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Old 07-03-2013, 05:53 AM   #1
 
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Unhappy Am I missing a step??

Hi, so I've been doing CG for several months now, and while my hair feels healthier and is curlier than before...I still struggle with frizz and people making negative comments about my hair due to the frizz. I feel like I'm missing a step somewhere, or some product that could help.
My hair is a combination of 2a/2b/3a with some little 3b/3cs tucked under the bottom.
Things my hair likes:
Kinky Curly Knot Today
Deva Curl No Poo
Deva Curl AnGel
Kinky Curly Curling Custard

I don't like:
Suave Naturals Coconut (it made my hair really stringy and rough feeling, and it didn't seem to moisturize my hair at all)
Deva Curl One Condition (I'm indifferent to this; it's just not moisturizing enough to me, I end up having to use a lot of KCKT along with it and doesn't make enough of a difference to justify the price tag.)
DevaCurl Set it Free (It doesn't seem to do anything for me)

I have used Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus cream as a styler before but it was too heavy and weighed down my hair, so I actually use this as a rinse out conditioner sometimes now. I use the KCKT as both a rinse out and leave in and apply either AnGel or KCCC, then plop using a microfiber towel or just leave my hair down. I always air dry and never touch my hair after putting gel in, when my hair is soaking wet. If I add more gel I have less frizz but my hair looks gross and wet for the rest of the day even after scrunching it out. Help!!

I feel like I'm missing some sort of styling product or something. I have heard reference to curl butters--maybe this is it? Can anyone recommend one to me? Or a more moisturizing conditioner? Help me beat the frizz, please!!
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:17 AM   #2
 
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Without knowing your hair properties (texture, porosity, etc) I can't make specific product suggestions, but in general, you might want to try a stronger hold gel- I've found this to greatly reduce frizz.
KCKT really isn't moisturizing at all, so it sounds like you also need more moisture. I also didn't care for DevaCurl One C, but found that DevaCare One C was amazing. My favorite budget friendly conditioner is Regis Olive Oil (you can usually find it at the salons inside Walmart if you don't have an actual Regis Salon nearby). At less than $18 for a one liter bottle, it's less than half the price of One C.
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CO-WASH: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo
CLARIFY: CHS Treatment Shampoo (used prior to PT/DT)
RO: DevaCare One Condition, Regis Olive Oil
LI: Cure Care, As I Am Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Biotera Gel, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, GVP Liquid Sculpting Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:17 AM   #3
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some of the products you use made my hair very dry -- kckt did nothing for my hair, so it was as tho there wasn't any leave in left in. kccc dried out my hair after the first day. deva products (since their re-formulation in 2009) dry out my hair.
so, i'd try different products, more moisturizing. and, btw, with other products you don't have to use anywhere as much as you do with deva products.
also, are you towel drying too much moisture out of your hair? that can cause frizz. try letting it be a little more wet. (kccc is known to add to dry time.)
the curl butters you are referring to might be either curl creams or sealing products.

to start, i'd find out my hair properties. ie, fine hair needs more protein. knowing your hair's texture and porosity will help you find products with ingredients your hair would like. there are a number of websites that help with this. livecurlylivefree.com is one. actually, put in hair properties, or how to find.... in the search box on the nc site, and you should come up with a bunch of websites to read.
good luck! it's worth the time and effort!
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washing/cowashing, conditioning, leave in, protein tx: curl junkie products. styling:curl junkie conditioners only at times, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. trying ufdcm. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!! sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:57 AM   #4
 
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Ok, it looks like my hair is medium texture and overly porous. I don't really towel dry much at all--I use a microfiber towel in a scrunching motion towards my scalp once or twice and then let it be.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:26 AM   #5
 
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I know I was able to use a microfiber towel when my hair was longer, but with shorter hair microfiber towels give me increased frizz. I've seen a few other people also shy away from microfiber for this reason. I currently use flour sack towels (super inexpensive), and have also done well with just a plain t-shirt.
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CO-WASH: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo
CLARIFY: CHS Treatment Shampoo (used prior to PT/DT)
RO: DevaCare One Condition, Regis Olive Oil
LI: Cure Care, As I Am Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Biotera Gel, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, GVP Liquid Sculpting Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse
PT/DT: IAGirl's PT, One n' Only Argan Hydrating Mask
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:09 AM   #6
 
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Around here, Deva is a love/hate. Many of us started out with it, thought we liked it and then moved on to other things we like a lot better. Reformulation was the end for me even letting the salon use the NoPoo on me. I find that very drying.

KCKT is a detangler. No real moisture there. You frizz could be caused by a lack of moisture.

I can't use the microfiber towels, either. They cause frizz, too. I use Curlease, CLU or flour sacks.

