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My mom is african american and my father is south asian. It's funny. When I was a little girl my hair was fairly straight. Its now defintely 3c. I have corser hair around my ears and very straight hair at the back of my head. My hair is probably just past my armpits when curly. I do have a serious mixture going on it drives me nuts.

Meanwhile, people always ask me if my hair is fake. One of my really good friends told me this was because people assumed only lighter people had real hair that was long and not as densely curly (i'm fairly dark). Go figure.
Originally Posted by starrynightabh
We caribbean descents know otherwise. Most indian-black mixs (we call them douglaw) are very dark, with very long hair. You probably don't have as many in the US, so they assume it's somehow a white thing.

Also, why is it all black americas say they are part native!? Was there that much mixing, because every american on the internet, says they are mixed with it?
Ich kann Deutsches sprechen, aber ich erlerne noch, dass meine Mamma zwar fließend ist
Originally Posted by CantFightCurls
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Also, jetzt sollten wir endlich mal ein deutschsprachiges Forum haben, lol!
Originally Posted by mixeded

Das waere eine gute idee eigentlich!
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
"¿QUE?", says the Puerto Rican...
Originally Posted by KurleeEdna
Na ja, so ist es halt.. wir koennen alle verschiedene sprachen reden, aber das ist doch etwas gutes.

Now you know how I feel when my Venezuelan bf is hanging out with his buddies talking fast Spanish.. I can't understand but every 20th word or so!

It's nice to know this is a very international group of people. I just hope this shows people not to judge a book by it's cover.. and maybe one day people will stop assuming I'M Spanish speaking! lol
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I'm African-American, no mixes! My momma and daddy are from Tennesse. I was raised in Atlanta. That's it! Lets see my mother has sandy brown fine 4a hair, very light complextion(she wears a low mens cut) My sister has the same type hair type and complextion. My father(very dark) has shiney JET Black 3c hair(locked, almost to his belt line). My brother has 4bc hair and I have shiney JET BLACK 3c hair like my daddy!
My mom is african american and my father is south asian. It's funny. When I was a little girl my hair was fairly straight. Its now defintely 3c. I have corser hair around my ears and very straight hair at the back of my head. My hair is probably just past my armpits when curly. I do have a serious mixture going on it drives me nuts.

Meanwhile, people always ask me if my hair is fake. One of my really good friends told me this was because people assumed only lighter people had real hair that was long and not as densely curly (i'm fairly dark). Go figure.
Originally Posted by starrynightabh
We caribbean descents know otherwise. Most indian-black mixs (we call them douglaw) are very dark, with very long hair. You probably don't have as many in the US, so they assume it's somehow a white thing.

Also, why is it all black americas say they are part native!? Was there that much mixing, because every american on the internet, says they are mixed with it?
Originally Posted by lenax7


In response to the red print, I am assuming by Native you mean Native American or American Indian. I say this because it is very true for me and my biological make up. I don't think all Black Americans say this. Of course, the US is a BIG melting pot and we are all IMMIGRANTS (came from different countries by force or for land or to colonize) accept for the Native Americans who were reportedly here first. Native American is a broad term representing different tribes who have similar yet different heritages/cultures. Tribes include Cherokee, Lumbee, Black foot and etc. On the internet I'm sure you can look up which tribes are based in diffrent regions of the US (i.e. Southeastern=Lumbee I think). So maybe if you're hearing a lot of Black Americans say they are part Native American, most likely they are somewhere down the line or there in their immediate family. I say that I'm part Native American because it isn't DISTANT for me. My Grandfather was Native American but raised Black. His family passed for white, yet were Native American. My mom did not "pass" but is a (a small amount)"black" and because of the One drop rule and how she was raised she considers herself BLACK in terms of culture, yet her biological RACE is Native American (more than one tribe) White, and Black.

This conversation could go on and on and on. I consider myself Black American in terms of ethnicity/culture because unfortunately because of the "passing" as White and the "one drop rule" my family has lost most of the Native American culture. However, in terms of race (a biological construct/concept) I Black, Native American and White.

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I agree with faithful7. I think that one thing people are not considering is that a lot of blacks i.e. Africans ended up on Native American reservations because that was a quick path to freedom. All it took was for the African to marry into the tribe and that was that. Also, there are NOT to many blacks in America who don't have some mixture in their past because many, many slaves bore children with their masters. I know that my great grandmother was African and she married a Native American and they lived their entire lives on a reservation in Oklahoma. As did my grandmothers parents which consisted of a white woman who fell in love with a Native American man. Mixing is and was quite common in America. Even with the racial strife. Not to mention just because a person is visibly black doesn't mean they don't have mixtures or IS mixed. You can't go by looks as that doesn't quite cut it. You can find mixed people who look more black and black people who look more mixed and everything in between.
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Originally Posted by CantFightCurls
Wow toll.. welcome to the club!


