3c Twistout FAIL

Has anyone with 3C/4A hair ever had a successful twist out?

Let me explain:

Twists out have failed for my hair so far because...

A) The shrinkage in my hair doesn't allow much stretching even with twist outs

B) I've tried several products. I did Kimmaytube's twist out instructions (aloe vera, deep conditioner)

C) My ends UNTWIST or unravel with curly fine hair because a lot of product is the same as putting water on my hair..it slips and does not hold. A couple of drops of product on my hair won't hold the twist ends sometimes

I'm pretty sure there has to be someone who has done well with twist outs.

I'm 8 months natural, so maybe it's the LENGTH that won't allow twist outs to be flattering on me? My hair is so short and TIGHT.

I see many people love Miss Jessie's curling pudding. Some say it has mineral oil in it and not worth the price and some see it as their treasure product. What ya'll think?

What products do you use for twist outs?
I have no advice, but to say that I feel ya.. twistouts never work for me either. I stick to wng's because I gave up on twist/braidouts after multiple failures.
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I'm in the same boat but for different reasons. I lose my curl pattern when I do twist-outs and so my hair becomes wavyish more than curly. It doesn't look bad necessarily, but its not the look I'd like. I also don't like it because it dries out and I can't moisturize it or it looks even weirder. Braid-outs tend to look a little better for me but still dry.

I still like twists but I just leave the twists in instead of doing a twist-out.
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I have no advice, but to say that I feel ya.. twistouts never work for me either. I stick to wng's because I gave up on twist/braidouts after multiple failures.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
LOL "multiple failures." It can be frustrating!

I'm glad I'm not alone lol. I really wanted it to work for convenience through out the week for work and at night
I'm in the same boat but for different reasons. I lose my curl pattern when I do twist-outs and so my hair becomes wavyish more than curly. It doesn't look bad necessarily, but its not the look I'd like. I also don't like it because it dries out and I can't moisturize it or it looks even weirder. Braid-outs tend to look a little better for me but still dry.

I still like twists but I just leave the twists in instead of doing a twist-out.
Originally Posted by curlyclo89
EXACTLY...after twist outs, I tend to lose my curl pattern. My hair looks better after a co-wash or deep conditioner and water than it does after a twist out
Have you tried doing your twists on dry hair?

I use to have the same problem when I twisted on wet hair. My hair would come out. Shrinkage. Now I twist my hair when it is dry. I co-wash or clarify. I do not use leave-in but you can. Then, I do one of two things: 1. Blow dry my hair using the cool or warm setting while combing the curls out. Or 2. Let my hair air dry and periodically finger comb my hair. Then I proceed to twist my hair using a small dab of the product of my choice. I put the product on each small section right before I twist it. Don't get me wrong, the finer strands around my hairline will have to be re-twisted at some point. But overall, it holds up a lot better than what it does when I twist on wet hair.

To prevent shrinkage when I am sleeping, I use the wrap method that I found on youtube. Wrapping and pinning my twists around my head. Just like I use to wrap my hair when it was relaxed.

I am trying to get up enough energy to twist my hair this weekend. So far, it is not looking to good.
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Co-wash: VO5 Tea Therapy
Rinse Out: Garnier Sleek 'n Shine (subject to change)
Styler: Long Aid Curl Activator

Dislikes: Proteins (except occasional Silk protein), Cones, Oils
Maybe try the Teri Laflesh wet set definition method once a week, and then band your dry hair the rest of the week.
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Henna (mo.) under steamer
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Granier Fructis Shampoo (mo. post henna)
Vo5 Vanilla Tea Rinsing Conditioner,
Jessicurl Too Shea, and Confident Coils (post WDT)
KCCC styler only on wet hair
Banding with silk scrunchies (nightly)
JBCO Sealer

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I do twist outs all the time and they come out pretty good and I still have some curl definition not as much as a wash an go but like elongated corkscrews. I still have shrinkage not as much as I do when I do a wash and go but but still there I figure that is a fact of life.

