KCCC for fine, lazy curls? (crossposted for 2 board)

Like Tree2Likes

Has anyone with fine 2c/3Aish hair had good luck with KCCC? I know people on the boards LOVE it, but virtually all of the reviews I have found were written by ladies with 3A+ and/or very coarse hair, neither of which I have...

My hair is relatively fine, very porous, with a lazy curl pattern-- My hair is probably what a lot of women on the boards call 3A, but I think it's truly 2b/2c because it does need some kind of product to spiral, and even then has little if any root curl. It has a tendency to fall flat and get weighed down, and does best with light but sticky, hard hold gels. I had mixed results with Jessicurl RR and CC (I got great coils, but my hair would collapse w/ the first gust of wind), and I've had the best results so far with BRHG. Based on this info, anyone have thoughts on whether KCCC would work for me?
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
I am curious about this as well. I've experience similar to you with JC. I want to try KCCC but worry it's going to weigh me down. Looking forward to others' responses!
******************************
Mod CG since January 2010
2b/c in winter; mostly 3a in summer; working toward 3a all year-round
Fine - Dense - Fairly porous
Cowash & Leave in: Co-wash with TJs Tea-Tree Tingle cond. , Suave Naturals, TJ Nourish
Styling products in rotation: AG Re:coil, K-Y liquid; FSG, epsom salt & lavender curl-revitalizer;
My guess would be it would weigh you down. It weighs mine down and I'd say I'm more medium these days than fine even (I got KCCC when it was thicker/coarser... *sob* I miss my thick hair!).

It might work if you use it VERY sparingly. And I mean, really really sparingly. Mix it in with some gel you know works well for you (half and half or maybe even 1/4 KCCC and 3/4 regular gel).

For me, KCCC establishes the clumps (and KIND of encourages the curl, but it's 50/50... it weighs the curls down and decreases volume, but encourages a spiral. Very weird) and holds them together, but does NOT encourage volume in the slightest. So it kind of depends on what you're looking for.
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
My guess would be it would weigh you down. It weighs mine down and I'd say I'm more medium these days than fine even (I got KCCC when it was thicker/coarser... *sob* I miss my thick hair!).

It might work if you use it VERY sparingly. And I mean, really really sparingly. Mix it in with some gel you know works well for you (half and half or maybe even 1/4 KCCC and 3/4 regular gel).

For me, KCCC establishes the clumps (and KIND of encourages the curl, but it's 50/50... it weighs the curls down and decreases volume, but encourages a spiral. Very weird) and holds them together, but does NOT encourage volume in the slightest. So it kind of depends on what you're looking for.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Do you have any recommendations for a styling product or combo (ideally no more than 2 products) that would be a better fit for hair like mine?
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
I have had excellent results with KCCC. It is my favorite product for clumpy curl enhancement. Although I claim 3a in my signature, I was a 2c wavy when I started this and the main thing that brought me to a 3 was KCCC.

I don't find it weighs me down at all. If anything I get shrinkage as my curls are springier, more corkscrewy and less S shaped curls. I think it needs to be used sparingly to get best results. And to get the best curl promotion you should scrunch it in rather than rake it. I just stick my finger in the jar and take out a small bit and scrunch upside down. Then I repeat the process left and right and I sometimes will do it upside down one more time. I also layer a good hold gel on top, also scrunched in, my favorite being HETT but I have also used LALSG with good results. It is uber clump promoting as well.

Everyone has different results but I am in love with this product. I was very skeptical to try because of the name and I am no where near kinky curly and also because it says that it elongates curls, which was not what I wanted.

The other 2 products I have used for curl promotion are homemade FSG, which is super cheap and easy to make and really works great. Also pink boots is good but harder to get. FSG is better on me for ringlet curls. I get less clumps but more curls when I use it, so its a different looking alternative that I do sometimes. Boots on me is softer and more volumizing but I am still experimenting with it.

Good luck!
3A - Medium Texture - Normal Porosity - Modified CG since 3/2010
Devacurl NoPoo - Devacurl OneC - Devacurl B'Leave In
KCCC - LALCG - Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz
I have had excellent results with KCCC. It is my favorite product for clumpy curl enhancement. Although I claim 3a in my signature, I was a 2c wavy when I started this and the main thing that brought me to a 3 was KCCC.