Last, but not least, the Deva NoPoo has a polyquat. Don't know about the other Deva products and I don't have time to look it up. For me, polyquats coat my hair and cause frizz when wet. I need a stronger surfactant to remove them.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:22 AM   #7
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ditto on the microfiber towels -- cause frizz on my hair. i use curlease towels.
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washing/cowashing, conditioning, leave in, protein tx: curl junkie products. styling:curl junkie conditioners only at times, cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. trying ufdcm. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!! sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:36 AM   #8
 
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How are you defining 'moisturised' hair, what does that look or feel like to you? What about your hair with the One Condition doesn't seem 'moisturised' compared with the Knot Today?

As KathyMack says the Knot Today is a detangler only and does not contain ingredients that condition or maintain hydration, it contains no oils and little in the way of emollients (cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols). Consider ingredients like coconut oil for reducing porosity, emollients for clumping and defrizzing. Also Knot Today is pH 7, hair prefers pH ~4.5 this encourages the cuticle to lay flat.

I too have better results with flour sack than a microfibre towel.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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Old 07-04-2013, 04:02 PM   #9
 
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I feel stupid, I forgot to mention in my product list that I also use shea moisture raw shea butter conditioner for damaged hair. (SheaMoisture Organic Raw Shea Butter Restorative Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com) this one.
I use a little coconut oil on my very ends at night time when I remember (not often lately, I admit) and whenever I have to use an actual shampoo I put some on to protect my hair a bit. I have sebhorreic dermatitis so sometimes when it flares up I need to use medicated shampoo on my scalp. But I haven't had a flare in the past couple months.
As fas as my hair feeling moisturized I guess I define that as feeling smooth, having a lot of slip, easily detangling when wet, feeling kind of like seaweed when scrunching products in when wet, being soft when dry. Maybe I'm not defining it the right way? Maybe my hair doesn't know what it feels like to be moisturized properly lol.

I used to use a t-shirt to dry my hair when I first started cg/lowpoo but haven't really seen a difference vs. the towel, but I'll go back to using the t-shirt for awhile just to see if it makes a difference. Just ordered a flour sack towel pack to try.

Thanks for all the help ladies!
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:50 PM   #10
 
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I feel stupid, I forgot to mention in my product list that I also use shea moisture raw shea butter conditioner for damaged hair. (SheaMoisture Organic Raw Shea Butter Restorative Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com) this one.
I use a little coconut oil on my very ends at night time when I remember (not often lately, I admit) and whenever I have to use an actual shampoo I put some on to protect my hair a bit. I have sebhorreic dermatitis so sometimes when it flares up I need to use medicated shampoo on my scalp. But I haven't had a flare in the past couple months.

As fas as my hair feeling moisturized I guess I define that as feeling smooth, having a lot of slip, easily detangling when wet, feeling kind of like seaweed when scrunching products in when wet, being soft when dry. Maybe I'm not defining it the right way? Maybe my hair doesn't know what it feels like to be moisturized properly lol.

I used to use a t-shirt to dry my hair when I first started cg/lowpoo but haven't really seen a difference vs. the towel, but I'll go back to using the t-shirt for awhile just to see if it makes a difference. Just ordered a flour sack towel pack to try.

Thanks for all the help ladies!
Helpful response, thanks.

The properties you are seeking primarily come from fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants, again your Shea Moisture is not really supplying that, it's more occlusive with oils and butters being ingredients two three and four. Certain oils do help with slip, enough water helps with the seaweedy feeling, an acidic pH for detangling and softness/ silkiness.

"Deionized Water, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter)*, Argan Oil, Coconut Oil*, Behentrimonium Chloride, Essential Oil Blend, Vegetable Glycerin, Emulsifying Wax, Sea Kelp Extract, Panthenol (Vitamin B‐5), Avocado Oil, Lonicera Caprifolium (Honeysuckle) Flower (and) Lonicera Japonica (Japanese Honeysuckle) Flower extract, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed Oil."
SheaMoisture Organic Raw Shea Butter Restorative Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com

If you like the slip and detangling of the Knot Today you might try making a version of Kimmaytube's leave in, should be able to find recipes online. Be careful not to overuse shea butter, it doesn't really penetrate, can be sticky rather than slippy and does build up for some people.

With seborrhoeic dermatitis limit oils and butters rich in oleic acid (irritant waste product of malassezia), limit stearic and palmitic acids (feed malassezia). The only sulphate free shampoo that might work for SD that I know of is Regenepure which contains the anti fungal ketoconazole. The rest of the time it's worth trying to respect the protective acid mantle/ beneficial skin flora with products at pH 4.5 to 5.5

And don't forget protein.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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Old 07-06-2013, 12:32 AM   #11
 
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I will have to try that! I actually have all the ingredients but aloe juice. Thank you so much for all of the helpful info.
Time to start researching things! I am almost out of all my products so it's time to try new stuff. Any other recommendations?
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