Clumps don't hold the shape! any advises, product recommendations? Overconditioning?

i ladies!
Finally I figured out, how to
create well looking clumps. I co
wash with Icequeen method,
than apply products, twirl my
hair around a finger to provide
clumps, plop, diffuse with pixie
curls method and here they are.
My beloved soft clumps. I do
the whole routine upside down in
order to provide a little more
volume than usual. The problem
is, my clumps can only hold the
form unless I leave the home.
And they are just flying around
outside turning into a mess. My
hair is thin, with 3a curls and
don't have much of it. I'm using
garnier mousse and gel as
styling products. I also live in an
area with very soft water what
additionally makes it difficult
to hold the shape properly. I
was toying with the idea of
being overconditioned, but as I
mentioned before, my hair has
wonderful shape until I leave
the home. IF I use less leave in
or conditioner, it feels really
rough and dry. Certainly I'm
still pretty new to cg and how
to experiment with different
techniques, so maybe you could
point me, how my routine can be
fixed. I have a possibility to
order some stuff from
britishcurls, so I'm also thinking
about trying new products.
Could you recommend something
for my hair type. I would really
appreciate your
recommendation, because the
stuff is not easy to get and
fairly pricey.
Thanks a lot in advance and
have a nice day!
ETA: I think I'm overconditioned yet. I will try a PT tonight. Despite this fact maybe some recommendations for styling products? your help is appreciated as well.
"Take care to get what you like or you will be forced to like what you get" George Bernard Shaw
Ive gotten good results cowashing with Wen sweet almond conditioning shampoo, and adding KCCC and AG Recoil to 3 inch clumps of curls while wet. It was perfect but a tad too crunchy at the ends yesterday, so next Im going to try putting in more conditioner or some of the Organix Brazilian Keratin Serum (this probably has silicones, but this is just something I had good results with in the past), and a little less of the Curling Custard and Ag Recoil to see if I can keep my clumps with less crunch.

I got a pretty good outcome with second day hair by using waterlily's method of braiding hair into two side braids, tying them together, and sleeping in a satin sleep cap. It seems to make my curls clumpy and nice in the morning. Good luck, let me know what you come up with.

By the way, I have 3a hair that is not course, but I have a TON of it (most stylists say I have more hair than anyone they've ever seen), and it is on the dry/frizzy/flyaway side. As thick as it is, and long as it is, it doesnt have a lot of weight to it, so it doesnt really "hang" down the way I like it to unless I use a lot of product. It wasnt until I found this site a couple weeks ago that I am FINALLY getting hair that I can wear down without straightening, although Im still perfecting my technique/product preference though.
I have this problem also, so I'm bumping this thread and hoping for some more suggestions. I can get good clumps but it turns into total undefined poof in these high dews. I was thinking of trying sealing? or maybe buying a harder gel than KCCC. Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee is supposed to be the strongest.

Please give us your input!
2/c and some 3A.
Protein sensitive but can use occasionally
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
I definitely recommend the "sealing." I use a lot of the Marie Dean styling products for this. My hair also likes tons of protein. I think that tightens/strengthens the curl and reduces frizz. My hair doesn't like the chemicals in gels (polyquats in particular), so I just use jelly products. My hair is shorter; however, no issues with loosing clumps.

Another possibility is a good haircut with lots of layers. A must this time of the year.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
Kathymack, Thanks! I have a great haircut and I agree, protein helps a lot. I'm going to try one of the samples I got from you which is a Marie Dean product and perhaps get a few more. Maybe the polyquats are bothering me also.

I'm grateful that you offer the service of providing the samples!

ETA: what do polyquats do to you?
2/c and some 3A.
Protein sensitive but can use occasionally
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Kathymack, Thanks! I have a great haircut and I agree, protein helps a lot. I'm going to try one of the samples I got from you which is a Marie Dean product and perhaps get a few more. Maybe the polyquats are bothering me also.

I'm grateful that you offer the service of providing the samples!

ETA: what do polyquats do to you?
Originally Posted by curlypearl
Gels have always caused frizz for me, so I've stayed away from them and only used jelly products (try to avoid chemicals.) We had a very wet Spring, so I tried using a few gel products that contained polyquats 4 and 10 to see if that helped in the HIGH dewpoints. Found that I had buildup--frizz even when my hair was soaking wet out of the shower. Did a lowpoo, stopped using products with polyquat 4 and/or 10 (actually most polyquats, noticed CJ Curl Fix has 11. I only use it once a week and haven't noticed a problem--but I use Daily Fix every two weeks, or so. That's the only one I've used since I discovered my polyquat issue.)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
Thanks, KM! Helpful - I haven't considered the polyquat issue before.
2/c and some 3A.
Protein sensitive but can use occasionally
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift

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