Thinking of giving up CG method

I've been doing the CG method since november and well, it was working great for a couple months but now my hair is worse than its ever been!! usually its only dry on the ends, but now its dry and strawlike on my entire head! I've tried a couple different conditioners and they don't seem to be working at all. I have also been doing home treatments weekly bit these have not worked either. My hair is glycerin sensitive. And there just doesn't seem to be hardly any conditioners that are silicone and glycerin free but aren't crazy expensive. My hair also gets tired of products quickly, they will work for about half of the bottle and then my hair will get used to it and it will stop producing the same results I had at the beginning so then I have to start the search for a new product.. its so frustrating. I just don't know what to do or what products to use. I might just go back to silicones at least my hair looked and felt better then...any advice, much appeciated
Exactly what "home treatments" have you been doing? If those are protein treatments then that is most likely your problem.

Go back to basics. Condition daily and let air dry. Perhaps you were focusing more on oil regiment and you slacked on your moisturizing regiment.

Take a month off from oils and off from proteins and only focus on moisture again.


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I wasn't using any proteins i don't think. I was using the tressemme naturals for my co wash which was AMAZING at first but then stopped working then i was using the SheaMoisture Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk as a leave in then devacurl Arc Angel as a gel, and air dry. Then for a weekly treatment i use the SheaMoisture Raw Shea Butter Deep Treatment Masque with a little EVOO mixed in as a deep treatment.
Seems like something is not letting the moisture penetrate. Layoff on the butters and see if things reverse back. You might need to use a sulfate shampoo to clarify then only stick to your moisturizing conditioner even use a little as a light leave-in for a week with a protective up-do style like a bun lol. I'm a guy so we're kinda harsh anyhow but I think I said it right with "protective bun style".


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The above product you mention does have protein and it's one of the first ingredients.
My siggy products don't have protein except Suave naturals coconut conditioner.

I do believe you have protein overload also.

+1 Princeton.
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Seems like something is not letting the moisture penetrate. Layoff on the butters and see if things reverse back. You might need to use a sulfate shampoo to clarify then only stick to your moisturizing conditioner even use a little as a light leave-in for a week with a protective up-do style like a bun lol. I'm a guy so we're kinda harsh anyhow but I think I said it right with "protective bun style".
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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
I have highly porous hair and have read that has something to do with hairs ability to stay/ become moisturized correct? also what products do you recommend that are protein free and extremely moisturizing? (thanks!)


The above product you mention does have protein and it's one of the first ingredients.
My siggy products don't have protein except Suave naturals coconut conditioner.

I do believe you have protein overload also.

+1 Princeton.
Originally Posted by Goin'Grey
Protein overload is fixable right? (still kinda new to all this thank you for your patience) how do i fix it? I have tried the Suave coconut and it has glycerin in it which dried my hair out so much!

Last edited by curlycassie; 05-25-2011 at 02:54 PM.
Believe me I'm new too. Just last year I was skin bald head but kept reading this forum when my hair grew long and I'm just trying what I read.

The thing to remember is each person is different. Now that you know how that suave treats you then you can determine if it has any beneficial use and decide on a followup regiment to add moisture back after using it.

For instance I heard about protein treatments and tried it one day only to get dry and course hair a couple days later. I determined that the protein has it's specific benefits so I should not talk bad about it but come up with the solution for doing something to combat it's bad effects. Now I tell everyone to ALWAYS follow up with a deep moisturizing conditioner.

You might need to try some organic or all natural things. Some people have to make their own products as to avoid the unnecessary additive chemicals that companies put into commercial products. It's quite normal if you need to investigate if that is what might work for you.

Also try the longhaircommunity.com forum where most of the people do things like lemon and vinegar rinses or other natural things.


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+1 on all of the above. Sounds like protein overload. And Princeton is correct: most people need to do a DT after a heavy duty PT. I'm also a fan of using as many natural products/substances as possible. Since your hair is already feeling dry, rather than using a sulfate shampoo you might try a vinegar or citric acid rinse. If your hair is very coated it might not clarify it all in one go, but you could repeat it over the course of a few days if necessary. Spread it out, because it can be drying. I wouldn't think you'd need to do it more than 3 times (and possibly less). Check out the natural hair care section here for ideas and recipes for products you can make yourself using natural ingredients. I've learned tons there!

Don't give up. Going CG (even modified) can be tough, and it takes a lot of experimentation. If you're like most of us, your hair's been alternately stripped with detergents and suffocated with silicones. It hasn't had a happy life. As another NC.com poster described it, using silicones on curly hair "turns it into a plastic-coated nightmare". Try to be patient, keep reading and trying different things, and keep posting - the NC.com community is a great resource, and we've all struggled with our hair. We feel your pain!
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Thank you all for your advice. I guess i will look into maybe trying to make my own products seeing as how it is so hard for me to find ones with my specific ingredient list. I will also keep reading and check out the long hair community site as well.

