Curl Typing Wet Hair?

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First, to (hopefully) avoid angering someone, I believe everyone should do whatever it takes to figure out what products and styles will work on her or his particular hair, and that Andre's system is just one way of typing hair and isn't without flaws. That said:

Do you think it's accurate to judge what hair type you have while your hair is wet (w/Andre system)? I noticed a trend on Youtube where a lot of people who have pretty obvious "4" type hair (of ANY ethnicity) soak it down then call it 3a, 3b or 3c hair. Maybe that really is another "legitimate" way to type that works out just as well? If you do that, does it work out for you? Would love your opinion. Thanks.

Last edited by Korkscrew; 09-12-2011 at 06:22 PM.
I don't think that whether you hair is wet or dry determines hair type. My curl pattern is the same, wet or dry. I believe that you may be revering to the thickness or coarseness of the hair. Remember that someone could have coarse 3c hair that looks different than that of a fine 3c. The hair typing chart refers only yo curl pattern.
Hmm ... I can see what you mean, since your hair is about the same curl pattern wet as dry. Mine is completely different LOL When dry it's (I think) 3b with some 3c. When wet it's ... straight ... Then it curls up gradually again when less saturated, especially as I run fingers or comb through it.
3b/c?

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My hair is curly when it's wet and weighted. It shrinks to about half the length when it's dry. It looks quite different when wet and detangled vs dried. Depending on how I style it I can change the size of my curls, but they are no bigger than a straw when finger styled.

Anyway, I'm curious as to why you care how someone types their hair. I don't see many videos like that on you tube. (I do see people trying to push type 4s into the 3 category when their hair is long, or 3s labeling it as 4-something). That's part of reason I don't read the comments as much anymore.

Many type fours do look different while wet. The 4a forum is quite active, did you not post this there so as to avoid stirring anything? Just wondering.
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Sounds like you have the kind of hair I'm jealous of. First, it sounds like your curls offer a lot of versatility (You can manipulate the size; I can't do that so much ... ). Plus, I tend to envy hair that has tighter curls than mine (like my sister's hair, who like you, has straw-sized curls). It seems like those are the curls that most often offer great volume at the roots too, which I lack! Instead I get stuck using clips to TRY and achieve that look. But I'm hoping to get a Deva cut soon for more layers to try and help with that. I get shrinkage too (I lose at least three inches worth once dry).

Anyway, I'm curious as to why you care how someone types their hair.
As stated earlier, I note flaws in Andre's system, believe there's no perfect typing system, and recognize people need to do type themselves (or not) as they please, to achieve what they can with their hair. I also stated my interest: I'd like to know whether or not people think Andre's system seems to work in typing peoples' hair wet, as well as dry.

Many type fours do look different while wet. The 4a forum is quite active, did you not post this there so as to avoid stirring anything? Just wondering.
No. On Youtube it seemed many of the people described were typing their hair in the "3" range, so it seemed appropriate to post my question in the 3 forum/s. I figured people in the 4 forums are probably typing themselves in the 4 range, so they aren't the "3"s I'm addressing.
Sounds like you have the kind of hair I'm jealous of. First, it sounds like your curls offer a lot of versatility (You can manipulate the size; I can't do that so much ... ). Plus, I tend to envy hair that has tighter curls than mine (like my sister's hair, who like you, has straw-sized curls). It seems like those are the curls that most often offer great volume at the roots too, which I lack! Instead I get stuck using clips to TRY and achieve that look. But I'm hoping to get a Deva cut soon for more layers to try and help with that. I get shrinkage too (I lose at least three inches worth once dry).

Anyway, I'm curious as to why you care how someone types their hair.
As stated earlier, I note flaws in Andre's system, believe there's no perfect typing system, and recognize people need to do type themselves (or not) as they please, to achieve what they can with their hair. I also stated my interest: I'd like to know whether or not people think Andre's system seems to work in typing peoples' hair wet, as well as dry.

Many type fours do look different while wet. The 4a forum is quite active, did you not post this there so as to avoid stirring anything? Just wondering.
No. On Youtube it seemed many of the people described were typing their hair in the "3" range, so it seemed appropriate to post my question in the 3 forum/s. I figured people in the 4 forums are probably typing themselves in the 4 range, so they aren't the "3"s I'm addressing.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
To answer your original question, I'd type while dry or almost dry. Most of them seem to try to type right after the big chop. I personally had a considerable amount of growth before I tried typing my hair. I actually didn't even know about hair type until I found this site.