I don't find it weighs me down at all. If anything I get shrinkage as my curls are springier, more corkscrewy and less S shaped curls. I think it needs to be used sparingly to get best results. And to get the best curl promotion you should scrunch it in rather than rake it. I just stick my finger in the jar and take out a small bit and scrunch upside down. Then I repeat the process left and right and I sometimes will do it upside down one more time. I also layer a good hold gel on top, also scrunched in, my favorite being HETT but I have also used LALSG with good results. It is uber clump promoting as well.

Everyone has different results but I am in love with this product. I was very skeptical to try because of the name and I am no where near kinky curly and also because it says that it elongates curls, which was not what I wanted.

The other 2 products I have used for curl promotion are homemade FSG, which is super cheap and easy to make and really works great. Also pink boots is good but harder to get. FSG is better on me for ringlet curls. I get less clumps but more curls when I use it, so its a different looking alternative that I do sometimes. Boots on me is softer and more volumizing but I am still experimenting with it.

Good luck!
Originally Posted by Gina729
Thanks for the info. I was also thinking of trying to make a FSG (I'm trying to move towards using all natural products), but it is so overwhelming to read through the gazillions of posts with different recipes. Which is your favorite?
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
It's a lot simpler than it seems:

1/4 flax seeds, 1 cup water, bring to a boil in a medium sized saucepan. As soon as it starts to look a little gel like, strain (while very hot). If it doesn't all strain through, thats ok. I throw whatever is left in my strainer back into the pot, add another cup of water and repeat the process. I get a good 7-8 ounces of gel out of this. I then mix in my additives with a wire whisk: about 8 drops of Lavender EO, tsp. honey, tsp. AVG.

The second time I just leave it on the strainer until as much as possible strains through and I sometimes shake it down a bit. It doesn't get thick like typical gel as you know it but more like the consistency of egg whites.

I always set up everything I need before I start because it gets done really quick and you don't have time to start looking for a strainer. I use a metal mesh strainer that I got in my supermarket on top of a pyrex measuring cup (because it has a pour spout and its easy to pour the strained mixture into the bottles after, as well as measure how much I made). I bought 2 small 4oz. bottles in Sallys and I pour the mixture into them. One I put in the freezer for later use. The other I put in the fridge overnight for use the next morning. After that I keep it in my bathroom for convenience. It lasts longer if you keep it in the fridge, but I can't be bothered as my fridge is on the opposite end of the house from my bathroom.
Wavyshibby likes this.
3A - Medium Texture - Normal Porosity - Modified CG since 3/2010
Devacurl NoPoo - Devacurl OneC - Devacurl B'Leave In
KCCC - LALCG - Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz
Thanks-- might try it today!
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
My hair is fine, but low porosity. I started out with winter wavy/summer 3a hair--it looks like my signature picture every day. KCCC was fine for my hair--the first time I used it, I had the most incredible hair up until that point. I don't use it anymore, as I've just found products that I like a lot better.

My hair prefers the more natural products and natural soap bars for cleansing. As a result of what I've learned here, my curl pattern has gotten strong enough that I don't use gel most of the time. Most of my favorite products are listed in my signature picture. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. In the summer, I use a leave in OR curl enhancer with a jelly type product. In the winter, I use a leave in AND curl enhancer with a jelly type product. When the dewpoints are really high, I add a serum. I do frequent protein treatments, too.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I have had excellent results with KCCC. It is my favorite product for clumpy curl enhancement. Although I claim 3a in my signature, I was a 2c wavy when I started this and the main thing that brought me to a 3 was KCCC.

I don't find it weighs me down at all. If anything I get shrinkage as my curls are springier, more corkscrewy and less S shaped curls. I think it needs to be used sparingly to get best results. And to get the best curl promotion you should scrunch it in rather than rake it. I just stick my finger in the jar and take out a small bit and scrunch upside down. Then I repeat the process left and right and I sometimes will do it upside down one more time. I also layer a good hold gel on top, also scrunched in, my favorite being HETT but I have also used LALSG with good results. It is uber clump promoting as well.

