Why can't my curls be natural???

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Ok. I plan on washing my press out tomorrow. I had good results with Pantene's conditioner (as a detangler), so I bought Pantene Pro-V Smooth Start this past week. So, I'm going to give it a try (as a leave-in). So I'll post pics of my dry hair and how I liked the pantene ASAP. I'll prob. order some shea butter, and make a concoction of my own, b/c I notice that I like my hair the way it looks an hour after shampooing, but then the moisture evaporates and my hair shrinks and frizzes up. I definitely need some sort of product that moisturizes, seals, and locks it in without making it crunchy. At this point, I know, beggers can't be choosers.

So, as far as the products you listed, do any of them moisturize/seal the hair shaft?
Hi and welcome Msdeeva. Your hair looks pretty and I'm also looking forward to seeing pics of it dry. I'm not sure what to recommend yet as far as products go... but it sounds like a conditioner or leave-in conditioner with a gel over it might be a combo that you would like. The conditioner to add mositure, and the gel to seal it in.
"It is wrong to use moral means to preserve immoral ends." MLK, Jr.

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Hi and welcome Msdeeva. Your hair looks pretty and I'm also looking forward to seeing pics of it dry. I'm not sure what to recommend yet as far as products go... but it sounds like a conditioner or leave-in conditioner with a gel over it might be a combo that you would like. The conditioner to add mositure, and the gel to seal it in.
Originally Posted by urbancurl
Thanks! Unfortunately, I've tried that, but I haven't found a thick enough conditioner that can hydrate my hair efficiently, and prevent the frizzies all day. I have a thin hair shaft, and I've noticed that I need an exorbitant amount of moisture. I was searching the web a couple of days ago and found something on shea butter's moisturizing properties. I'll probably have to end up experimenting with my own concoction, b/c I haven't found any consumable product that works yet.
Hi,

I'm new to this forum, but I decided to register b/c this thread really intrigued me. Like many of you, I was always asked of my ethnic heritage in grade school, but just kind of dismissed it. It didn't help when my mother, who is African American, but looks racially ambiguous (translation: white), used to come visit me at school. I got the "Is your Mom white?" questions, and the girls always trying to feel my hair. My paternal aunt even had something to say when washing my hair one day: "You have a perm don't you."

It wasn't until college, though, that I started experimenting with wearing my hair natural. I haven't found the right products yet that allow me to wear my natural hair down without frizzing up. I have a thin hair shaft, that quite obviously needs to retain moisture. When my hair is straight, the length is 3-4 inches from the top of my butt. When my hair is soaked, it comes to the middle of my back. But after a few hours, it rides a bit past my shoulders.

If anyone has any hair products that can possibly keep moisture/define my curls, I will forever be indebted to them. Like someone before, I went on Nappturality.com and couldn't navigate to any useful information pertaining to my hair type.

I will be posting a pic as soon as I get a chance.

As a side note: I even tried to make my hair into an afro one day, and it wouldn't work. *shrug*
Originally Posted by msdeeva
welcome to the forum!! Post a picture and here curlies will suggest what products will suit your hair .
Originally Posted by Colocha
Ok. I'm really shy, and have never done this before So here goes. Here's a link to my pic: http://www.geocities.com/tiffsbiz/curly.JPG

The pic was taken 1 hour after I washed my hair and used Curly Hair Solutions Curl Keeper. Keep in mind that my hair wasn't done with the "shrinking process." I was too lazy to set my hair with the blow dryer, so I just put it in a ponytail.

If any of you know any products that will tame my hair, Please Help. The description of my hair is above. Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted by msdeeva
the link doesnt work for me!
Sorry guys for the delay. I was having problems with my ISP. Apparently I had exceeded my bandwidth. Anyhoo, I uploaded a recent pic using the same method as a temporary fix. I'll look into alternative hosting a little later when I have more time.

This pic is of my hair when it dried. I used Binge Hair Pudding and and Marc Anthony Strictly Curls frizz sealing cream. I have to warn you against Binge though. Even though it seemed to work as far as hydrating - it does have petrolatum listed as one of the first ingredients, and I checked with this website put out by the Environmental Working Group called Skin Deep (website: http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep2/), which gave some questionable results about some of the chemicals used. So, needless to say, caution if you decide to use it. I also want to say, that most products on the market have been evaluated by this website, which I am definitley going to follow up with. Some of the popular beauty products have even worse safety ratings than the Hair Pudding. BTW: The Pantene Pro-V Smooth Start did not work at all.

Anyhow, here's my pic: http://www.geocities.com/tiffsbiz/curly1.JPG

I will be ordering some natural ingredients to make my own pudding and sealant in the coming weeks. I'll post my results, as well as successful recipes. If you have any questions, PM me.
Sorry guys for the delay. I was having problems with my ISP. Apparently I had exceeded my bandwidth. Anyhoo, I uploaded a recent pic using the same method as a temporary fix. I'll look into alternative hosting a little later when I have more time.

