Tons of Frizz

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I've been modified CG for about a year now and had a big chop to take off six inches of severe damage two months ago. Since my chop, my hair (now APL with shrinkage) curls so much better and am getting awesome clumping. I'm really pleased. My only issue is that my hair is so frizzy. I hate it. I have 3a/b curls. My routine is cowash with EBW Co wash, condition with aussie moist, leave in aussie moist, SM raw sheat butter finishing elixir as my oil, and then LA Looks sport gel (the blue one.) I've tried other combos, especially the SM line. I really love it. But not matter what I try, my hair is ridiculously frizzy, especially my second day hair. Any advice? Is there another product line that may help more? Maybe I should try a mousse instead of a gel?

ETA: I should note that it is hot and humid in my area causing a lot of frizz issues. I now have minimal damage. I have course, medium porosity hair that loves oils.

Last edited by Aingeal; 07-21-2014 at 05:34 PM. Reason: forgot something
I think some of your products may contain Silicones. Could silicone buildup be causing you some frizz?
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Definitely clarify and then take a break from anything with cones and Shea butter for a little while and see if things get better. Let us know how it goes.
Location For Dew Points: Michigan
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Low Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Clarifier: CHS Treatment Shampoo
Rinse Out: CJ Argan, CJ Rehab
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Beauticurls, CJ Argan, CJ Rehab
Protein: SSPRT, CJ Repair Me
DT: CJ Rehab, Coconut Oil Pre-Poos
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG

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Hmmm....I know that Aussie has some cones. I don't know about SM. I think I'll pop over to Target and get some kccc. I do have some kckt that I can use as my leave in. maybe I should try a different condish too. Ive used Aussie for years so its hard to let go. Lol
What are your thoughts on protein? Adding weekly protein treatments to my routine cut a lot of frizz. My other problem was oil content- too much oil (or butters) gives me frizz like that.

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3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity?
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: Coconut Oil overnight, or a greek yogurt mixture
Shampoo: Curls Cleanser and/or clarifier
Conditioner: trying out different Suave Naturals conditioners and GVP's leave-in conditioner at the moment
Styler: iagirl's super smooth flax curl cream. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month
DT: conditioner or yogurt base with honey and oil if the conditioner has none.
SM line doesn't have cones but has shea butter that builds up for many. I used to have terrible 2nd hair until I switched to distilled water wet spray with Desert Essence coconut curl cream. Omg this thing hydrates without weighting down. It's smell is strong but it's the only thing I use on refreshing my curls.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
I had no idea build up could cause frizz. Its been forever since my last real shampoo. Going to do that. I've never really done a protein treatment. Ive always shied away from it. What are your recommendations for protein?
Oh I had a terrible build issue early on my cg journey. Having a tangle mess in the shower and it becoming more tangled the more you added condish. I got so scared lol.

Recently I did my first full strength protein treatment. I got some stiffness but my RO could handle it. On a week bases I do a DT with some protein heavy conditioner diluted with water and a good amount of coconut oil leaving it overnight or longer.

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M+C/ii, high porosity, medium elasticity, growing out color and heat damage.
2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014

Last edited by KaZenner1990; 07-22-2014 at 02:49 PM.
Ok so I'm starting a new routine today. I'm going to shampoo my hair to start. I bought some suave tropical coconut condish. I researched it and it seems to be free from most cones. I think there is one water soluble one. I couldn't find VO5 anywhere. I also got EBW tee tree oil. I'm going to try using the new condish as my leave in with the new oil and gel. maybe the lack of Shea and a good poo will help!
I'm so sorry, aingeal- I didn't see your response. My preferred PT is iagirl's gelatin treatment from science-y hair blog. However, what I've noticed here is that it can be problematic for European curlies because knox unflavored, powdered gelatin is not available. I liked the aphogee 2 step treatment, but just read somewhere that the followup moisture step isn't cg friendly if you follow cg. You can just use your rinse out though instead of their provided step.

I plan on trying some of the Curl Junkie treatments at some point- Curl Rehab or Repair Me! I think are the product names.

I hope you like the Suave coconut- I also really like the Suave naturals Everlasting Sunshine conditioner.
3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity?
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: Coconut Oil overnight, or a greek yogurt mixture
Shampoo: Curls Cleanser and/or clarifier
Conditioner: trying out different Suave Naturals conditioners and GVP's leave-in conditioner at the moment
Styler: iagirl's super smooth flax curl cream. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month
DT: conditioner or yogurt base with honey and oil if the conditioner has none.
What are your thoughts on protein? Adding weekly protein treatments to my routine cut a lot of frizz. My other problem was oil content- too much oil (or butters) gives me frizz like that.

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Originally Posted by lolo918
Well protein treatments aren't good you suppose to do those every 6-8 weeks because they can cause your hair to be hard and break off easily
What are your thoughts on protein? Adding weekly protein treatments to my routine cut a lot of frizz. My other problem was oil content- too much oil (or butters) gives me frizz like that.

