My hair is TOO soft!

Is it because the COs I've been using are too moisturizing? (Elucence and One C)

What's the best way to fix this -- ACV rinse or low poo? Or something else?

How can I prevent it in the future?

It feels great, but looks like caca. Why is his always the way??? When my hair feels producty and stiff, it looks good...

My styling products tend to be a little One C mixed with Angell, turbaned and air dried/diffused.

Never thought I'd be complaining about *too soft* hair...two months ago it felt like SOS.
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

IMO , i think both ACV and poo can do the job.
ACV as u know removes build-up - maybe thats a better option?
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I agree with Oddisy.

Also, to prevent overconditioning in the future, maybe you should rotate in some thinner conditioners like Suave Aloe. One C is really hard core. Also, to eliminate any crunch in your styling products, dilute them, especially gel. There is a huge difference in how hair feels with straight gel applied to it as opposed to watered down gel, even if you are applying it to damp hair -the watering down of gel kicks down the crunch factor (which leads to hardness) yet still retains full hold.
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So what exactly does 'over condition' mean? I thought it meant too much gunk and build-up. But does it actually mean too soft? My hair feels so clean and combable and super, super soft. I just run my fingers right through it and the curls in that section are gone.

I just can't believe I couldn't 'handle' One C and Elucence. I thought my hair was dryer and tougher than anybody's! I thought I could play with the big boys. LOL

But that's a good idea, Curltopia -- use a lighter co sometimes. Of all the Suaves (and there are A LOT) why do you recommend Aloe?
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

I think that super soft limp hair is a sign of over conditioning. It's like your hair strands are crying out "enough, enough, already of a good thing"

I think that Suave Aloe is more light than Coconut or Milk & Honey, and all 3 of them are my faves. Aloe is also protein-free I believe, and perhaps a touch more "weak." I've tried Citrus Smoothie and just didn't like it, which probably means it is weaker than the Aloe So, maybe you can try that one too..

As for One C and Elucence, they are indeed big and bad ....
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I have ridiculously soft hair too, but in my case I don't think it is over-conditioning. I've always had soft hair like this. I have tried rinsing out all my conditioner or using lighter conditioners, and it never worked for me because my hair would then feel rough and frizzy and would break. I definitely need to leave in a lot of conditioner. The bottom half of my hair is permed so it would be hard to overcondition it, I think. I am just learning to appreciate my soft, touchable hair and be thankful for it. I agree it can be annoying, especially when I wear it straight and there are fine little pieces blowing in my face and tickling me. Mine never gets soft to the point that it doesn't hold a curl, but it just doesn't lie nicely.
Attempting to grow out years of tight spiral perms, so not sure of my hair type? Multiracial medium texture but very thick spirals, maybe 3B, maybe 3A/B? It's chestnut brown and down to my shoulder blades, bra strap length when wet or straight.
Thank you so much Spiderlashes and everyone for such a helpful thread. I think I've posted on other threads about how I am having the same problem of super-soft, overconditioned hair, (were you the one who called it cotton-candy hair, Spiderlashes?) and I've even been using the same products-- OC and ELucence. So I'm going to try some Suave again too.

Today I experiemented with rinsing out all my conditioner and using Hypo Gel. I thougth straight gel would be a non-no for my naturally frizzy hair, but it feels soft and *looks nice!* curly, not frizzy.
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Urban -- Yes, I am the user of the term "cotton candy hair."

I just looked at your pics, Urban. Your hair is very pretty, especially in the "Honey" album. Our hair isn't identical, but yours is probably the closest to mine that i've seen in all the pics/albums on this board. Your curls are better defined, more spirally. Mine is more wavy than spirally. But they are somewhat similar. (I don't see cotton candy head anywhere on yours, except for sort of in the naked hair pics.)

I will post an album soon. Well, I might do it tonight. At this point i just have a few random pics to put in it.

I'm biracial and from NYC, too. And my parents thought of naming me the same name as yours. heehee

Blech. I've been bunning it for the past three days. I ordered some new stuff (hopefully will arrive early next week). I'll keep playing around with the few products I currently have (Deva and Elucence). I'm also wondering if my diffusing technique has something to do with cotton candy head -- modified PixieCurl technique.

I'm going to for forego it tomorrow and see what happens. I will also try the molasses I just bought...specifically for this purpose. Maybe it will add more weight and definition to it.

My hair is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soft. I just touch it and the curliness falls right out...
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

Urban -- Yes, I am the user of the term "cotton candy hair."