Also, jetzt sollten wir endlich mal ein deutschsprachiges Forum haben, lol!
Originally Posted by mixeded

Das waere eine gute idee eigentlich!
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"¿QUE?", says the Puerto Rican...
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My mom is an African American who can trace her ancestory back to slavery so who knows what's up in there. My dad is Italian American.

About the Native American thing- Like most Black Americans I believed there was some Native American on my mom' side. It seemed plausible considering I have this bump in my nose that nobody else in my family has and I just figured I got it from a Native American ancestor.
This was supposed to be my great great grandpappy.


Sadly I will never know where my bump came from cuz I am not Native American. Once I realized how common claiming NA ancestory by both White AND Black Americans is and how rarely it turns out to be true I decided to actually do some research.

Namely actually ask my grandma. lol My mom was led to believe her grandpa and grandma (my great grandpa and grandma) were as much as half Native. Nope turns out neither. My great grandpa was just a light skinned Black man and my great grandma was actually only one generation removed from slavery. Her mom had been a slave who spoke Geechi. I believe my mom that she was told we were NA and then my grandma forgot she said that. That's how these things get started.


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My mom is an African American who can trace her ancestory back to slavery so who knows what's up in there. My dad is Italian American.

About the Native American thing- Like most Black Americans I believed there was some Native American on my mom' side. It seemed plausible considering I have this bump in my nose that nobody else in my family has and I just figured I got it from a Native American ancestor.
This was supposed to be my great great grandpappy.


Sadly I will never know where my bump came from cuz I am not Native American. Once I realized how common claiming NA ancestory by both White AND Black Americans is and how rarely it turns out to be true I decided to actually do some research.

Namely actually ask my grandma. lol My mom was led to believe her grandpa and grandma (my great grandpa and grandma) were as much as half Native. Nope turns out neither. My great grandpa was just a light skinned Black man and my great grandma was actually only one generation removed from slavery. Her mom had been a slave who spoke Geechi. I believe my mom that she was told we were NA and then my grandma forgot she said that. That's how these things get started.
Originally Posted by KinkyKeeper
Wow, that's interesting! I've never heard of people "claiming it" and it"rarely ever being true". I learn something new, everyday by this site (about hair and now this LOL). But, I nor anyone in my immediate family have a "bump" in my nose but we are DEFINITELY Native American (I don't think that that is common in EVERY single tribe), and it seems to be the main side that I can trace back. I Sure wish we could trace back our African American Ancestry! If anyone is intersted you can try to trace your ancestry back, using old newspaper (the machine in the library)--this is where we found info about my family who was Native American, passing for White, old records and etc. HTH for anyone interested!

ETA: Just a side note for everyone who may not know this-- Not all Native Americans are a like (there's alot of stereotypes out there)--just like Black people, Native Americans vary in skin tone/shade, eye color (Grandfather had blue eyes), and even hair type and bone sturcture. Just thought I'd add for those who don't know much about Native Americans as a whole. I'm pretty passionate about this topic, but now back to hair!!! I'm off to try to figure out how much of my new jessicurl WDT to use as a leave in!!LOL
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Last edited by faithful7; 04-20-2009 at 02:48 PM. Reason: ETA
I always follow the rule with NA ancestory that unless you are involved in the tribe or at least know which one it is, it's probably not even worth including in a litany of what you are since it's probably less than 1/16th (unless of course there are extenuating circumstances like how your relatives passed). And I'm glad I was able to edumacate you. lol This trend of claiming NA heritage was especially bad during the 90's. Everybody and their momma was a descendant of a "Cherokee princess". And I believe there was an episode of Oprah where she exposed with DNA testing that the amount of black Americans with Native American ancestory were probably less than what many families believed. And I imagine the same holds true for other Americans.

Here's a funny blog written by a half NA guy about this trend:
http://stuffblackpeoplehate.com/2008/08/22/cherokees/
And I agree with his assesment of why it is happening. And I certainly didn't mean to imply that all Native Americans look alike. Sorry if that's how it sounded. BUT I don't think we can ignore that there is a general "look" of certain people. It would be hard to deny, for example, that most people of African descent have some curl to their hair. But this should by no means = ignoring that outliers exist (straight hair is very possible on "black" people) and that there are even wide variety among the majority (like how "curl" can be anything from 2A to 4B). And of course the media doesn't always show even this variety. There is always only one type shown to represent the majority of any culture:
I think most people have an inner vision when they hear:
Native American

African

Latino

European

Middle Eastern

Asian

But anybody who has traveled a bit knows that there is that this is nowhere near true. Many of the above phenotypes overlap. (Latinos, for example, can be of any descent and cover every phenotype possible, pure Africans come in many more colors and hair textures than just ebony and 4B, many Asians have curly hair and double eyelids, Middle Easterners are also very varied) I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is no such thing as race. And even the phenotypes we associate with each culture are very flawed and have more room for variety than we give them. I'm passionate about this subject too.