Everyone has different results but I am in love with this product. I was very skeptical to try because of the name and I am no where near kinky curly and also because it says that it elongates curls, which was not what I wanted.

Good luck!
Originally Posted by Gina729
How wet is your hair when you apply the KCCC? Do you difffuse or plop or anything like that?

I broke down and bought it the other day and so far am having blah results, although I know that there is a learning curve. Yesterday, I applied it to soaking wet hair and didn't use any other products with it, and it seemed to really weigh me down and just seemed too moisturizing. Today, I applied only a touch to soaking wet hair, plopped, and then scrunched in a bit more when my hair was about half dry (this is the method I've had the most success with with other gels). It didn't seem like enough hold, so I scrunched in some LALSG on top and it seems better than yesterday, but still nothing special. We'll see....
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)

How wet is your hair when you apply the KCCC? Do you difffuse or plop or anything like that?

I broke down and bought it the other day and so far am having blah results, although I know that there is a learning curve. Yesterday, I applied it to soaking wet hair and didn't use any other products with it, and it seemed to really weigh me down and just seemed too moisturizing. Today, I applied only a touch to soaking wet hair, plopped, and then scrunched in a bit more when my hair was about half dry (this is the method I've had the most success with with other gels). It didn't seem like enough hold, so I scrunched in some LALSG on top and it seems better than yesterday, but still nothing special. We'll see....
Originally Posted by Sbudsky
I have good luck with with KCCC when I scrunch it into damp hair using the mysteryflavored method ( Kinky-Curly styling video ). I scrunch most of the excess water out with a thick cotton t-shirt and then apply. Today I used it with CIAB on top and it worked fabulously.
2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
Have you tried Aloe? You said your hair loves BRHG (which mine hates)... and my hate cannot STAND aloe in wet hair so it might be perfect for you :P

It's a lighter hold, and less sticky, if applied in wet hair. On dry hair, its a LOT harder and extremely curl enhancing on mine.
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
I do apply the KCCC to soaking wet hair. I actually put it in while still in the shower. I then plop for like 5 minutes just to get the soaking wet out. I then add HETT on top, scrunch with a microfiber towel to get it a little dryer and then I diffuse. I always diffuse, which for me helps with curl enhancement also. I use a bowl diffuser and on low blower and medium heat. With the bowl facing up towards the ceiling I use it to lift up my hair to my scalp and leave it there for like a minute. I repeat all over the head. This kinda helps form the curl. With KCCC and HETT it should get pretty crunchy. I then let it air dry the rest of the way and then SOTC. I usually put some JCNS on top (just a bit) for some shine.

But KCCC isn't for everyone. I love it, but many don't. I find less is more with this product so only a bit goes far on me.

Did you make the FSG? That may be better for you.
3A - Medium Texture - Normal Porosity - Modified CG since 3/2010
Devacurl NoPoo - Devacurl OneC - Devacurl B'Leave In
KCCC - LALCG - Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz
Interestingly enough, I had a lot more success today using KCCC to get second day hair. I'd used BRHG yesterday, so I just wet my hair with a pray bottle and scrunched in a little KCCC. The KCCC got a little crunchy after I applied it, which I actually consider to be a good thing because crunch means I'm going to get the hold I need. For the first part of the day, my hair was as curly as I've seen it get (although it did fuzz out by the end of the day).

I'm wondering if my naked hair is so porous that it was absorbing too much of the KCCC initially, and that's what was weighing it down. Maybe I need to find a product to use to coat my hair a bit before I apply the KCCC. I thought of using a leave-in, but I imagine that would weigh me down even more. Any suggestions?

I haven't put aloe in my hair yet, but I made Gina729's FSG recipe the other day and mixed in some aloe. I'm planning to give it a try tomorrow.
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
Interestingly enough, I had a lot more success today using KCCC to get second day hair. I'd used BRHG yesterday, so I just wet my hair with a pray bottle and scrunched in a little KCCC. The KCCC got a little crunchy after I applied it, which I actually consider to be a good thing because crunch means I'm going to get the hold I need. For the first part of the day, my hair was as curly as I've seen it get (although it did fuzz out by the end of the day).

