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stacyw71 10-07-2011 02:57 PM

Help! Hair breaking. Need Moisture?
 
I've been cg for almost a month now. I realized yesterday that my hair has broken off a bit in the front and when I pull out a strand and pull on it, it breaks without stretching.

I hadn't noticed any problems until yesterday. This is what I have been doing. Co-washing with Suave Naturals Coconut, Conditioning with DevaOne Conditioner or Garnier Fructis Sleek and Shine and also leaving in the GFS&S. I scrunch in LA Looks Sport Gel and SOTC when dry (sometimes diffuse on low). I have done 3 DT's with Shea Moisture Deep Treatment Masque. Last week I colored with Nuturtint, which I know still has some chemicals, but has no ammonia. I followed with a DT the following day. Yesterday, I tried a pre-poo with EVCO. My hair was soft and shiny, but that is when I noticed the breakage. (Several strands in bang area - The part that had been damaged by blow drying straight).

So now I'm confused. Was is the EVCO? Is it from the dye? Am I protein sensitive? What can I use to moisturize and fix this.

I know...so many questions. But I've done so much reading and so many searches and I'm still confused. Everyone seems to need something different and I'm afraid to try anything new at this point. Today, I used the DT again. Rinsed out and followed by regular co-wash, rinse-out, leave-in, gel routine.

Any suggestions on where to go from here?

stacyw71 10-08-2011 07:23 PM

Anyone?

My hair is still very brittle and frizzier than normal. Also I noticed that the hair at the nape of my neck is less curly and more frizzy than it has been.

I'm going to continue with co-wash,RO,LI, followed by gel for now because I have a family wedding to go to next weekend and I'm scared to try something new and look awful.

But I would love some input. I know there are a lot of similar threads but the more I read, the more confused I get. I'm thinking it was the EVCO because it was that day, but I also thought it could be a delayed reaction from the color.

SusieSuze 10-10-2011 01:46 PM

sorry to answer so late.

I am unfamiliar with the suave coconut, but the coconut conditioner I have is a protein based one.

Too much protein on me causes my hair to become dry and brittle. I switched to Garnier Fructis triple nutrition for super moisturizing and occasionally do a protein conditioner to keep the curls bouncing.

Good luck!

hmm I just re-read your post and wonder if there are silicones in the styling product you're using. Coconut oil definitely makes my hair feel brittle. Colouring your hair will invariably increase the damage level already there, so yes indeed it is likely that too.

It's a long journey, learning what works for you.. but keep reading and posting, and you will figure it out! It is SO worth it. I've never loved my hair as much as I do now.. and I know I have even more I can improve on. :)

stacyw71 10-10-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SusieSuze (Post 1784828)
sorry to answer so late.

I am unfamiliar with the suave coconut, but the coconut conditioner I have is a protein based one.

Too much protein on me causes my hair to become dry and brittle. I switched to Garnier Fructis triple nutrition for super moisturizing and occasionally do a protein conditioner to keep the curls bouncing.

Good luck!

hmm I just re-read your post and wonder if there are silicones in the styling product you're using. Coconut oil definitely makes my hair feel brittle. Colouring your hair will invariably increase the damage level already there, so yes indeed it is likely that too.

It's a long journey, learning what works for you.. but keep reading and posting, and you will figure it out! It is SO worth it. I've never loved my hair as much as I do now.. and I know I have even more I can improve on. :)

Thanks for the response. The suave coconut does have a little protein, but I have been using it for a month with no problem and I never use it as a leave-in.

The Gel doesn't appear to have any silicones (I'm no expert) and I know a lot of curlies use it, but it does have some protein. I have also used Dep Gel, and don't seem to have a problem with that. I would like to try KCKT and KCCC, but I checked both of the local Targets and couldn't find it. I guess I have to order it online. Any other hard hold gel suggestions are welcomed.

At this point, I'm thinking that is was the coconut oil, although I have no idea why. So now I don't know if it's protein related or if my hair just doesn't like coconut oil for some reason. I did a ACV rinse today for the first time and my hair is really soft and shiny and feels 5lbs. lighter. I wonder if I did have some sort of build up.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a DT that is Protein-free, preferably something I don't have to order online? I want to try JCWDT, but I think I will have to order that. Not sure if I'm protein sensitive, but at this point I don't want to risk making hair more brittle.

thelio 10-14-2011 07:36 AM

Do you have a whole foods near by you? I love anything by aubrey organics. Also shea moisture products are great you can get them at target. target usually carries kccc. You may want to ask someone who works there.

Is only the front breaking off or do you have breakage eveywhere? do you sleep on a satin pillow case? remember certain fibers can cause breakage as well. alswys dry hair with a t-shirt adn lay on a satin or silk pillow case.

stacyw71 10-14-2011 08:33 AM

I only noticed the broken pieces in the front( The most damaged section), but when I pulled out strands from other places and pulled on them, they snapped easily. But then again, I never tested the strands before so I don't know if they were like that from the start.

I checked the Kinky Curly website and for some reason the nearest Target that carries their products is over an hour away. The nearest Whole Foods is also over an hour away from me, but we do have a NutritionSmart and I think I have seen the Aubrey Organics there. I have read a lot of recommendations for the AOHR and may try that. I also bought the GVP Conditioning Balm and have been using that and I like it. I have used the Shea Moisture DC Treatment Masque, but have also read good things about the Smoothie. I just can't try everything at once. It gets confusing and expensive! I use a t-shirt to blot dry, but need to get myself a satin pillowcase.