I just looked at your pics, Urban. Your hair is very pretty, especially in the "Honey" album. Our hair isn't identical, but yours is probably the closest to mine that i've seen in all the pics/albums on this board. Your curls are better defined, more spirally. Mine is more wavy than spirally. But they are somewhat similar. (I don't see cotton candy head anywhere on yours, except for sort of in the naked hair pics.)

I will post an album soon. Well, I might do it tonight. At this point i just have a few random pics to put in it.

I'm biracial and from NYC, too. And my parents thought of naming me the same name as yours. heehee

Blech. I've been bunning it for the past three days. I ordered some new stuff (hopefully will arrive early next week). I'll keep playing around with the few products I currently have (Deva and Elucence). I'm also wondering if my diffusing technique has something to do with cotton candy head -- modified PixieCurl technique.

I'm going to for forego it tomorrow and see what happens. I will also try the molasses I just bought...specifically for this purpose. Maybe it will add more weight and definition to it.

My hair is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo soft. I just touch it and the curliness falls right out...
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
Spiderlashes,

I hope you do make an album soon!!!!! I really want to see your hair.
I haven't posted any of the cotton candy pics yet (though my overconditioned hair does look more like my naked hair than any of my other pics)-- I'm hoping it will pass soon and I won't have to! I guess the OC and Elucence are just too much for me on a daily basis.

I don't know about diffusing as I haven't used a dryer for a long time. Today, the no condish, only gel, feels like a break, and I'm going to get some Suave conditioner today. What products did you order??? Are you using styling products?

I bet you will like the molasses. I've heard it has a similar effect as honey, and without the honey, when I use Elucence, I get the super-soft, light, fly-away, no curls, cotton candy hair. But rather than just adding honey so that my hair looks good when I use Elucence, I want to make sure that I do not continue overconditioning it. So my plan is to try lighter conditioners as leave-ins and on some days, don't use a leave-in, just a styler. I thought frizzy hair=dry hair and that I needed to use the richest conditioners possible!

How funny, you almost got the same name as me! I actually grew up in Chicago, but I've lived in NYC since 1997. You're lucky you were raised here. It felt more like home here immediately than it ever did in the midwest. Got all that Oreo, 1/2 and 1/2, Zebra crap in Chi.
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Urban -- you don't diffuse it? How do you get it dry? You have a lot of hair! I wish I didn't have to diffuse but I cannot wait around for hours with wet hair. It makes me cold.

I ordered the Jessicurl try everything pack -- all of her products. And DevaCurl Set It Free. I got the Set it free specifically for 2nd day hair. It's a shot in the dark, no clue really what its texture is or how it works.

I don't use any styling products except a tiny bit of co mixed with Angell -- either One C or Elucence. Well, actually I tried Boots mixed with Angell, too. If I use One C or Elucence as leave-ins, they exacerbate my cotton candy problem. My hair appears to be very porous and it just absorbs, absorbs, absorbs everything. I tried using jojoba oil mixed with the co/Angell mix and it was bad -- like i'd used a half jar of AfroShheen or something. My hair is too temperamental!
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

Urban -- you don't diffuse it? How do you get it dry? You have a lot of hair! I wish I didn't have to diffuse but I cannot wait around for hours with wet hair. It makes me cold.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
This is my issue, too. I'd love to know the answer!

I get the cotton candy look from things my hair doesn't like, such as jojoba oil, thus I had one big head of cotton candy with Jessicurl. It's fine with any other oil. Maybe your hair doesn't like olive or coconut oil, as they are in Elucence. My hair loves those and behaves very well with them!
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Urban -- you don't diffuse it? How do you get it dry? You have a lot of hair! I wish I didn't have to diffuse but I cannot wait around for hours with wet hair. It makes me cold.
Originally Posted by spiderlashes5000
This is my issue, too. I'd love to know the answer!