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My mom is african american and my father is south asian. It's funny. When I was a little girl my hair was fairly straight. Its now defintely 3c. I have corser hair around my ears and very straight hair at the back of my head. My hair is probably just past my armpits when curly. I do have a serious mixture going on it drives me nuts.

Meanwhile, people always ask me if my hair is fake. One of my really good friends told me this was because people assumed only lighter people had real hair that was long and not as densely curly (i'm fairly dark). Go figure.
Originally Posted by starrynightabh
We caribbean descents know otherwise. Most indian-black mixs (we call them douglaw) are very dark, with very long hair. You probably don't have as many in the US, so they assume it's somehow a white thing.

Also, why is it all black americas say they are part native!? Was there that much mixing, because every american on the internet, says they are mixed with it?
Originally Posted by lenax7
Yes this brings back memories of when I first moved to Atlanta. I remember people asking me what 'kind of hair' I used and when I told them that it was my real hair the reply was always "wow, you have good hair for a dark-skin girl" WTF I had never exeperienced this until I moved to Georgia from Florida, I guess since there is a big caribbean population in south florida people understand the different ethnicities of the caribbean.

So when people would always ask me what i was 'mixed with' to have such 'good hair' I would always be vicious and lie saying I was African from Nigera...you should have seen their faces then, even more confused than before ...such ignorance

I also see there are a lot of Caribs one here,woot woot lol, but mainly Trinis and Guayanese. Whey di Yahdies dey?!
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Im am a mixture. My mother is Dominican from San Cristobal which is a mixture in itself. and my father is a mixture of sioux and African american. we traced the african half back to a plantation owner in Charleston,South Carolina which is where i currently reside. I tell people that im black dominican because i dont want to claim one and not the other. I identify mostly with my latino half more than my AA half though.
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My mother is Black. My maternal grandmother is Chickasaw and Eastern Cherokee. And my maternal grandfather is Black and Jewish. As for mz father the story has changed consistantly. But I have been doing a lot more research and after speaking to my great aunt who is practically 200 I think I have a good idea. My paternal grandfather is Scottish-Irish and my paternal grandmother is a mixture of Arawak and other things... Both parents are Jewish. My dad and his immediate family is from Jamaica and my grandpa is from Scotland...

I consider myself a Black/Scottish Jewish female... I think my Scottish roots are more... uhh closer, etc.

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Ich kann Deutsches sprechen, aber ich erlerne noch, dass meine Mamma zwar fließend ist
Originally Posted by CantFightCurls
Wow toll.. welcome to the club!


Also, jetzt sollten wir endlich mal ein deutschsprachiges Forum haben, lol!
Originally Posted by mixeded

Das waere eine gute idee eigentlich!
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
haha i would join the club but my Deustch is absolutely dreadful. i can read and understand it but
i can only speak back in English. Its so embarrassing when i just moved from Germany. Its the same with Khmer (Cambodian) also. My mother goes on rants when shes mad and yells in German, Khmer, and French but never English! Lol.
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my mother's from Suriname, Dutch guyana and her grandfather is 3/4 german/dutch mix the other part just african descent.

My father is Jamaican, but he tells us we have a little hints of panama and cuba in our ancestry line lol
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Hey my felloe curlies,
So this is a wierd topis, I guess but I just wondered how different 3c hair looks from different places. I was talking to my friend, and we realized that people with a huge diverse background usually end up with curly hair. Of course, thats not always the case. Her I'll start:

My Mom is of german, scottish, and namibian descent and my father is half cape verdae and half portuguese. Here are a few pictures of my hair:




Sorry my pictures are so humongous, I cant seem to change the size. But yea so just tell us where you're from and if you can post some pics!
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Originally Posted by CantFightCurls
So this is an interesting topic. ppl always ask me what are you ? ppl guess jamaican puerto rican and everyother island that may produce dark skin and culry hair.Believe it or not i think im the only person on here thats not mixed.I dont speak 5 dii languages. I dont have ancesotrs from differnt parts of the globe. My mom is black. my dad is black, and guess what? so am I.i guess its kinda weird that I have dark skin and 3c hair but I do!
My family is from Antigua with a mixture of Black and Portuguese.
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