I haven't really noticed more breaking, but the hair still snaps when pulled. I keep wondering if I should do a protein treatment followed by a DT. I read some posts that say if your hair is breaking and processed (dyed), it might need protein. But I also read that if it stretches without breaking, it needs protein and my hair DOES NOT stretch, so I'm thinking moisture and not protein. I'm so confused.

Like Suzisuze said 'It's a long Journey..." So I'll be trying lots of different products and methods. I'm just holding off until after this weekend. I don't want my hair to look like a brillo pad at the wedding I am attending. Not that I ever want it to, but I guess I've got to learn by trial and error.

thelio 10-14-2011 11:22 AM

If its breaking you may need protein to strengthen your hair. Aubrey has a nice protien treatment.

GPB Glycogen Protein Balancing Conditioner 16oz

I also use this one to mositurize:

White Camellia Ultra-Smoothing Shampoo 11oz

Try a protein treatment and see how yor hair likes it. I know after i did a protein treatment i saw less breakage immediately.

stacyw71 11-08-2011 06:21 PM

I finally did a protein treatment! I used Sally's Ion Repair Reconstructer followed by a DT. I don't think my hair liked it. It's not terrible or damaged looking, but it seems drier than it started out. I think for now, I'm going to stay away from the protein in PT's, but not get crazy about protein in regular products. I'm not sure I'm protein sensitive, I just don't think I benefited from it at all. I think I just need moisture, moisture, and more moisture.

At this point, I'm pretty sure that the original breakage I talked about was from the Coconut oil. Now, I wonder if coconut oil is no good for my hair, or if it's just the way I used it (Alone on dry hair as a pre-poo for 30 min). I wonder if I can use small amounts mixed with products. I'm afraid to try it though.

denise3099 11-08-2011 08:54 PM

Wow, me too. For some reason both times I used pure coconut oil, my hair was like straw. No idea why, but I put that away quick.

stacyw71 11-09-2011 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by denise3099 (Post 1807364)
Wow, me too. For some reason both times I used pure coconut oil, my hair was like straw. No idea why, but I put that away quick.

Do you ever add it to other products, or do you just stay away from it completely?

denise3099 11-10-2011 05:33 PM

I used it straight twice. I think I put emu oil on the scalp, but it was mostly a lot of coconut oil. After it felt like I left a protein treatment on for a month! Super straw.

I don't think I mind stuff with coconut in it but the straight stuff was a mess for me. I do like to put jojoba oil in deep conditioner. That works great.

Devushka 11-11-2011 07:33 PM

If your hair is feeling straw-like/hard in any way, I'm thinking you actually DON'T want protein. If I were you, I'd check the ingredients in everything I was using and would think about cutting out anything with protein for a while to see if that helps.

AUsomecurls 11-12-2011 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by denise3099 (Post 1807364)
Wow, me too. For some reason both times I used pure coconut oil, my hair was like straw. No idea why, but I put that away quick.

Hi Denise, coconut oil is too harsh for the hair due to its molecular structure. What is much better is to order "raw coconut cream" online. This is pureed coconut meat, passed through a juicer. It's edible, real food, but amazing on the hair. Here's where I buy mine from. It's amazing. Very pricey but amazing! It's what hair needs, real food :) http://www.originallivingcoconut.com/Products.aspx

Devushka 11-13-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AUsomecurls (Post 1810328)
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Originally Posted by denise3099 (Post 1807364)
Wow, me too. For some reason both times I used pure coconut oil, my hair was like straw. No idea why, but I put that away quick.

Hi Denise, coconut oil is too harsh for the hair due to its molecular structure. What is much better is to order "raw coconut cream" online. This is pureed coconut meat, passed through a juicer. It's edible, real food, but amazing on the hair. Here's where I buy mine from. It's amazing. Very pricey but amazing! It's what hair needs, real food :) Original Living Coconut > Products

Disagree. First, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence from the many, various people who regularly use coconut oil on their hair and reap lots of benefits from it. Second, there's plenty of scientific bases for understanding how coconut oil is beneficial to hair.
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?
"The presence of coconut oil inside the cortex of hair provides multiple benefits. It acts as a plasticizer to soften the hair and provide more flexibility and toughness. Coconut oil also increases retention of keratin molecules within the hair shaft, which reduces protein erosion that normally occurs during wash cycles. Continuous loss of protein over time from routine washing damages hair and can result in color fading, split ends, and breakage, so anything that can moderate this phenomenon is beneficial.

An additional advantage to coconut oil inside the hair shaft is that it decreases the amount of swelling of the hair shaft that normally occurs when immersed in water. Normally, when hair is saturated with water during the washing process, it absorbs up to 30% or more of its weight in water. This causes each strand to swell considerably, which can lead to several undesirable effects. Increasing the diameter of the hair shaft causes the outer covering of cuticle scales to lift and separate, which increases tangling and breakage. But, perhaps more subtle, is the damage done over time from many cycles of expansion and contraction."

I suspect if someone's hair really can't tolerate protein, or it holds onto too much protein relentlessly, then the statement about coconut oil increasing the retention of keratin molecules perhaps has something to do with why coconut oil doesn't work for that person's hair. But it's not the case categorically that "coconut oil is too harsh for the hair".

The thing is, coconut oil (like most other things that get any kind of mixed reviews on here on these forums) shows how individual each person's hair is. There's always something that one person swears is an HG but at the same time is something that someone else swears wreaks total havoc on their hair. So in the end, if it's working for your hair, stick with it. If it's not, then don't.


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