Help needed with shampoo bar! :(

Hi curlies!

I've only recently started with a modified CG routine and decided use natural shampoos. Since shampoo bars are sulphate free, I decided to get one.

I've used it twice so far and I have had a bad time trying to rinse it out both times. My hair felt super tangled, clumped up and matted and I couldn't work my fingers through my scalp. I understand that bars are alkaline in nature and I've tried using a lemon juice rinse the second time I used the bar, but no luck. I had to slather on loads of conditioner to reduce the tangles. I've also noticed lots of shedding when using the bar and I'm afraid I'll end up causing breakage when trying to rinse it out.

Anyone else have a similar experience with bars? Any tips would be appreciated. I don't want to give up just yet! Should I stick to co-washing instead and use the bars once a week?

And in case anyone is wondering about the bar's ingredients: Geranium & sandalwood essential oils, jojoba oil, almond oil, shikaki, aloevera, Vitamin E, glycerin & aqua, permitted edible color & aroma, saponified oils of olive, coconut, castor, palm & palm kernel.
Type: 2B/3A, fine, low porosity
Shampoo: Soulflower Sandalwood and Geranium Shampoo Bar
Condish: Enliven Coconut and Vanilla Conditioner
Pre-poo oil: Biotique Bhringraj
Anyone else have a similar experience with bars? Any tips would be appreciated. I don't want to give up just yet! Should I stick to co-washing instead and use the bars once a week?
Originally Posted by curlychait
I use a shampoo bar. It's natural, too, but it contains honey and goat's milk as well as all the oils.

I find if I wet my hair very thoroughly, slick it back like I was putting it in a pony tail, and then wet the bar and swipe it 3-4 times across the root/crown area, I get a good lather. I massage just the root area and then work whatever's left into the ends. Then I rinse and condition/detangle. I use the bar 1-2 times per week.

Hope that helps. Maybe your bar is too drying and is causing all the tangles? It sounds like it has a lot of good oils in it though. Or if your trying to massage the bar all over your head - that could cause tangles.
3b ringlets. fine texture. normal everything.

No poo: L'Oreal Eversleek Reparitive, Free Spirit Botanicals shampoo bars
Low poo: Tresemme Naturals
Condish: YTC, Tresemme Naturals, L'Oreal Eversleek Reparitive, Down Under Naturals Hypo-Allergenic, Suave Coconut
Styling products: HEMSU gel, Tresemme Bouncing Curls gel
I had a similar experience when I used a CV bar. My hair rarely tangles (only when I use an ingredient it doesn't like.) Eventually determined that it was castor oil that my hair hates. I'm very careful about ingredients. Never had an issue once I found out it was the castor oil.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams

I use a shampoo bar. It's natural, too, but it contains honey and goat's milk as well as all the oils.

I find if I wet my hair very thoroughly, slick it back like I was putting it in a pony tail, and then wet the bar and swipe it 3-4 times across the root/crown area, I get a good lather. I massage just the root area and then work whatever's left into the ends. Then I rinse and condition/detangle. I use the bar 1-2 times per week.

Hope that helps. Maybe your bar is too drying and is causing all the tangles? It sounds like it has a lot of good oils in it though. Or if your trying to massage the bar all over your head - that could cause tangles.
Originally Posted by boing!
Thank you for the reply. I actually lather the bar in my hands and then work it into my hair but I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with my technique. I'll try it your way! Do you need to use an acid rinse once you are done?


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Type: 2B/3A, fine, low porosity
Shampoo: Soulflower Sandalwood and Geranium Shampoo Bar
Condish: Enliven Coconut and Vanilla Conditioner
Pre-poo oil: Biotique Bhringraj
I had a similar experience when I used a CV bar. My hair rarely tangles (only when I use an ingredient it doesn't like.) Eventually determined that it was castor oil that my hair hates. I'm very careful about ingredients. Never had an issue once I found out it was the castor oil.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Wow! I'll try our a different bar next time and see if that works. I'm stuck with this for the time being though.

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Type: 2B/3A, fine, low porosity
Shampoo: Soulflower Sandalwood and Geranium Shampoo Bar
Condish: Enliven Coconut and Vanilla Conditioner
Pre-poo oil: Biotique Bhringraj
I had a similar experience when I used a CV bar. My hair rarely tangles (only when I use an ingredient it doesn't like.) Eventually determined that it was castor oil that my hair hates. I'm very careful about ingredients. Never had an issue once I found out it was the castor oil.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Wow! I'll try our a different bar next time and see if that works. I'm stuck with this for the time being though.

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Originally Posted by curlychait
Use it as your body soap. You'll get rid of it faster.

I use the same technique that you do. Lather in my hands and then apply to scalp and hair. I think "rubbing" the soap on your hair can cause more tangles--depending on how you do it. If you're using the lather in hands method, I really do think it's an ingredient in the soap that's exacerbating the tangles.

Castor oil is an ingredient that helps soap lather. If you use natural soap that doesn't contain it, don't expect a lot of lather.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks so much Kathy! I'm beginning to believe it might be an ingredient too.

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Type: 2B/3A, fine, low porosity
Shampoo: Soulflower Sandalwood and Geranium Shampoo Bar
Condish: Enliven Coconut and Vanilla Conditioner
Pre-poo oil: Biotique Bhringraj

I use a shampoo bar. It's natural, too, but it contains honey and goat's milk as well as all the oils.

I find if I wet my hair very thoroughly, slick it back like I was putting it in a pony tail, and then wet the bar and swipe it 3-4 times across the root/crown area, I get a good lather. I massage just the root area and then work whatever's left into the ends. Then I rinse and condition/detangle. I use the bar 1-2 times per week.

Hope that helps. Maybe your bar is too drying and is causing all the tangles? It sounds like it has a lot of good oils in it though. Or if your trying to massage the bar all over your head - that could cause tangles.
Originally Posted by boing!
Thank you for the reply. I actually lather the bar in my hands and then work it into my hair but I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with my technique. I'll try it your way! Do you need to use an acid rinse once you are done?


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Originally Posted by curlychait
I do use an ACV rinse since I heard the bars are alkaline.
3b ringlets. fine texture. normal everything.

No poo: L'Oreal Eversleek Reparitive, Free Spirit Botanicals shampoo bars
Low poo: Tresemme Naturals
Condish: YTC, Tresemme Naturals, L'Oreal Eversleek Reparitive, Down Under Naturals Hypo-Allergenic, Suave Coconut
Styling products: HEMSU gel, Tresemme Bouncing Curls gel
I had the exact same experience as yours with the Soulflower Sandalwood and Geranium Shampoo Bar. Waxy, extremely tangled, dry hair. Also, I don't have a hair fall problem but after only one use of this bar, I had such a scary hair fall situation. I can't even think of giving it a second try. A lot of ppl suggest apple cider vinegar but it just unnecessarily increases a step. Organic surge shampoos are good. In fact, anything else but this! The ingredients make this soap tempting but i suggest it's better to buy actual essential oils and use them. They work much better.

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