Hair product hunt...

Okay everyone, this pic (I hope it copies properly!!) is taken from curltopia's wonderfully massive thread and the woman is more or less my curl twin, so I'm wondering...

http://www.curlyhair.net/Fav-l01/bhc0713.jpg

Which styling products would you use for this hair (not necessarily trying to duplicate this look exactly - I'd like more curl definition)?

My hair is nowhere near her length though - shoulder length when wet, comes to an inch or so below my ears when dry.

Things I've already tried and had a "meh" reaction to:
- coconut oil/honey
- Joico Ice Whip
- Jessicurl products
- Aussie Tizz No Frizz
- Curl Keeper (just tried once, when I went to Jonathan Torch's salon)
- a few others that I'm sure I'm forgetting...

I'm looking for something that is relatively easily accessible (i.e. drugstore, Trade Secrets, etc., rather than online - too impatient to wait for things to get to Canada!!).

Thanks very much for your help, all!!
3B med. length. Very coarse and steel wool-ish, but getting better! Modified CG since Mar. 24/04!
You've said that you want styling products to emulate the look in that picture - but that doesn't give me enough to go on.... Are you aiming for a natural look with soft curls How much moisture do you need, and how much control The more specific you can be in your request, the more that we can try to help you or offer suggestions

Also, tell us more about why exactly those other products failed you, since it will give us important clues as to your hair type and condition. The picture is a helpful start but we need to know more...
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"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
Hi Curltopia,

Thanks for replying.

I actually don't really want to emulate that look - but the hair in that pic is basically what my hair looks like when I don't have the right products in (frizzy, curls are there, but not much definition). So, I'm trying to stay AWAY from that look!!!

In answer to your other questions, I think I need A LOT of moisture. For example, Jessicurl's Too Shea, which is supposed to be the heavy duty conditioner in her line, felt like I was barely moisturizing my hair at all!! I don't need too much control, if hold is what you mean by control. As long as there is nice curl definition.

Things I've already tried and had a "meh" reaction to:
- coconut oil/honey (not enough definition)
- Joico Ice Whip (canopy frizz)
- Jessicurl products (canopy frizz)
- Aussie Tizz No Frizz (complete, all-over, disgusting ball of frizz)
- Curl Keeper (just tried once, when I went to Jonathan Torch's salon) (made my hair feel very dry and brittle)
- a few others that I'm sure I'm forgetting...

I'm looking for something that is relatively easily accessible (i.e. drugstore, Trade Secrets, etc., rather than online - too impatient to wait for things to get to Canada!!).

Thanks very much for your help, all!!
Originally Posted by Q-tip head
3B med. length. Very coarse and steel wool-ish, but getting better! Modified CG since Mar. 24/04!
Honestly, technique of what you do to your hair may serve you better than products - that's the case for me (and I too found Too Shea not nearly enough moisture.) A conditioner that you do like might be the best trick to curl definition - it is for me. Also experiment with when and how you apply products and dry your hair and how to manipulate wet hair - everyone is different, but I think when you get your routine down, it may not matter so much what products you use as long as they are moisturizing and don't have ingredients that bother your hair.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











Grr!!! I had a feeling that someone would say it's my technique (or lack thereof), because I thought that to myself as well...

Sigh. Back to trying to "style" my hair with these stinkin' butterfingers.
3B med. length. Very coarse and steel wool-ish, but getting better! Modified CG since Mar. 24/04!
Hi Curltopia,

Thanks for replying.

I actually don't really want to emulate that look - but the hair in that pic is basically what my hair looks like when I don't have the right products in (frizzy, curls are there, but not much definition). So, I'm trying to stay AWAY from that look!!!

In answer to your other questions, I think I need A LOT of moisture. For example, Jessicurl's Too Shea, which is supposed to be the heavy duty conditioner in her line, felt like I was barely moisturizing my hair at all!! I don't need too much control, if hold is what you mean by control. As long as there is nice curl definition. [easily accessible (i.e. drugstore, Trade Secrets, etc., rather than online - too impatient to wait for things to get to Canada!!).
Originally Posted by Q-tip head
Oh, ok. I have a better understanding of what you want now.......... High quality moisture from drugstore products is not going to be that easy to achieve. I would recommend the Nuetrogena Triple Moisture line of conditioners and stylers if you are washing your hair every now and then (because there are cones that can build up). Also, any Suave condish kicked up with honey or molasses and maybe some oil should help.