This pic is of my hair when it dried. I used Binge Hair Pudding and and Marc Anthony Strictly Curls frizz sealing cream. I have to warn you against Binge though. Even though it seemed to work as far as hydrating - it does have petrolatum listed as one of the first ingredients, and I checked with this website put out by the Environmental Working Group called Skin Deep (website: http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep2/), which gave some questionable results about some of the chemicals used. So, needless to say, caution if you decide to use it. I also want to say, that most products on the market have been evaluated by this website, which I am definitley going to follow up with. Some of the popular beauty products have even worse safety ratings than the Hair Pudding. BTW: The Pantene Pro-V Smooth Start did not work at all.

Anyhow, here's my pic: http://www.geocities.com/tiffsbiz/curly1.JPG

I will be ordering some natural ingredients to make my own pudding and sealant in the coming weeks. I'll post my results, as well as successful recipes. If you have any questions, PM me.
Originally Posted by msdeeva
wow thats dry hair?? you moisturize your hair super well!!

wow thats dry hair?? you moisturize your hair super well!!
Originally Posted by subbrock
It only lasts a day. I've got the big hair thing going now, since I'm not going anywhere . I'm in desperate need to find the perfect moisturizer. I'm working on a potential leave-in now. I saw ShyGirl's post on the perfect leave-in, so I went to Sally's for that Jamaican cactus stuff and that sparkle lites gel everyone's talking about. They had other Jamaican products, but no leave-in . I was so put off, I didn't even buy the gel.

Anyways, I'll be ordering my natural supplies this week. Wish me luck!

P.S. do any 3C/4A's have any good results with that Fantasia IC gel?
P.S. do any 3C/4A's have any good results with that Fantasia IC gel?

yes, i have! first, i use a "leave in" moisturizer, right now it's cantu shea butter moisturizer, and then i apply the gel mostly to my ends. it doesn't dry out my hair or leave it crunchy. i likey
a crazy 4a/3c mix
o/s; thin; thready/cottony?
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Natakue,

Your hair is so beautiful! Love your photos!
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People are stupid.

That is all.

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People are stupid.
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a crazy 4a/3c mix
o/s; thin; thready/cottony?
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This is a wonderful topic. We should keep bumping this.

I have dealt with this all my life as well. My mom relaxed my hair at a very young age and it had always been healthy and long. I always got the "you have white girl hair" comment, but I just ignored it. It wasn't until I got to college (a black college) and had to deal with people saying I thought I was "all that" and "her hair is a wig"...that I decided to cut it off. My hair was past the middle of my back (past my bra) and I went and got a fierce bob cut up to my ears. It was cute, still relaxed, and wouldn't you know it...I STILL GOT THE SAME DAMN COMMENTS!!!

During my transition, no one believed that I was growing out my perm because my pressed hair looked just like the relaxed hair. I then received comments such as, "There is no way a black girl's pressed hair can straighten like that without chemicals..." Then...I was labled as being Dominican. I don't know where that came from.

I finally got all the relaxed ends cut off a few weeks ago and I went curly to work and every where else. I'm still being asked the same questions. If my hair is long and straight, it's white girl hair. If it's short and straight with bounce...it's still white girl hair. If it's natural...I'm mixed or Dominican. I've simply accepted the fact that some people are inquisitive and others are just plain ingnorant. No matter how much I try to alter my hair, I will continue to get same freakin' comments and questions. :-)

LOVE YOUR HAIR AND WHO YOU ARE LADIES!!! Some people will never accept that we as people are different.
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Originally Posted by kandesnb
What a great unoffical motto for the hair boards I like it!
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

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Thanks Let's just keep bumping this post.
Yooooo! Coily and Springy 3c!
Major PJ! Redken All Soft Conditioner & Biosilk Silk Therapy are my favorites!!