Sounds like protein build up to me.

You can try clarifying with a CG friendly clarifying low poo to get the gunk out (I use KC Come Clean b/c it's protein free) and then moisturize, moisturize, moisturize! A great protein free RO (especially if you're highly porous) is the GVP (SAlly's) Conditioning Balm. It's also great to use as a DT by mixing in your own ingredients like evoo, honey, etc.

I fried my hair on protein (looked like Pippi Longstockings!) but after clarifying, cutting out all protein, and many DTs, things come back around after a few weeks. Hang in there.
I agree with everyone on here...It sounds like a protein overload. SheaMoisture is full of protein, and glycerin generally doesn't do well on protein sensitive hair. Anything with honey, avacado, olive oils should be good. I'm having good luck with CD Hair Milk Curl Definer. Also, I LOVE Kinky Curly Knot Today and the Curling Custard, when my hair gets a little longer I will go back to using those. Also, you know, sometimes you just need to shampoo. I used to follow CG to the letter, and my hair just didn't like it. I shampoo twice a week and things are much better now. Especially if your hair is really heavy and thick, it just needs it. You sweat, it gets hot and stinky and all that stuff. I say, just shampoo when you feel it needs it. I hope this helps. Let us know how it goes!
Back on the wagon...kind of.

-Organix Pomegranate Green Tea shampoo when I feel I need iit.

-Co-wash Suave Naturals Coconut

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KCCC, KCKT, CD Hair Milk Curl Definer, ECO Styler
I think you all are right as well about the protein overload, i don't usually get split ends (unless i use heat which i haven't in over a year) and all of a sudden i have split ends like crazy . I will keep looking but am having an EXTREMELY hard time finding silicone AND glycerin free hair products that don't cost a ton of money. I will go get some of that GVP conditioning stuff, as well as get rid of all of my shea moisture products
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I think you all are right as well about the protein overload, i don't usually get split ends (unless i use heat which i haven't in over a year) and all of a sudden i have split ends like crazy . I will keep looking but am having an EXTREMELY hard time finding silicone AND glycerin free hair products that don't cost a ton of money. I will go get some of that GVP conditioning stuff, as well as get rid of all of my shea moisture products
Originally Posted by curlycassie
This is my problem as well. I don't have the time, money, nor patience to try and try and try different products, have them NOT work, and end up with a cabinet full of useless, wasted products.

I'm back to using some of the 'cone-filled products that have been gathering dust in my cabinets because I simply don't have money right now to keep trying new stuff. The only GOOD thing about some of them is that they were cheap enough to write off as a loss (LA Looks Gels and Ecostyler gels, for example)

I suspect that I have protein sensitivity issues now, which will NOT make things any easier.

I'm at the point now where if I can't find it in Walmart/Walgreens/Sally's......I'm not buying it, period. Whole Foods and Trader Joes are a long way from my house and if I went there, I'd be wasting a ton of gas just for hair products.

I wish they WOULD come out with a GVP brand of Paul Mitchell Foaming Pommade because that product worked THE best on my hair

EXTREMELY frustrating and I definitely feel your pain.

ETA: Just looked up PM Foaming Pommade's ingredients and it contains (gasp!) mineral oil, petroleum, AND a 'cone!!! This stuff gives me movie-star hair, seriously. I might break down and just buy a bottle for the sheer fact that I don't have to use ANYTHING else for daily styling--nothing. Perfect example of how people should just do what works for THEIR HAIR...I used to use this stuff every day without any ill effects whatsoever.

Last edited by sinistral55; 06-13-2011 at 01:25 PM.
Sounds like protein build up to me.

You can try clarifying with a CG friendly clarifying low poo to get the gunk out (I use KC Come Clean b/c it's protein free) and then moisturize, moisturize, moisturize! A great protein free RO (especially if you're highly porous) is the GVP (SAlly's) Conditioning Balm. It's also great to use as a DT by mixing in your own ingredients like evoo, honey, etc.

I fried my hair on protein (looked like Pippi Longstockings!) but after clarifying, cutting out all protein, and many DTs, things come back around after a few weeks. Hang in there.
Originally Posted by queenofdisks80
picked up the bottle of the GVP conditioning balm had my hairdresser use it for a deep treatment and it helped a lot i've been using it as a leave in as well seems to be helping my hair back to normality , now i just hope my hair doesn't get used to it within a week and go back to dry yuckiness again like every other product
I am new to this forum, but I have 3b hair and my sister is a hair dresser. It does sound like a protein problem.

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