Here is what I do wash hair then when I have conditioner on I detangle with my denman brush and a comb then I rinse out all the conditioner usually in the shower so my hair is going in one direction. Then I blot or shake the water out of my hair so it is really damp just not dripping. Then I section off my hair with my fingers no more combs or brushes at this point. I add my products usually this is the QB olive and honey with anything for curl definition but it has to be creamy (I used to use Afroveda curl define now I am using DB curl cream stuff) and twist my whole head. Then I seal all my ends with a creamy product and oil or a butter...oh I do not twist to the end I leave about an inch at the bottom I kind of swirl them with them with my fingers into like an S shape. Ok now I think this is the trick after I am all done I guess I have about 18-20 twists when I am done I shake out my hair like I do with a wash and go and let them kind of shrivel for a bit. Usually I will leave it this way until I am ready for bed, before bed I will use the metal clips like you use when you set your hair and take the bottom and pin it in a C shape to my scalp (kind of like a pin curl). Put on my satin bonnet and go to bed. Get up and style it. When I style my hair I put oil in my hands first and I separate each section.

Gels do not work because it makes my hair hard and it takes out the natural curl. No brushes because it disturbs the curl patter to much and I get frizz and straight pieces. The clip thing I have no idea what it does maybe it helps with body not sure but it looks better when I do it than when I do not. Oh and for me conditioner with all the other products weigh down the curl so it ends up being wavy and straight.

I hope that helps!
Hair Type: 3c/4a/4b, fine, normal porosity

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Have you tried doing your twists on dry hair?

I use to have the same problem when I twisted on wet hair. My hair would come out. Shrinkage. Now I twist my hair when it is dry. I co-wash or clarify. I do not use leave-in but you can. Then, I do one of two things: 1. Blow dry my hair using the cool or warm setting while combing the curls out. Or 2. Let my hair air dry and periodically finger comb my hair. Then I proceed to twist my hair using a small dab of the product of my choice. I put the product on each small section right before I twist it. Don't get me wrong, the finer strands around my hairline will have to be re-twisted at some point. But overall, it holds up a lot better than what it does when I twist on wet hair.

To prevent shrinkage when I am sleeping, I use the wrap method that I found on youtube. Wrapping and pinning my twists around my head. Just like I use to wrap my hair when it was relaxed.

I am trying to get up enough energy to twist my hair this weekend. So far, it is not looking to good.
Originally Posted by teejay

Yep, I twist on either completely dry hair or damp hair.

The last time I did it completely dry and the product mix itself was so moist that it made my twist slip lol..It might as well been wet with water.

I love the Proud Family grandma avatar you got there
I do twist outs all the time and they come out pretty good and I still have some curl definition not as much as a wash an go but like elongated corkscrews. I still have shrinkage not as much as I do when I do a wash and go but but still there I figure that is a fact of life.

Here is what I do wash hair then when I have conditioner on I detangle with my denman brush and a comb then I rinse out all the conditioner usually in the shower so my hair is going in one direction. Then I blot or shake the water out of my hair so it is really damp just not dripping. Then I section off my hair with my fingers no more combs or brushes at this point. I add my products usually this is the QB olive and honey with anything for curl definition but it has to be creamy (I used to use Afroveda curl define now I am using DB curl cream stuff) and twist my whole head. Then I seal all my ends with a creamy product and oil or a butter...oh I do not twist to the end I leave about an inch at the bottom I kind of swirl them with them with my fingers into like an S shape. Ok now I think this is the trick after I am all done I guess I have about 18-20 twists when I am done I shake out my hair like I do with a wash and go and let them kind of shrivel for a bit. Usually I will leave it this way until I am ready for bed, before bed I will use the metal clips like you use when you set your hair and take the bottom and pin it in a C shape to my scalp (kind of like a pin curl). Put on my satin bonnet and go to bed. Get up and style it. When I style my hair I put oil in my hands first and I separate each section.

Gels do not work because it makes my hair hard and it takes out the natural curl. No brushes because it disturbs the curl patter to much and I get frizz and straight pieces. The clip thing I have no idea what it does maybe it helps with body not sure but it looks better when I do it than when I do not. Oh and for me conditioner with all the other products weigh down the curl so it ends up being wavy and straight.

