So, I have figured out that I need to use a hair dryer to get good product results, at least to partially dry my hair. The good news is great curl formation. The bad news is - a lot of crunch. I dont mind a little because it keeps the hold in my curls. At this time I am using CK, and t his morning I tried it alone, no other gel. What do you LP curlies use to soften the crunch? I am considering trying a "jelly" or SM smoothie or souffle but I dont want oils - they sit on my hair.