As far as the type 4s on youtube, some people just don't know their hair or haven't accepted it yet. Personally, I've found that hair types only apply to helping with styling and properties with choosing products. I guess that's why it's called "transitioning" to natural.

Side note: Personally, I've found that hair types only apply to styling, while properties (porosity, texture, etc) help with choosing products.
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Thanks a lot Moosegrl_86

I see what you mean about differentiation based on things like texture and porosity too. Seems there's almost too much going on for a single typing system to accurately work for everyone. Also, maybe it's the reason some of us - not just 3s and 4s - aren't quite sure what we are according to Andre's system? ... I'm still unsure where I fit in his system as it is (years after hearing about it)

You make sense about typing hair when it's dry or near dry. That makes sense to me too. And still, I admit wondering if maybe it actually works for SOME curlies, to type it while it's wet. Maybe hair that barely changes from wet to dry (1s and some 2s ... Maybe even some 3s or 4s??) ... Something tells me I'm now in danger of over-thinking this whole thing hahaha.
3b/c?

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Hmm ... I can see what you mean, since your hair is about the same curl pattern wet as dry. Mine is completely different LOL When dry it's (I think) 3b with some 3c. When wet it's ... straight ... Then it curls up gradually again when less saturated, especially as I run fingers or comb through it.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
I know what you mean by your hair being straight when when. When my hair is soaking when it's a 2. I generally don't even pay attention to my soaking wet hair because it has nothing going on. I was referring to wet hair when it's styled. Like after I detangle and add product.
Honestly I think that people focus too much on hair typing. I understand that it's good so that you can get input from curlies with similar hair to yours, but otherwise I just think it's another way to separate and classify people, which only complicates things!
Hair typing has been more interesting than helpful in my case.

My hair looks different if it's all tangly, when it's detangled, when it's pulled back, when it's wet, when it's damp, when it's dry after co-washing, when it's dry after 2 days of doin nothin, with oil, w/o oil. My hair will even turn out differently depending on how I hold it while its wet. What's the point of typing it if it looks all different on any given day? :/ I can't tell my hair "hey you're a type 4, act like it!" nah, Billie (my hair's name) ain't trynna hear that! She's gonna do what she wants.

What has helped me most is to realize my texture, which is medium/coarse. That's the one thing that's consistent about my hair, and I work with it. Accepting my texture has helped me to love my hair, no matter how it feels like acting that day.
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Here's my 2 cents..

If you're dead set on putting a letter and number combo to your hair, I would do it while it's dry because unless you run around all day with wet hair on the regular, it doesn't make sense to type it while wet.
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I'm one of those curlies that types while wet. The reason? I only work with it while it's wet so the products I use need to apply to the way my hair is when its being applied. Fortunately my hair dries into the same curl pattern that it was when wet, even with some shrinkage. However I do have a patch in the back that tends to frizz when dry and if I waited till it was dry it type, it would be nearly impossible to type.

Ita that texture and porosity are better indicators of how your hair will behave but the typing system is a good place for newbies to start because this whole hair care system is quite overwhelming at first glance! It's a step-by-step process and I look at the typing system as step one.

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Thanks! Love your replies

IAmJordanNicole, I see what you mean about the danger hair typing systems have for causing derision. Good point.

Vanillatoffee, LOL at "Billie"! I'm with you on the texture thing. Definitely tend to agree that working with texture, rather than type can be much more important.

BekkaPoo, that makes a lot of sense. Most people wear their hair dry. Can see how those people could be better off trying to type it when dry too. I also see Angelcurl's point too, that she styles hers while wet so typing it while wet might make sense too.

Angelcurls, everything you said seems really well-rounded to me. And you actually explained an advantage to typing while wet (educate me), which I appreciate
3b/c?

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Here's my 2 cents..

If you're dead set on putting a letter and number combo to your hair, I would do it while it's dry because unless you run around all day with wet hair on the regular, it doesn't make sense to type it while wet.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
That's exactly what I was going to say!

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