I hope that helps!
Originally Posted by ajna
Thank you so much. That does help.

Where do you find the QB olive and honey?
I did some research..

Has anyone ever tried Mizani True Textures Moisture Stretch for twist outs?

Anyone ever try Qhemet Biologics Amla and Olive Heavy Cream for twists out?

I'm really looking into it
I have 3C hair towards the back of my head, and have the same problem. The following have worked for me:

Mixed Chicks Leave-in
Jessicurl Confident Curls
Curl Keeper

I use it after rinsing off the conditioner, and I do not use a leave-in or seal my ends. On the rest of my hair, I need a leave-in, but not in the 3C area. When I twist, using the products above, my 3C portion does come unraveled until about 5 days later.
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Pre-treat:various oils

Shampoo:
Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur Ultimate Oil Elixir
Clarifier:Malibu Hard Water Wellness Shampoo
PT: Gold Medal's Herbal Tame
DT:
Smooth Sexy Hair Sulfate-Free Smoothing Conditioner
LI/Detangler/
:Stylers: Lush Zeste Hair Gel, MJ Multicultural Curls

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I did some research..

Has anyone ever tried Mizani True Textures Moisture Stretch for twist outs?

Anyone ever try Qhemet Biologics Amla and Olive Heavy Cream for twists out?

I'm really looking into it
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
Never used it for twist outs I tend to use it for bunning my hair or on the ends when they get dry. A little of this stuff goes a long way, I also use the Qhemet Burdock Root cream which is a nice daily moisturizer.
Hair Type: 3c/4a/4b, fine, normal porosity

http://public.fotki.com/Ajnamhuja/
Have you tried doing your twists on dry hair?

I use to have the same problem when I twisted on wet hair. My hair would come out. Shrinkage. Now I twist my hair when it is dry. I co-wash or clarify. I do not use leave-in but you can. Then, I do one of two things: 1. Blow dry my hair using the cool or warm setting while combing the curls out. Or 2. Let my hair air dry and periodically finger comb my hair. Then I proceed to twist my hair using a small dab of the product of my choice. I put the product on each small section right before I twist it. Don't get me wrong, the finer strands around my hairline will have to be re-twisted at some point. But overall, it holds up a lot better than what it does when I twist on wet hair.

To prevent shrinkage when I am sleeping, I use the wrap method that I found on youtube. Wrapping and pinning my twists around my head. Just like I use to wrap my hair when it was relaxed.

I am trying to get up enough energy to twist my hair this weekend. So far, it is not looking to good.
Originally Posted by teejay

Yep, I twist on either completely dry hair or damp hair.

The last time I did it completely dry and the product mix itself was so moist that it made my twist slip lol..It might as well been wet with water.

I love the Proud Family grandma avatar you got there
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
How much product are you using? I cowash, pat out excess water. Then put a small amount of leave in conditioner in, probably a quarter size for each half of my head. I seal with castor or olive oil. Then I do a bunch of small twists. If I want more hold, I go over it with a little aloe vera gel. Sometimes for the second day, I retwist my dry hair in larger sections to get a looser look.
Have you tried doing your twists on dry hair?

I use to have the same problem when I twisted on wet hair. My hair would come out. Shrinkage. Now I twist my hair when it is dry. I co-wash or clarify. I do not use leave-in but you can. Then, I do one of two things: 1. Blow dry my hair using the cool or warm setting while combing the curls out. Or 2. Let my hair air dry and periodically finger comb my hair. Then I proceed to twist my hair using a small dab of the product of my choice. I put the product on each small section right before I twist it. Don't get me wrong, the finer strands around my hairline will have to be re-twisted at some point. But overall, it holds up a lot better than what it does when I twist on wet hair.

To prevent shrinkage when I am sleeping, I use the wrap method that I found on youtube. Wrapping and pinning my twists around my head. Just like I use to wrap my hair when it was relaxed.

I am trying to get up enough energy to twist my hair this weekend. So far, it is not looking to good.
Originally Posted by teejay

Yep, I twist on either completely dry hair or damp hair.

