Can someone create my no-poo or low-poo routine? I have pics of my hair now.

...here's the trick: using only drugstore products (Walgreens/Wal-mart/Dollar store).

I'm just not sure what to use anymore, I'm so overwhelmed with all of the products.
Gonna post this in general/3A also.

The pic's after using a shampoo/conditioner full of sulfates/cones, applying light gel, and blow drying with a diffuser. It's so limp on the bottom -_-

Thank you!

...Excuse the robe. >.<
I'm sixteen lol

3A~fine texture
Cleanser: GiovanniTTTT, Deva Low Poo
Condish: Deva One C, GiovanniTTTT, GVP Balm
Styler: Deva ArcANGELL, HESMU, AG Mousse Gel
Want to try: CJ Gellie, Hand Dry Hair Glove, BRHG
I <3 second day hair
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It is difficult to have the curls you desire using non-salon products. When I was your age, I used Finesse products. For a no-poo routine, find a good conditioner that you like and rub it into your scalp. That helps clean your scalp. Rinse out the the conditioner, then reapply the conditioner to the ends of your hair and let it absorb into your hair for a few minutes. Rinse out. Get a microfiber towel to blot dry your hair. Try not to break up the curl pattern. Choose a gel or mousse to your liking (I prefer Herbal Essences Totally Twisted mousse) and apply generously to your hair. I use a microfiber towel to push my hair to the scalp after I use the mousse. This helps keep the curl pattern. I let my hair air-dry and do not touch it. Once it is dry I scrunch out the crunchiness. I am left with well defined and shiny curls.

Oh, and I had the problem with the scraggly ends too and realized it was my haircut. Try to stay away from layers. When I had an even, straight, cut, my hair was much fuller on the ends and looked much better.
NO IT'S NOT A PERM!
If you want to go low poo, Giovanni makes two great ones that you can buy at Target and other drugstores. The triple tea treat and 50:50 are good.
3a with some 2c thrown in
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Currently Loving:
Shampoo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 50:50

Conditioners - CJ Strengthening, CJ Beauticurls Argan and Olive Oil, CJ Smoothing, CJ Rehab, CJ Curl Fix

Leave-in: CJ Beauticurls Leave-in

Deep Conditioner: CJ Hibiscus and Banana Deep Fix

Stylers -CJ Curl Queen, CJ CCCC Lite, CJ CIAB, CJ Pattern Pusha, Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam, Mop-C Curl Defining Cream, BRHG, KCCC
You went and got one of those "volumetrics" haircuts, didn't you??

Let me tell you something. I was trying to save a pretty penny back in december, and went to Philip Pelusi to let them cut my hair. I didn't think they could do anything THAT bad.

Well, they specialize in a style of cutting called "Volumetrics." This is the haircut they gave me, and guess what...

After the cut, my hair looked EXACTLY like your's is now! I used to have great body all the way to the ends of my hair, but because this "cut" specialized in "volume" I had NO hair at the ends!!!!

I completely relate to your frustration. Since then, I have been going to one of the top stylists in my area to try to slowly fix the problem without chopping off all my hair. This was an expensive mistake, and really, really frustrating because my wedding is Aug 1 and my hair isn't as long as I wanted it.

If I were you, I suggest going to someone who REALLY knows what they are doing. Let them chop off that entire scraggly bit on the end and begin fixing it. Your hair will be much shorter, but so worth it...people shouldn't be able to see day light through your curls! Let it grow out.

Hmm, and as for products. The more expensive products do last much longer than drugstore brands. I currently only use a few things... Devacare One Condition and Arc Angel are my two staples...and they last me a couple months. I have found it cheaper just to stick to something good as opposed to having six or seven different drugstore bottles in my drawer that sorta work... I don't have any drugstore recommendations, but just follow the cg guidelines, and you might have better luck than I!
I'm primarily a 3a, with some pieces that are a bit more 2b, and others a bit more 3b

Products I've Been Testing since going CG:
Izzazu Curl Creme
Devacurl B'Leave'in
Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap (Castille)
Devacurl Low-Poo
Devacurl One Condition
Devacare-One Condition
Devacurl Angell
Devacare Arc Angel
Devacurl Set It Free
Devacurl Set Me Up
Devacurl Mist-er-Right
Trader Joe's Refresh Shampoo
Trader Joe's Refresh Conditioner
Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel
Mop-C Curl Defining Cream
I'm not sure if this refers to a 'volumetric' hair cut or not, but for years I have been getting my hair cut with a razor and a those 'texturizing' shears (not sure of the official name) with VERY similar results. My hair is currently very short and I have these sort of shapeless wispies at the bottom of my cut (I would say it is 2b on top from heat damage, and 3a-3b on the rest if you don't count my ends). Unfortunately, over repeated cuts, lots of cones, and some wicked sulfates, my hair is not a stringy mess. I originally did this specifically because I had a hair stylist tell me this would break up my crazy ringlets that I have hated for as long as I can remember.

Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I'm really missing that curl and once my hair is long enough to lose some length, I'm cutting this mess off. For me, this will be quite a while, but I think it will be worth it.

So I guess in short, I agree with the 'volumetrics' comment above!
I'm not sure if this refers to a 'volumetric' hair cut or not, but for years I have been getting my hair cut with a razor and a those 'texturizing' shears (not sure of the official name) with VERY similar results. My hair is currently very short and I have these sort of shapeless wispies at the bottom of my cut (I would say it is 2b on top from heat damage, and 3a-3b on the rest if you don't count my ends). Unfortunately, over repeated cuts, lots of cones, and some wicked sulfates, my hair is not a stringy mess. I originally did this specifically because I had a hair stylist tell me this would break up my crazy ringlets that I have hated for as long as I can remember.

Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I'm really missing that curl and once my hair is long enough to lose some length, I'm cutting this mess off. For me, this will be quite a while, but I think it will be worth it.

So I guess in short, I agree with the 'volumetrics' comment above!
Originally Posted by etripoli
Yeah. I got THE most horrible hair cut known to man.
This is what my hair looked like before the cut:


After:



Someday, I want to get back to what my hair was like two years ago. It's taken a solid year to get my hair SOMEWHAT like it was before. A bad "layered" hair cut can really screw you over. *sigh*
I'm pretty confident in my hair stylist now. If she can make my hair this short and look GOOD, I trust her:



As for my hair care routine right now, I really love GTTTT as CurlyHairedFarmer brought out. But I'm realizing I need to use a very good rinse out conditioner with it, as it can leave my ends a little dry, even if I'm JUST applying the condish to my scalp. But as long as the grease is cut, I don't mind. My hair was unbearably greasy for awhile.
3A~fine texture
Cleanser: GiovanniTTTT, Deva Low Poo
Condish: Deva One C, GiovanniTTTT, GVP Balm
Styler: Deva ArcANGELL, HESMU, AG Mousse Gel
Want to try: CJ Gellie, Hand Dry Hair Glove, BRHG
I <3 second day hair
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That's good to know you're liking the GTTT- I've added that to my list of products to try. I used to use a sulfate shampoo with tea tree oil in it and really liked how it made my hair feel (it definitely cut the grease), so I'm hoping a co wash with some CG -friendly stuff will be even better!
CG Since 5/23/09
3a - High Porosity / Coarse Texture on Crown, Medium Texture Beneath
CO Wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Cond.
Condition: Salon Care Honey Almond Cond.
Gel: Biotera gel
DT: Honey, conditioner, EVOO(1x/wk)
I definitely like it. I wish it didn't make my hair this dry, though. I'm trying to rotate it with Garnier condish, so I only use it once a week. I also need to try really focusing the product on my scalp. I think I got some on my ends last time by mistake. And another thing I want to try is not leaving it in so long- I accidentally left it in for 5-8 minutes. And maybe mixing in some of my rinse out condish in with it? It might help a bit. Gotta experiment. What I do know, is my hair really likes it- I got great curl formation!
3A~fine texture
Cleanser: GiovanniTTTT, Deva Low Poo
Condish: Deva One C, GiovanniTTTT, GVP Balm
Styler: Deva ArcANGELL, HESMU, AG Mousse Gel
Want to try: CJ Gellie, Hand Dry Hair Glove, BRHG
I <3 second day hair
Call me a Curltalk Otaku. ~MirCurls
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I've been no poo since about 2001. I do use shampoo on occasion, probably less than monthly. I cleanse with Suave Aloe conditioner. I like it because it is cheap enought to use tons of product. I use a deep conditioner about once a week or two. When I do use shampoo, I put a deep conditioner on the ends and just use shampoo on my scalp. My hairdresser vanished recently and I've been going to another person at the same salon. I was concerned at first because the new girl barely layered, but my hair looks a million times better. It really made a difference with the thin ends. For styling, I use Paul Mitchell The Cream or Sebastian Potion 9 (or the generic equivalents that I get at Sally). Potion 9 is better for windy or humid days, and the Cream make beautiful soft curls. I squeeze out my hair, then put a blob on my wet hair, flip and scrunch very gently and and wrap it loosely in an old t shirt to dry for about 20 minutes. I get lots of compliments. Unfortunately, I'm going grey quickly and the interlopers are wirey and disobedient curls.
Kelly, sweetie, your ends are so long and thin that I don't think they're ever going to curl well. It looks like about 3-4 inches needs to just come off. Then it should look a lot thicker and not so wispy. Some layering is good for releasing/encouraging the curls, just not so much in the last few inches like that.

