Curl Pattern 3d - Am I the only one who thinks there is a missing link?

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We were simply answering the question.

People ask what their hair type is all the time. We answer. Of course, its not going to be accurate because photos from a couple of angles can only tell you so much.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
By the way the same person posted both threads so it was pretty much asked and answered.

On my EVO
Originally Posted by Kilajo
I'm allowed to have my opinion. Thank you.
Originally Posted by greenandchic
You're welcome??

On my EVO
Can someone please stop this thread before it explodes like THE EXACT SAME thread did in 4a?! Who cares if people who YOU think are 4s believe they're 3s. They know their curl size better than you do. Seriously, why is that so important? BTW I am the last one to advocate curl typing. I don't like it.... 3d is as silly as 2b, 3b or 10b to me!

On my EVO
Originally Posted by Kilajo
Noticed someone attacked you in that other thread, accusing you of being a "4" in disguise ... the way they did it was completely obnoxious and uncalled for. And I'm sorry if my opinion has you worried that this thread will attract more commentary that is personally attacking or doesn't align with your own view.

But for the record, I've acknowledged that people get to label themselves however they'd like. I've merely added that I find some of what motivates it kind of interesting and at times, sad. Not sure your appeal to censor the thread is the best way to handle your anxiety. Then again, the moderator will obviously step in if it's believed things on this thread will get out of hand.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
First, if you are affected by anxiety, please don't project your mental state onto me. That's your issue. Second, it doesn't really matter if this aligns with my views. I'm going to continue to give my opinions when I choose to over and over if I choose. Just as you will continue to say over and over you think some 4s have this issue. That's both of our right.

On my EVO
Originally Posted by Kilajo
If you think "anxiety" was too strong a word for your behavior, Okay. It's just that your plea for the thread to close seemed a little ... drastic; reactionary. At any rate, I see no reason why anyone would get offended by people stating the fact that SOME (not all) type 4s have a "good hair/ bad hair" complex that gets acted out via the typing system. To pretend it doesn't ever happen seems a little disingenuous to me.

I do believe there's an elephant in the room and getting upset when someone points out that elephant is a little puzzling to me.
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Last edited by Korkscrew; 10-14-2011 at 04:10 PM.

Noticed someone attacked you in that other thread, accusing you of being a "4" in disguise ... the way they did it was completely obnoxious and uncalled for. And I'm sorry if my opinion has you worried that this thread will attract more commentary that is personally attacking or doesn't align with your own view.

But for the record, I've acknowledged that people get to label themselves however they'd like. I've merely added that I find some of what motivates it kind of interesting and at times, sad. Not sure your appeal to censor the thread is the best way to handle your anxiety. Then again, the moderator will obviously step in if it's believed things on this thread will get out of hand.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
First, if you are affected by anxiety, please don't project your mental state onto me. That's your issue. Second, it doesn't really matter if this aligns with my views. I'm going to continue to give my opinions when I choose to over and over if I choose. Just as you will continue to say over and over you think some 4s have this issue. That's both of our right.

On my EVO
Originally Posted by Kilajo
If you think "anxiety" was too strong a word for your behavior, Okay. It's just that your plea for the thread to close seemed a little ... drastic; reactionary. At any rate, I see no reason why anyone would get offended by people stating the fact that SOME (not all) type 4s have a "good hair/ bad hair" complex that gets acted out via the typing system. To pretend it doesn't ever happen seems a little disingenuous to me.

I do believe there's an elephant in the room and getting upset when someone points out that elephant is a little puzzling to me.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
My "behavior" was typing my opinion of what you said. Since we're characterizing each other's behavior, yours seems to be that of insecurity. How dare these 4s call themselves 3s. How dare they say they have the same type as me. (Yes, that was me being facetious.) Now that's my opinion of people that have one hair type categorizing people of another as having some type of issue. And who are these people with a complex on a curly hair forum. The 4s I see on here all seem to accept their natural curls. Why shouldn't they!? Tightly coiled hair is beautiful! I think you are disingenuous by repeatedly posting about 4s having this complex when it appears that you are the one with the complex. (In other words why be so concerned with what 4s are doing?) Sorry but I'm not in the same room with you so I don't see any elephants.