The last time I did it completely dry and the product mix itself was so moist that it made my twist slip lol..It might as well been wet with water.

I love the Proud Family grandma avatar you got there
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
Thank you! I am a gel user when I do a wng. However, when I twist, I use something creamer. I just use a tiny amount. Sorry, it's not working for you.
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BC 11/23/2008
Low porosity, Fine/Medium Texture, S-Curls

Co-wash: VO5 Tea Therapy
Rinse Out: Garnier Sleek 'n Shine (subject to change)
Styler: Long Aid Curl Activator

Dislikes: Proteins (except occasional Silk protein), Cones, Oils

Last edited by teejay; 12-12-2010 at 07:09 AM. Reason: removed a word
I did some research..

Has anyone ever tried Mizani True Textures Moisture Stretch for twist outs?

Anyone ever try Qhemet Biologics Amla and Olive Heavy Cream for twists out?

I'm really looking into it
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
Never used it for twist outs I tend to use it for bunning my hair or on the ends when they get dry. A little of this stuff goes a long way, I also use the Qhemet Burdock Root cream which is a nice daily moisturizer.
Originally Posted by ajna
Cool. I wanna check it out. Thanks
Thanks errbody...maybe it's a matter of that awkward length stage where you almost have more hair to style but because of shrinkage, stretching isn't as desired or obvious lol

I'll test it out some more with different products. If that won't work, for the winter I might just twist or braid my whole head and throw on a wig aka "cap" and take a little break.

LOL I'm not playing
Has anyone with 3C/4A hair ever had a successful twist out?

Let me explain:

Twists out have failed for my hair so far because...

A) The shrinkage in my hair doesn't allow much stretching even with twist outs

B) I've tried several products. I did Kimmaytube's twist out instructions (aloe vera, deep conditioner)

C) My ends UNTWIST or unravel with curly fine hair because a lot of product is the same as putting water on my hair..it slips and does not hold. A couple of drops of product on my hair won't hold the twist ends sometimes

I'm pretty sure there has to be someone who has done well with twist outs.

I'm 8 months natural, so maybe it's the LENGTH that won't allow twist outs to be flattering on me? My hair is so short and TIGHT.

I see many people love Miss Jessie's curling pudding. Some say it has mineral oil in it and not worth the price and some see it as their treasure product. What ya'll think?

What products do you use for twist outs?
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
I wet my hair and then use these goody (I think) hair ties for fine hair, and pretty much make little pony tails on each section I'm going to twist. I then twist the section with shea moisture (the smoothie or hair milk) and gel, and then I fasten a satin sponge roller on the end (to hold the ends together). It works for me, but it untwists a little bit, but not enough for it to come out bad. You can't even tell that I put ponytail holders on the sections, it blends in.
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Thanks errbody...maybe it's a matter of that awkward length stage where you almost have more hair to style but because of shrinkage, stretching isn't as desired or obvious lol

I'll test it out some more with different products. If that won't work, for the winter I might just twist or braid my whole head and throw on a wig aka "cap" and take a little break.

LOL I'm not playing
Originally Posted by natural_dancer86
I am not mad I have a very cute half wig that looks kinda like my hair when I do he bantu knots I will throw it on in a minute :-)

Good luck half the battle with all hair I think is figuring out what works for you.
Hair Type: 3c/4a/4b, fine, normal porosity

http://public.fotki.com/Ajnamhuja/
[quote=m_cruz2007;1543349I wet my hair and then use these goody (I think) hair ties for fine hair, and pretty much make little pony tails on each section I'm going to twist. I then twist the section with shea moisture (the smoothie or hair milk) and gel, and then I fasten a satin sponge roller on the end (to hold the ends together). It works for me, but it untwists a little bit, but not enough for it to come out bad. You can't even tell that I put ponytail holders on the sections, it blends in.[/quote]

THANK YOU I just discovered trying to use ouchless bands to put my hair in pony tails to section my hair for detangling and conditioning.

Thanks so much...I really enjoy shea moisture too. I'l try this.

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