removing cones and clarifying

hi ladies,

i used mousse over the weekend and as we all know, its full of cones. i washed my hair w shampoo and used clarifying conditioner. my hair feels really different, i guess b/c i havent used cones or sulfates in ages. i have jason shampoo...contains myreth laurel sulfate...is that strong enough to remove cones?

-what detergents are effective in removing cones?
-what cones are easily removed?
-does acv really clarify or does it just bring sheen to the hair?

*amodimethicone and dimethicone are in the mousse
loose 4a, silky meets cottony
routine: co-wash, add leave in or plain water, shake & go
staples: elucence poo & conditioners, V05 & suave naturals, jessicurl too shea, AO.
Jazzijenni, there was an article on this not too long ago on nc.com,and it said that any sulfate shampoo will remove most cones. I haven't myself noticed much difference in hard-to-remove or easy-to-remove 'cones. For my hair it's just been a matter of using some regular shampoo, which I don't do very often.

ACV rinses are legendary for removing residue from hard water, oils, and other deposits, but they will not remove 'cones. It leaves your hair shiny not only because of the clarity, but also because the acidity of it closes the cuticle up tightly, leaving a relatively silky strand, at least for as long as it takes your cuticle to open back up to however it naturally lies.
st. louis blue, I never really believed in vinegar rinses, since I'd heard about them for eons & seen them used on people whose hair condition was not quite on point.
However I've just asked my sister whose a stylist and she agreed with everything you said in your post. I can't believe I've been missing out on this stuff for so long! Do you know if it's true that the curlier your hair is, the more likely your cuticles will lie open? If so, is this healthy or should you do everything to keep it closed. Thanks!
Very interesting. Jazzijenni is it feeling different wet or dry?

Do a better job of covering your stinky aliass.
thanks alot st. louis blue! just wanted to make sure i got it off! and double thanks for the acv lesson. all this time i thought i was clarifying! i guess ill use acv as a final rinse after DT.

ohura,
it feels cottony when its dry, whereas before it felt smooth. it will be back to normal after a few more CW's. i love that flashin' chick!

i dont think i like cones. my hair thrives when i dont use them...and i totally notice a difference in my hair when i do! it looks smoother, but it feels coated....and i hate having to use poo!!! i have alot of ddta to get rid of!
loose 4a, silky meets cottony
routine: co-wash, add leave in or plain water, shake & go
staples: elucence poo & conditioners, V05 & suave naturals, jessicurl too shea, AO.
OIC.

Do a better job of covering your stinky aliass.
I have the same coated feeling too, Jazzijenni, when my hairdresser puts Paul Mitchell on my hair. It's funny how you get use to your hair not having that stuff on it.

Ohura, vinegar rinses can definitely be drying, if you don't dilute the vinegar enough or if you do them too often. My hair looks a lot worse if I use harsh shampoos, so I prefer the vinegar rinses once a week or so (less if I'm not dealing with hard water). Once I did 2 in one week, and my hair looked totally fried.

That said, it's a tough call to me whether to do a DT before or after the rinse. Since it does tighten the cuticle up, it kind of does make sense for that to be your last step. On the other hand, I like to DT afterward because I want to put some moisture back into my hair after everything's been stripped off; I feel like the vinegar rinse removes everything that a DT would put into my hair, so it seems like of like a waste to do a DT and then follow with a vinegar rinse. Obviously, heating your head for a DT will open the cuticle right back up, so you would lose that benefit of the vinegar rinse, although your hair would still be free from all the hard water and other residues, which is my main goal with the rinses.

As far as the curly cuticle connection, I think that it is sort of true that the curlier the hair the more ruffled the cuticle. I think what is maybe more true is that the fuzzier the hair the more ruffled the cuticle; does that make any sense? I know this woman with hair that is exactly the same curl size as mine, a head full of little pencil ringlets. However, her curls are shinier than mine, each strand is more silky, much less fuzzy. I think the difference is in our cuticles; mine is more ruffled than hers, leading to a fuzzier effect. I feel like I see this a lot, for example people with 3B sized-curls that are fuzzy, not silky; this is a cuticle distinction, not a curl-size distinction. It's one of the differences between, say Gloria Reuben's hair, and Julianne Margulies's. Both have tight curls, but Gloria's are fuzzy and Julianne's are silky.

That said, I don't very often see loose waves that are fuzzy-ruffle-y, and I haven't very often see tight 4b curls with silky-closed-looking cuticles. I think that's why people generally think that curlier hairs have more open cuticles, but it's definitely not a 100% correlation.
Ohura, vinegar rinses can definitely be drying, if you don't dilute the vinegar enough or if you do them too often. My hair looks a lot worse if I use harsh shampoos, so I prefer the vinegar rinses once a week or so (less if I'm not dealing with hard water). Once I did 2 in one week, and my hair looked totally fried.
Originally Posted by st. louis blue
What dilution basis do you use normally?

Do a better job of covering your stinky aliass.
I use about a tablespoon of vinegar to about 2 cups of warm water.
The only thing I noticed when I did an ACV rinse was more shine. It didn't feel any different and since it was kind of a pain I didn't do it again. My hair reacts differently to each product i try. I'm sure your hair will be back to normal in a few days like you said.
Short 4A Hair.
thanks again st louis blue. very helpful information! its good to know my jason shampoo is powerful enough to battle the cones. i use pm the conditioner, and it contains dimethicone, but for some reason, i dont experience build up w it...maybe its modified? i dunno!

but thanks again!
loose 4a, silky meets cottony
routine: co-wash, add leave in or plain water, shake & go
staples: elucence poo & conditioners, V05 & suave naturals, jessicurl too shea, AO.

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