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My "behavior" was typing my opinion of what you said. Since we're characterizing each other's behavior, yours seems to be that of insecurity. How dare these 4s call themselves 3s.
Originally Posted by Kilajo
Interesting interpretation and I don't see that statement you're making "How dare you ..." as facetious, or even dialectical. You misunderstand: I've twice now said anyone is free to label/mislabel themselves. I've also twice stated a fact about some of the "good-hair"/"bad hair" dynamic that plays itself out via dissociation with 4 hair. If you're never heard or this happening, or you've never witnessed someone doing it, so be it. I have. We simply have different experiences and/or opinions on the matter. Nothing to get up in arms about, really. I'm not pointing to every 4, or you.


The 4s I see on here all seem to accept their natural curls. Why shouldn't they!? Tightly coiled hair is beautiful!
I agree that people should accept their natural curls. And I fully agree that tightly coiled hair is beautiful (just a gorgeous as any other type of curl). But that's not what society teaches people and you see THAT is why there are some coily girls - not all - who have a hard time fully accepting it (on or offline).

As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle: there are people who love their coils, others who are Okay with them, and some who are in denial and have issues. To pretend this last mindset doesn't exist ... I'm just not sure what to tell you.

I think you are disingenuous by repeatedly posting about 4s having this complex ...
I've repeated my original point in order to respond to your reaction to it, otherwise I've stated it once. There's no logical reason for demonizing the content of what anyone said when it's perfectly factual. Shooting the messenger is pointless.
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i guess what im not understanding is why are people finding it so hard to place your hair into either 1234 if your hair is curly your 3 if its kinky its 4 let others fight about the rest lol

all the people that want a extra group for 3's are already 3 in the first place....
Call yourself whatever you like honey.
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Last edited by Miss_Molly; 10-23-2011 at 06:20 AM.
Oh geez... Here we go again.
Why can't we just get along. If she wants to catagorize her hair as 3D why does it have to indicate she doesn't like kinky hair. Why can't it be that she can't find where she fits in that funky system and thinks there should be another catagory. Andre Walkers original system didn't even include 3C or 4C. I recall reading about 3C right here on NC in a sticky a few years ago. Why, because people didn't feel they were a 3B or a 4A so 3C was born. Same with 4C.
I know for some this natural hair thing is a political statement, but it isn't for all of us. Some just like the way their hair looks, some were tired of being a slave to a salon, some wanted healthier hair, some wanted longer hair, some just wanted to jump on the bandwagon, and a multitude of other reasons. And for some it's a political statement.
We shouldn't assume that her reason for suggesting a new category was anything other then what she indicated. IMO it is usually better to take a person at face value until actions or words indicate otherwise. I have found that when I make assumptions not based on fact or actions or words, it's my issue and not theirs.
It sounds to me like she had an idea that she wanted to share.
It's pointless to argue over something so opinionated as a inconsistent hair chart. The chart has it's flaws, which is why there is always someone asking for validation. Everyone answering isn't completely sure either if you can tell, they're just smart guesses. Opinions, it's all it is, there is no reason to argue over it. 3D or not, it was the original poster's opinion, only that. Everyone IS entitled to an opinion, and no one should adhere in violating that. It's a hair thread on a Hair-health website, how can you fight over hair?
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Well Mannie, there's a difference between a healthy debate and fighting. I've noticed that when people of all cultures, colors and countries get together on a groundbreaking forum such as this one, many different viewpoints are presented and it's not really normal to agree with everything that is said, unless one happens to be a sheep with no brains, which....would be pretty damn boring, right?

(you look like a younger version of a cousin of mine...you wouldn't happen to be from North Carolina...?....)

Anyway, I'm going to go dig up the other thread on this topic because BOY I think I missed something special.
.....So I just read the 9 pages on the 4a forum (daaang..you should read it!), and you know: it really IS the forum I have learned the most from (and I am def a 3c with some touches of 4a), I mean I never knew I could use drugstore conditioners and get any results, that I could use gel, the list goes on and on....meanwhile on the General Disussion forum I have tried to give advice to people with a different curl pattern (3's, I believe) and was dismissed quickly as my hair type was "different",soooo.......

The Andre Walker system is a joke, because he clearly believes that 4a should be chemically altered and I believe the 3c category was invented on Naturally Curly.

4a is the place for your curls to be, my friend. Wise, insightful, informative, witty, and educational. 3c...much too quiet. Combine, I say.

The rest of NC ain't bad either
I know this is old, but I have something to add.