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If I could charge the people that asked me if I processed my hair or if I bought it by now,I would be able to afford a house in the Hollywood Hills. The funny part is, I have short hair,it's about chin length when it's curly. I work at a spa, and I was getting a treatment when one of the nurses asked me if my hair was real. When I responded with yes, she started rubbing my hair and scalp,positive that I was lying about something. The other R.N. asked me where I got my extentions done. When I told her it was my hair,she asked me if I was sure! She then proceeded to start touching my curls and responded with, "If this is your hair then it's so nice and soft. It doesn't look natural". What?All black people are supposed to have ugly,processed hair? People have asked me if I have Indian in me or "something else" all through college, and it annoys me. I think that the fact that I'm dark-skinned makes it worse. You can't be dark and have curly hair that's your own natural hair. It has to either be a chemical or store-bought. I don't have anything against people who wear weaves or extentions but I don't. I don't believe in walking around with something that's not mine but claiming it as my own.I love my hair and it took me years to finally accept it and truly be happy with it. People just get on my nerves sometimes.
If I could charge the people that asked me if I processed my hair or if I bought it by now,I would be able to afford a house in the Hollywood Hills. The funny part is, I have short hair,it's about chin length when it's curly. I work at a spa, and I was getting a treatment when one of the nurses asked me if my hair was real. When I responded with yes, she started rubbing my hair and scalp,positive that I was lying about something. The other R.N. asked me where I got my extentions done. When I told her it was my hair,she asked me if I was sure! She then proceeded to start touching my curls and responded with, "If this is your hair then it's so nice and soft. It doesn't look natural". What?All black people are supposed to have ugly,processed hair? People have asked me if I have Indian in me or "something else" all through college, and it annoys me. I think that the fact that I'm dark-skinned makes it worse. You can't be dark and have curly hair that's your own natural hair. It has to either be a chemical or store-bought. I don't have anything against people who wear weaves or extentions but I don't. I don't believe in walking around with something that's not mine but claiming it as my own.I love my hair and it took me years to finally accept it and truly be happy with it. People just get on my nerves sometimes.
Originally Posted by saronbella
It's frustrating but you have the right mindset. If I had only a nickel for all the times I have to hear a comment about my hair texture and how it's so much easier to deal with I could retire early. I don't like the implication that I am trying to be something that I'm not, when the truth of it is that I have accepted myself and my hair for what it is and have embraced it.
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Curlilocs,

GOOD for you! I hate when people try to box me in to accept soceital norms. I notice how whenever my hair is straight, so many non ethnic women (friends, co workers) RAVE over my hair and comment how, "You should wear it like that more often!" I usually reply with - I prefer my curly hair, I just wanted a change today. Or, my husband prefers my hair curly. I also notice that men notice me more too! AWFUL. It is like straight hair is GREAT hair - NOT!
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I think that the fact that I'm dark-skinned makes it worse. You can't be dark and have curly hair that's your own natural hair. It has to either be a chemical or store-bought.
Originally Posted by saronbella
You hit the nail on the head!!!!! I can TOTALLY relate.
But believe it or not...now that I'm natural, the vast majority (95%) of the stupid comments that I get are from other naturals who do not have curly hair. (Curly girls, permies, and weavies all have nothing but positive comments about my hair.)

I can't wait until my hair grows back to mid-back...I wonder what they'll say then...
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I have dealt with this too, unfortunately. I just did the BC a week ago and have been wearing it straight for the past week and when I told people I cut my hair to get the rest of the relaxer out, they were like oh well you must not have needed a relaxer anyways and you got good hair. My hair is very curly (3c/4a) but straightens very easily so when I was transitioning and now that I'm natural and wear it straight it looks EXACTLY the same as when I relaxed it. I personally think a lot of people would be suprised to find out that they too don't need chemicals to "manage" their hair.

Today is my first day wearing it natural and someone asked me if I put a curl in my hair. I wasn't sure if she really meant "jherri curl" so I just told her that I recently cut all my hair off to go natural so this was my hair chemical free.

When I told some of my friends I was going natural they responded "oh well you can do that because you have that good hair". I personally think it is very sad that many African Americans still carry this around with them. I can't believe that God would give an entire race "Bad hair".
I can't believe that God would give an entire race "Bad hair".
Originally Posted by curliej
"Good" and "Bad" are very subjective terms, especially when it comes to personal appearance/hair. And I'm not so sure what god has to do with it as hair is a matter of genetics-science.

Maybe type 4 hair is better adapted to harsh weather conditions in sub-saharan Africa where the hair type seems to have originated? (A similar argument can be extended to darker skin with a higher melanin count protecting against the blazing sun). Who knows?

I think the truth of the matter is that many black women don't know their true hair type. When they/we discover it, it might be a happy surprise or a disappointment, again, depending on what you find beautiful. (And I know there is a lot of social conditioning and brainwashing that coily-kinky, and also curly, hair is bad or inferior somehow, especially for women). Given all the social pressures, I think it is great to glorify a wide range of hair types and textures and I value the effort here at NC to do that - by posters and by Gretchen and Michelle.

As for this thread, I think it is positive, but parts of it seem to deny or show hostility to the basic fact that black women tend to be a multi-racial group, particularly in the US. Whether or not you can trace non-african heritage to your parents, grandparents, great great grands, etc.. if you have looser-curl type 3 (or wavy type 2) hair, as a black woman, most likely, your hair type (and maybe texture too) is coming from, or seriously influenced by, a non-african ancestor. I wish that it didn't have to be such a big deal, and that we could just accept the huge amount of physical diversity in the black community, and see that hair is just one aspect of beauty and one aspect of race/culture. Anyway, I am writing because of the quote that I put at the top of this post, and the real sense of push back in this thread against the basic concepts that 1) type 4 hair is unique to sub-saharan africans and 2) the wide diversity of hair types among black people most likely is the result of genetic admixing of the past (and sometimes present, in terms of our children, etc.). It's really not such a horrible thing to have such physical diversity within a community of people. What sucks is all of the social brainwashing and pressure to conform.

Climbing off of my soap box now... And EDITED to fix horrible typos, etc..
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

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