Thanks Blaqpearl for responding.
I've tried conditionere w/honey, worked pretty good. Oils and good ole fashion grease.
I'm thinking like Law I'm going to go "Productless"...I got caught in the rain yesterday and sure enough my hair was looking like Sideshow Bob,
so I went home and cond-wash, rinse and started twisting with no products at all. Once I was done I put my twists on rods and went to bed. This morning I unfurled them and they look no worse than with products applied. I think I'm going to do this for a couple weeks and see how this goes....I think Law may be on to something.