If you search hair typing charts, there is one chart that goes all the way to like F or something on each hair type. So it's not odd to see yourself as a 3d or 4f or 3f. Doesn't matter. I like the LOIS system better anyway.

Jen
FroZen
So much irrelevance in this thread

just doing too much...
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Most treads are irrelevant to people other than the one who started it. Personally, LOIS is a better system than the one that ass André Walker made up.

Better yet, just realizing each head of hair is unique and you don't have anything to prove.

Still, the question of hair type will always come up. And there will be a rag tag crew of us who will politely respond.

Jen
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this whole hair typing thing is new to me and i'm not sure i fully understand it myself. BUT when i was looking at the chart and the descriptions of each type 3c says curly-kinky which is bascially what these looking to call themselves 3d or 3c/4a seems like to me. i think the misunderstanding and diffculty figuring out which is what comes from mistyping and/or diffculty seeing the true pattern in pictures. as someone stated, you can't really get a good feel for the curl pattern via photos due to various issues (angles, glare, picture quality, etc.)

i guess i'm a 3c and i chose based on the description, not the pictures. i feel like we just made this way more difficult than it should be.
huh
You are right. There is too big a deal made out of hair typing. Like I've seen people who by description are 3c, but everyone says "BOO" because they have a different idea of what 3c should look like. Honestly, the whole Walker system needs to be scrapped. More harm than good.

Jen
FroZen
It's a hair thread on a Hair-health website, how can you fight over hair?
Originally Posted by Mannie
This was about something more than hair. The issue started when a poster made an emotional appeal to censorship of this thread based on a few people with views she opposed. The issue was about censorship.

If she were so upset about this thread becoming another "fight" (as she claimed), she'd have simply avoided reading the thread at all. After all, she'd allegedly just suffered from this type of thread already.

She introduced an adversarial tone to an otherwise harmonious thread, complaining about a fight that hadn't broken out. It's like someone seeking out a dry, dense forest, lighting a match to some leaves while screaming, "I'm afraid of fire everyone!"

As for the the content of this thread: I agree with others who say that the typing system is problematic, and can be confusing. And I still also believe that sometimes - certainly not always - the "good hair" thing gets played out with the system too.
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Last edited by Korkscrew; 09-18-2012 at 05:01 PM.
I've seen the 3 type put in a-f so why not
I agree. The typing is useful when looking for hair styles for your hair type or for products most likely to suit your hair. Otherwise, we should just aim for healthy hair and what is it is what it is. What if you woke up and the your hair was FINE just the way it hung. The problem as I see it is that the 3C/4A category is huge and I find most of the hairstyles are suited for hair much kinkier than mine. I admire the 4s with thick coily hair that looks great in twists and braids. I get one skimpy braid to every one of their fat three of four! The kinks are what make it work. Women do all kinds of stuff to their hair and that's cool, but if you have to apply five products and do a routine that takes more than 10 minutes, that's not a natural curl pattern and really, who has time for such lengthy hair rituals. I have life to do!
It's a hair thread on a Hair-health website, how can you fight over hair?
Originally Posted by Mannie
This was about something more than hair. The issue started when a poster made an emotional appeal to censorship of this thread based on a few people with views she opposed. The issue was about censorship.

If she were so upset about this thread becoming another "fight" (as she claimed), she'd have simply avoided reading the thread at all. After all, she'd allegedly just suffered from this type of thread already.

She introduced an adversarial tone to an otherwise harmonious thread, complaining about a fight that hadn't broken out. It's like someone seeking out a dry, dense forest, lighting a match to some leaves while screaming, "I'm afraid of fire everyone!"

As for the the content of this thread: I agree with others who say that the typing system is problematic, and can be confusing. And I still also believe that sometimes - certainly not always - the "good hair" thing gets played out with the system too.
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Oh really? Here you go again. Pretty pathetic to bring up a 9 month old thread and begin an argument for your own silly purpose. You don't have much to do do you?

Pathetic = holding on to an issue for NINE MONTHS. Korkscrew, you can best believe I forgot about you the same day I last responded to your silly posts...until I just saw this silly post today.

Last edited by Kilajo; 09-22-2012 at 11:09 AM.
[QUOTE=Kilajo;2038169]

Oh really? ...
Originally Posted by Korkscrew
Was responding to a gaggle of older threads like this one (as you just did above). Nothing more, nothing less.
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