I'm wondering if my naked hair is so porous that it was absorbing too much of the KCCC initially, and that's what was weighing it down. Maybe I need to find a product to use to coat my hair a bit before I apply the KCCC. I thought of using a leave-in, but I imagine that would weigh me down even more. Any suggestions?

I haven't put aloe in my hair yet, but I made Gina729's FSG recipe the other day and mixed in some aloe. I'm planning to give it a try tomorrow.
Originally Posted by Sbudsky
Your hair sounds very similar to mine based upon your description. I use KCCC on my fine hair with good results. I follow the directions for wavy/loose curls on the container. Don't apply to soaking wet hair but scrunch the water out with your microfiber towel and then scrunch in your KCCC. Use the clips at the roots for some lift. Let it dry until about 80% and then flip your head over and diffuse. This adds more volume. Nothing brings out my curls like KCCC even though it is not really made for my hair type. Maybe this will work for you as well.
Funny, I started using the KCCC again. I REALLY like the Tiny Twists Moisturizing Styler, so I thought I'd give this another go. I use a small amount of a rich leave in to "seal" my hair, then combine the KCCC with some other jelly product to "dilute" it a little bit. I only put products on soaking wet hair, so I don't know about scrunching out some water. So far, I like it--but not better then some of my other jellies. It's just good to have another product in the rotation.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I'd abandoned KCCC a while back because it was leaving me OC'd, but I have used it a few time lately with decent results. I think it's too heavy to use daily on my fine hair, but it's a good option when my hair feels dry (after a PT, for example).
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
Well, I'm not exactly a 3a, but I have the same fineness and a weak curl pattern. Me and KCCC have a really erratic relationship. I like it, because it is the one product that keeps my hair super moisturized, soft, and free of buildup, but then again, I either get stunning or vomit-worthy results from it.
WurlyLox likes this.
3b! CG since February '11
Cleanse: Giovanni 50:50 'poo, Deva No-Poo, TJNS for co-wash
Condition: TN, YTCarrots, AOHR
Style: F/X curl booster, FOTE AVG, KCCC!, BRHG on top of EVERYTHING

Avoid glycerin and protein like the plague!
My hair prefers the more natural products and natural soap bars for cleansing. As a result of what I've learned here, my curl pattern has gotten strong enough that I don't use gel most of the time. Most of my favorite products are listed in my signature picture. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. In the summer, I use a leave in OR curl enhancer with a jelly type product. In the winter, I use a leave in AND curl enhancer with a jelly type product. When the dewpoints are really high, I add a serum. I do frequent protein treatments, too.
Originally Posted by kathymack
kathymack, can you give me some info about soap bars? I was looking into CV Shampoo bars. How do they work for you? Do you do the ACV rinse with it?
Hair: 3a, normal porosity and elasticity
My hair loves: Vatika and Bhringraj oils, adores henna.
My HGs: Bobeam's shampoo bars, CJAO, CJRM, Original Moxie's Hair Bling, Terressentials,

Let's hear it for beautiful curls!!!
My hair prefers the more natural products and natural soap bars for cleansing. As a result of what I've learned here, my curl pattern has gotten strong enough that I don't use gel most of the time. Most of my favorite products are listed in my signature picture. I wet, use a rinse out and style every day. In the summer, I use a leave in OR curl enhancer with a jelly type product. In the winter, I use a leave in AND curl enhancer with a jelly type product. When the dewpoints are really high, I add a serum. I do frequent protein treatments, too.
Originally Posted by kathymack
kathymack, can you give me some info about soap bars? I was looking into CV Shampoo bars. How do they work for you? Do you do the ACV rinse with it?
Originally Posted by Rusycurly
I only used the CV bars once--which was one time too many for me. If it had been the first bar I used, I would have never used another soap/shampoo bar! I'm pretty sure it was the castor oil. Until recently, I did do an ACV rinse after the soap bars. I stopped doing them because I feel that my products are the right pH to restore the balance.

If it's of more interest, pm me.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com