Why can't my curls be natural???

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I can't believe that God would give an entire race "Bad hair".
Originally Posted by curliej
"Good" and "Bad" are very subjective terms, especially when it comes to personal appearance/hair. And I'm not so sure what god has to do with it as hair is a matter of genetics-science.
Originally Posted by curltopia
I just took this quote because, as I'm sure you already know, if most people believe in God (with a big G) then God is in everything, including genetics-science. Being born is a miracle from God. Everything else you said I can relate to. This quote just stuck out to me and I had to say something.

But this is a hair board I'll take it back to hair.

It's really not such a horrible thing to have such physical diversity within a community of people. What sucks is all of the social brainwashing and pressure to conform.
Originally Posted by curltopia
True true. I think most posters, including myself, would agree. But people with "good" hair are sometimes thought of as less black. At least, where I'm living. Or that the only way to go natural is if you have curly hair. Which is also false.

I may be rambling because I just ate a lot If I don't make sense, PM me later
Thanks Bubbles. That is my view point as I believe in God and that he created us all in a very unique way for specific reasons.

But I also agree with the point that genetic mixing which is VERY common is the reason the hair type of really every race can vary so drastically.
most likely, your hair type (and maybe texture too) is coming from, or seriously influenced by, a non-african ancestor.
Originally Posted by curltopia
I dont think this is necessarily true.

If you look at the type of hair that Black Africans (who were born in Africa) have it ranges from type 1 to type 4...look at the hair types of ethopians and somalians, etc.

Scientists are proving that the the genes for all types of hair is part of the African genotype as are the genes for every type of skin color and phenotype. In other words, Africans are the most genetically diverse people on earth.

There are interesting studies being done which show gene frequency correllations between people in disparate areas of the earth and the area they likely originated from in Africa. For example, people from southeast Asia seem to have relatives in the nigerian region of africa. I'll look for a link to this particular study and post it.
ive just read the entire 5 pages of theis thread and its very interesting. i can relate on so many levels. im often asked if i have a jherri curl/texturizer and it pisses me off b/c i take such good care of my hair, its a slap in the face to my effort. about 3 months ago while at the gym, a lady came up to me and asked what kind of curl i had, i told her i was natural. she gave me the yeah right look... as if i have a reason to lie to her. my uncle, a trainer at the gym, saw that i was getting annoyed by this woman, so he started a spanish (speaking) conversation w me to get her away. after he left, she comes back to me and says, "oh i see why your hair like that, you mixed!" (im black/puerto rican..hardly mixed) when i was black it was a curl, now that im spanish, its natural. what a shame.

as far as nappturality goes, i love it there. i used to get angry and accuse alot of women there of being curly haters, but then i realized where they were comming from. think of it like this, if you're at a black pride rally and start talking about how happy you are to have a light complexion, or ways to make your dark skin light, its gonna anger some of the darker attendees b/c their skin is the most vilified and that only adds to the division. lighter blacks do exist, and have full right to be proud...but the theme is black pride, so theres no room for dividing skintones, we're all black. maybe thats not the best example but im sleepy

that site got me through my first year natural. you just have to understand the rules over there, both actual and underlying (if you catch my drift). sometimes the ladies can be a little when it comes to curly hair, but at the end of the day, its the best informational on black natural hair.

all in all, its a shame curly hair cant be natural. if you're black at least.
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Wow, Jazzijenni, great post! I like the way you explain your process of understanding where the women are coming from on Nappturality.
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ive just read the entire 5 pages of theis thread and its very interesting. i can relate on so many levels. im often asked if i have a jherri curl/texturizer and it pisses me off b/c i take such good care of my hair, its a slap in the face to my effort. about 3 months ago while at the gym, a lady came up to me and asked what kind of curl i had, i told her i was natural. she gave me the yeah right look... as if i have a reason to lie to her. my uncle, a trainer at the gym, saw that i was getting annoyed by this woman, so he started a spanish (speaking) conversation w me to get her away. after he left, she comes back to me and says, "oh i see why your hair like that, you mixed!" (im black/puerto rican..hardly mixed) when i was black it was a curl, now that im spanish, its natural. what a shame.

as far as nappturality goes, i love it there. i used to get angry and accuse alot of women there of being curly haters, but then i realized where they were comming from. think of it like this, if you're at a black pride rally and start talking about how happy you are to have a light complexion, or ways to make your dark skin light, its gonna anger some of the darker attendees b/c their skin is the most vilified and that only adds to the division. lighter blacks do exist, and have full right to be proud...but the theme is black pride, so theres no room for dividing skintones, we're all black. maybe thats not the best example but im sleepy

that site got me through my first year natural. you just have to understand the rules over there, both actual and underlying (if you catch my drift). sometimes the ladies can be a little when it comes to curly hair, but at the end of the day, its the best informational on black natural hair.