I agree with Amneris that technique is really important, but products can go a long way too.... As a matter of technique, if you are not presently applying moisturizing products (including creams and oils) to your hair at night and sleeping in them for "overnight moisturizing" you should start. And you should probably leave in some Suave coconut condish if you are not using a leave-in right now.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
So, if I wanted to start putting oils in my (dry?) hair at night, do you just very carefully comb it out then put some oil in and then what? Put a scarf on?? I'm sure your (curltopia and Amneris) hair does the same thing as mine when I comb it out (gets ENORMOUSLY big and fluffy!!!), so I guess that's why I'd put a scarf on my head???

Help please!!!

In case you're wondering about my complete ignorance about hair care, let me give you a bit of background info. My Jamaican mom was in complete denial about her (part) black heritage and clung desperately to her (part) white heritage. (I know this is horrible and I'm not even going to attempt to make excuses for her, because I disagree with her mentality while she was growing up). At any rate, she taught me nothing about how to deal with my hair, which of course resulted in many, MANY bad, frizzy years and the emotional damage of having your mom say that she hates your hair (!?!?), etc., etc.

So, anyway, long story short, please forgive my seemingly ignorant questions!!
3B med. length. Very coarse and steel wool-ish, but getting better! Modified CG since Mar. 24/04!
This is what I do. I brush the oils through dry hair (you can comb if you'd rather), then I braid into 6-8 very loose braids, tie with pantyhose, tie on a silk scarf, and sleep on a satin pillowcase (this is very important for smooth hair if you don't already.) My hair is pretty big all the time, but combing or brushing doesn't really affect that because I do it very gently in very small sections, bottom up, with a lot of moisturizer, and pull it smooth, and then brush it down to flatten after. I usually twist it for a bit after, too. Takes a long time though.

I have never got adequate moisture from anything in the drugstore. It's worth your money to get an excellent conditioner. I like Elucence, the new Curls Asian Tea, the Regis Design Line Olive, and I have heard good things about Tigi Moisture Maniac - I have it but haven't used it in forever.
Oil-wise, I like straight olive oil or any of the ORS blends - the carrot oil or olive oil treatments. Sometimes coconut oil.

As to your mother, being West Indian, I totally understand where that mentality comes from and I'm sorry that the world creates a situation like that. You're not alone - I've heard many similar stories.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











So, if I wanted to start putting oils in my (dry?) hair at night, do you just very carefully comb it out then put some oil in and then what? Put a scarf on?? I'm sure your (curltopia and Amneris) hair does the same thing as mine when I comb it out (gets ENORMOUSLY big and fluffy!!!), so I guess that's why I'd put a scarf on my head???

Help please!!!
Originally Posted by Q-tip head
Amneris is the QUEEN of oils, so I am sure that she will post a long set of instructions and how-tos for you As for me, I just smooth some light oil into dry hair and tie it back so it doesn't get on my face or bother my combination skin... I DO NOT BRUSH DRY HAIR and really do not see that it is necessary at all. The oil should soak right into your hair, and YOU CAN WETBRUSH the next morning when your hair is coated with conditioner, for detangling and clumping.

As for your mom not giving you any guidance, that sucks but there is plenty to be found here If you've not already read my Who else is a 3b/c thread or, better yet, Amneris's classic 3c information thread!! then you should do that right away. Those threads are full of information about products, routines and techniques.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
The curls in that pic remind me of the effects of a twist out with fairly large twists, more so than the type of product that was used. If I had enough hair to twist out I'd use a good leave in and some setting lotion so when I fluffed it out it wouldn't go all frizzy...oh and a little oil.
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Adding a little molasses to my styling products helped rid me of poofy cotton candy hair.

Oh yeah, I thought my hair was dryer than straw and that I needed uber moisture...but as it turns out, it's actually very susceptible to overconditioning. My damaged ends were causing the frizz and making me think my whole head was dry.
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

i've gotten fantastic results with herbal essenses humidity defying gel. great shine, curl definition, and frizz control.
3b. Tight, brown corkscrew ringlets; down to the middle of my back with sideswept bangs that I "straighten" by tucking behind my ear while drying.
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