I get the cotton candy look from things my hair doesn't like, such as jojoba oil, thus I had one big head of cotton candy with Jessicurl. It's fine with any other oil. Maybe your hair doesn't like olive or coconut oil, as they are in Elucence. My hair loves those and behaves very well with them!
Originally Posted by Amneris
my hair only gets cotton candyish w no products. if i have bad products for my hair it gets either greasy or crunchy. My hair loves elucence and one C, and I use the suave and vo5 for washing. i always air dry because my hair is really thin and I am too klutzy to figure out the diffuser thing, but it takes a long time with all the products in it. it is amazing how quick it dries without product tho--only about 1 hr or less!! My hair does not like jessicurl much either. loves boots tho, both the pink and white, and the creams like recoil and being gutsy and i just tried tony and guy moisture injection balm which is a lot like boots. anything that is like boots is good for my hair, then i use CK on top and some light gel. I am really enjoying the ORS loc and twist too tho but as a solo product without the others. still learning....
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How do I get it dry? In the warmer months (and I'm moving to FL soon so they will all be warm ) I just don't worry aobut it. If I wake up and shower 2 hours before I have to be somewhere, my hair won't be dripping wet when I leave-- wet or damp, but I'll go out like that. If I use certain product combos though, like lots of leave-in with gel on top, it does stay wet longer. But I'm experimenting with just one or the other and my hair dries faster. I just prefer it so much air-dried that it's worth the wait for me. And it's an adventure everyday-- "how's my hair gonna dry today?" I've been getting off on trying something new and leaving the house before it's dry-- I am just wild and crazy, LOL! I just feel like blowdrying is a big hassle and I'd rather not use heat.

In the winter, I almost always wash/condition the night before. It's usually still damp in the morning, or I'll dampen it if it looks scraggly, and I'll put a knit hat on just before I leave and take it off right when I get to work (usually just a 15-30 minute commute, so it's kinda like plopping). I get a lot more 2nd day hair where I don't have to wet it at all in the winter too. I'll also do stuff like wear 2 braids, or keep a cute knit hat on all day.

Amneris, I wish I could pinpoiont which ingredients my hair doesn't like. I'm not sure if it's olive or coconut oil yet, bc/ I think I've used them in other products... Gotta keep experiementing I guess.
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Re: airdrying, I also turn the air conditioning unit/fan on the highest setting while I am getting ready.

Today's experiment, Suave Milk 'n Honey as a leave-in, is no good. Hair gone bad.

Interesting though, my SO told me today that he loves the way my hair has been looking lately (big, not very clumped), that he likes it *better* than when it looked "...more stuck together, harder, with bigger curls." That was when I was using Suave Humectant as a leave-in and I loved my hair that way!
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Cotton candy here, too! It's the summer humidity combined with the good conditioner. I miss my pretty winter curls.

One thing that helps me with over-conditioning is watering down my conditioners in my hand before putting them in my hair. Gel helps, too. That's all I know.

I'll be standing by hoping that you guys figure out the answer!
Chocolatecurls that is a good idea! I am gonna try that.
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HAHA with the help of two fellow boardies (shall I name them? OK, urbancurl and zsazsa) I found relief from cottonhair.

Molasses!

Used with my regular condish it was OK.

But used in combo with my leave-in styling products, it was very, very good! Thanks, ladies!

My routine this morning:

wash with no-poo
Condish with One C
squeeze out some water
add a mixture of One C (tiny amount), Angell and molasses
scrunch
scrunch with towel
air dry and diffuse (mostly using the Pixiecurl method -- I really wanted to air dry completely but i was running late for work)
stopped diffusing at about 80% dry.


It looked very good. Still sort of soft, in a way, but with definite form, and no crunchiness (but I don't mind crunchiness so I would care about that anyway).

I may have to switch to using honey because when the molasses combo drips on the bathroom floor, it looks as though someone has very poor diarrhea management skills...

But it's working great. Too bad I chopped two inches off of it this weekend in frustration. Oh, well...

Go molasses!
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

Bumping for newbies.... and to see how people are feeling about this issue now
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The only thing I can say is it sounds like your hair needs protein. Maybe a protein treatment would help. I use Ion, loads of people love Aphogee but I haven't tried that yet. Sometimes when hair needs protein it gets overly soft....that's how some people know that they need a treatment. Make sure to follow up with a DT. HTH
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I think what Pokohontas said about using protein is a good idea. When I used Abba Nourish, which has several kinds of protein, for the first time, my hair came out amazing and had weight to it. I have not had it come out so dramatically nice using that conditioner as I did the first time, so I think my hair really needed the protein.

Also, the thread, "the stearalkonium chloride factor" that Erica started on the main board has been very helpful. I will look for it and edit in a link if I find it. I think my hair gets too soft from certain conditioners that have that ingredient and other softening ingredients (behentrimonium chloride, cetrimonium chloride) high up in the ingredients list. So I've been paying attention to that too, and the cotton candy hair has been way less of a problem.
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