all in all, its a shame curly hair cant be natural. if you're black at least.
Originally Posted by jazzijenni81
This is soo true..........people always assume that our curls can't be natural, I went through this my first year natural. Great post...thanks.
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jazzijenni, that was a really great example you gave! it makes things very clear. but i would like to share another example given by one of the ladies over at NP. she compared it to being a vegetarian "club" or something (i'm already messing this up! ) she said it's a place for everyone to come a talk about eating vegetables and what not, even if you're not a full vegetarian. but don't be surprised if people get angry when you come in talking about the great steak you had last night, or the benefits of eating meat. i totally messed up the explanation, i'm sorry but hopefully people get the idea. after i read it, i felt so much more comfortable there because it makes sense.

back to the topic...i've never got the "your hair can't be real comments" because my hair never looks "too good to be true" it's always disheveled, just like the rest of me the only comments i get are comments about my nationality...even from other haitians who don't "look haitian" themselves! come on people!
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This is a wonderful topic. We should keep bumping this.

I have dealt with this all my life as well. My mom relaxed my hair at a very young age and it had always been healthy and long. I always got the "you have white girl hair" comment, but I just ignored it. It wasn't until I got to college (a black college) and had to deal with people saying I thought I was "all that" and "her hair is a wig"...that I decided to cut it off. My hair was past the middle of my back (past my bra) and I went and got a fierce bob cut up to my ears. It was cute, still relaxed, and wouldn't you know it...I STILL GOT THE SAME DAMN COMMENTS!!!

During my transition, no one believed that I was growing out my perm because my pressed hair looked just like the relaxed hair. I then received comments such as, "There is no way a black girl's pressed hair can straighten like that without chemicals..." Then...I was labled as being Dominican. I don't know where that came from.

I finally got all the relaxed ends cut off a few weeks ago and I went curly to work and every where else. I'm still being asked the same questions. If my hair is long and straight, it's white girl hair. If it's short and straight with bounce...it's still white girl hair. If it's natural...I'm mixed or Dominican. I've simply accepted the fact that some people are inquisitive and others are just plain ingnorant. No matter how much I try to alter my hair, I will continue to get same freakin' comments and questions. :-)

LOVE YOUR HAIR AND WHO YOU ARE LADIES!!! Some people will never accept that we as people are different.
Originally Posted by kandesnb
THIS HAS BEEN SOOOO HELPFUL! I did the same thing in going natural, that is cutting off the majority and letting the rest grow out but continuing to cut off the relaxed hairs periodically. All I've found about growing out hair and going natural is that you have to do the "big chop" I haven't found a single person who did the same process as me! NOW THAT I'VE FOUND YOU I can rest assureddddddd.

I was starting to lose my faith in my hair because in the summer my hair had so much luster and moisture and it was soo silky without me having to do much at all. As summer transitioned into winter I was in the hospital and couldn't straighten my hair and was left with it curly. When I got out it was very frizzy and when I straightened it, it was like a poof ball!!! I've spent this WHOLEEE winter trying to figure out why my hair hates me! My hair grew out of the relaxed hair in about a year maybe a little more, so I hadn't dealt with a winter of full natural hair and so I wasn't aware that you have to heavily moisturize in the winter!

I JUST figured that out today after doing some digging and searching through my African American sisters online! I'm going to apply what I've learned today and I'll check back in if I rememberrrr. THANK YOU SO MUCH LADIES!
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I remember in class we were reading raisin in the sun and i said I wanted to be Beneatha because I have natural hair and so does she and a girl in my class with 4a/b hair said i couldn't because she was more natural than I was. This didn't make any sense and kinda hurt my feelings. Just because I have 3b/c curls doesn't mean I'm not natural.
Sorry disregard this post *accident*

Last edited by Jeliah; 01-31-2013 at 02:31 PM.
I remember in class we were reading raisin in the sun and i said I wanted to be Beneatha because I have natural hair and so does she and a girl in my class with 4a/b hair said i couldn't because she was more natural than I was. This didn't make any sense and kinda hurt my feelings. Just because I have 3b/c curls doesn't mean I'm not natural.
Originally Posted by forevercurly96
Funny how im reading this in english class too. All hair is natural if it isn't chemically processed. However, everyone views their definition of natural differently. Someone might see straight hair as natural or 2a hair as natural. So that means that if you want your curls to be more natural, stay the way you are. Natural is beautiful, always remember that.
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