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Originally Posted by lolo918
Well protein treatments aren't good you suppose to do those every 6-8 weeks because they can cause your hair to be hard and break off easily
Originally Posted by lalame
This isn't true at all for me. I actually have better moisture retention, less breakage, and therefore more length retention with weekly protein treatments. There are no hard and fast rules for any haircare in my book because it's not a one size fits all equation. Let me give you one piece of evidence that my hair likes weekly PT's: I trimmed my hair about 2-3 weeks ago and when I pull my hairs down to check, they are already longer than they were before I trimmed.
3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity?
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: Coconut Oil overnight, or a greek yogurt mixture
Shampoo: Curls Cleanser and/or clarifier
Conditioner: trying out different Suave Naturals conditioners and GVP's leave-in conditioner at the moment
Styler: iagirl's super smooth flax curl cream. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month
DT: conditioner or yogurt base with honey and oil if the conditioner has none.
Being from europe I can find powder gelatin but maybe I was lucky.

Also lolo is right. There isn't something written in stone. For instance my low porosity.roots.adore.protein. Also I did a full strength protein treatment on every part.of my head dyed.or.not.and I got.only some.minor.stiffness and also less sheding so basically you listen to what your hair wants.

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2C/3A Botticelli/Corkicelli.Color Treated
M/C, Medium/High Por, Normal Elast. Medium Density
CO: Conditioner with Wheat Protein and Aloe
DET/RO/LI: GNC Avocado And Shea Butter Conditioner
GEL: Schwarzkopf Taft Maxx Power
DT: Gliss Untimate Volume+Coconut Oil

HG
Goal: WL when curly
CG since Feb 2014
It worked!! I clarified with an sls poo and began using Suave condish. Almost no frizz!! I'm now on third day hair (OMG that has never happened!) Most of the clumping is gone, so it's more of a poof of awesome curliness. By midday today I had to put it up as it's been really hot, so I just did a quick tuck and roll. Held with three bobby pins and still no frizz. Yay!! Going to post a few pics in the main forum in a bit, but here's one from today.


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What are your thoughts on protein? Adding weekly protein treatments to my routine cut a lot of frizz. My other problem was oil content- too much oil (or butters) gives me frizz like that.

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Originally Posted by lolo918
Well protein treatments aren't good you suppose to do those every 6-8 weeks because they can cause your hair to be hard and break off easily
Originally Posted by lalame
This isn't true at all for me. I actually have better moisture retention, less breakage, and therefore more length retention with weekly protein treatments. There are no hard and fast rules for any haircare in my book because it's not a one size fits all equation. Let me give you one piece of evidence that my hair likes weekly PT's: I trimmed my hair about 2-3 weeks ago and when I pull my hairs down to check, they are already longer than they were before I trimmed.
Originally Posted by lolo918
That's very interesting do you use natural things like egg and mayo or do you use store bought like aphogee for example?
That's very interesting do you use natural things like egg and mayo or do you use store bought like aphogee for example?
Originally Posted by lalame
I don't use mayo on my hair- it's got next to no protein in it and is more oil than anything. It makes my hair feel hard, dry, and left a residue even after I rinsed well. I haven't done egg- I stick to gelatin which is hydrolyzed collagen. From what I understand the proteins in an egg are too large to really penetrate the hair so it's less of a benefit.

I do really love unflavored gelatin treatments though (Science-y Hair Blog is where I get my recipe from). I like that I can control the contents- I haven't tried really any store bought treatments other than the aphogee 2 step. It was wasn't bad, just not better than gelatin for my hair. I do want to try some of the curl junkie products at some point when I'm not trying to keep hair costs to a minimum. This is the link to the recipe: Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects, you have to scroll down a little before you actually see the recipe, or you can google iagirl's protein treatment. Before I was CG, I used the ORS Replenishing pacs. They are a moisture and protein in one step product too, but it has silicones so I haven't revisited. I used that for years when I was relaxing my hair too.
3C/4A, fine texture, low-medium density, and low porosity?
CG since November 2013.

Pre-Poo: Coconut Oil overnight, or a greek yogurt mixture
Shampoo: Curls Cleanser and/or clarifier
Conditioner: trying out different Suave Naturals conditioners and GVP's leave-in conditioner at the moment
Styler: iagirl's super smooth flax curl cream. <3
PT: iagirl's gelatin treatment 3-4 times a month
DT: conditioner or yogurt base with honey and oil if the conditioner has none.
You could get a spray bottle of water to refresh your curls while not washing them?
Hope this helped
Pearl 😄
I use gel to keep down frizz.
That's very interesting do you use natural things like egg and mayo or do you use store bought like aphogee for example?
Originally Posted by lalame
I don't use mayo on my hair- it's got next to no protein in it and is more oil than anything. It makes my hair feel hard, dry, and left a residue even after I rinsed well. I haven't done egg- I stick to gelatin which is hydrolyzed collagen. From what I understand the proteins in an egg are too large to really penetrate the hair so it's less of a benefit.

I do really love unflavored gelatin treatments though (Science-y Hair Blog is where I get my recipe from). I like that I can control the contents- I haven't tried really any store bought treatments other than the aphogee 2 step. It was wasn't bad, just not better than gelatin for my hair. I do want to try some of the curl junkie products at some point when I'm not trying to keep hair costs to a minimum. This is the link to the recipe: Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects, you have to scroll down a little before you actually see the recipe, or you can google iagirl's protein treatment. Before I was CG, I used the ORS Replenishing pacs. They are a moisture and protein in one step product too, but it has silicones so I haven't revisited. I used that for years when I was relaxing my hair too.
Originally Posted by lolo918
What's your hair type I have course 4a

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