I love the Giovanni TTTT shampoo and conditioner, but I don't usually use the conditioner as my rinse-out, only for co-washing. If the Giovanni conditioners aren't rich enough for you, try BioInfusion conditioning balm from Walgreen's or GVP conditioning balm from Sally's - totally CG and very conditioning without being heavy. These are very popular around here and, IMHO, a lot better than Deva One and cheaper - goes just as far. I think you'd also find it better than any of the GF conditioners, too. If you have Aldi grocery stores in your area, their Shique version of this is the very cheapest and perhaps the best of these - I like it even better than the actual Biolage Conditioning Balm.

LA Looks Sports Gel is a popular CG gel that works similar to the ever-popular Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee but is a lot cheaper and available almost anywhere (both scrunch out to give you soft hair with good hold - they scrunch more easily with some leave-in or curl enhancing product under them). I personally don't care for HETT gel or mousse, but based on several strong recommendations for it here, I got some HESMU gel and have tried it once. It gives a little softer hold but otherwise worked similar to the LALSG. Unlike, HETT, it's not sticky/tacky feeling/looking and didn't give me the stringlets that HETT does, whether mousse or gel.

If your hair is fine and very porous, you almost certainly need to be getting some protein. I highly recommend Aubrey Organics GPB Protein Conditioner (Walmart, Ulta, Vitamine Shoppe, healthfood stores, some grocery healthfood sections) at least once every couple of weeks. It's very rich and you don't need another conditioner after it (except maybe a leave-in if you always use one). Nexxus Emergencee is also a good protein treatment, but you do need to moisturize afterward. It doesn't have nasty mineral oil in it like the GVP K-Pak Reconstructor knock-off from Sally's - some like it but I don't want the mineral oil.

Don't know if you're avoiding silicones, but FYI, unless their formulas have changed, both PM The Cream and Sebastian Potion 9 used to be full of them.

Um, what product are you trying to keep on your scalp and off your ends? Maybe I missed something, but that wasn't clear to me . . . .
2C/3A/3B - mod. CG, med. to fine, normal to low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing then clips or clamps & air dry. Blend gray w/henna glosses

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Yeah, I totally cut all my ends off. I'm looking forward to my hair growing back out though.

And I was trying to keep off the GTTTT condish, but it's actually been doing alright to moisturize my ends. I think it's because I only co-wash every couple of days, and the only other thing I use is HESMU gel. The only complaint I have as of now is somewhat of an oily scalp lately, but I think it's going through some sort of transitioning period again. Because it wasn't like this last week, and I'm on day 23 now.
I should probably pick up some lemon juice. The combo of that and honey did a good job of cleansing my scalp on the first two weeks I started.

My hair right now:

Snapshot of me 14.jpg

(Second day hair)

I was going to get the GVPbalm, but now I might just get the Bioinfusion now that I know it's at Walgreens- I had no idea.

And from what I can tell, my hair is protein sensitive? I've been using products with very low protein (my bottle of GTTTT has protein on liiike one of the last ingredients?) and my hair is SO much softer. It wets better too.

Thanks for the advice on all the gels. I'm going to try experimenting around with some of those, too.
3A~fine texture
Cleanser: GiovanniTTTT, Deva Low Poo
Condish: Deva One C, GiovanniTTTT, GVP Balm
Styler: Deva ArcANGELL, HESMU, AG Mousse Gel
Want to try: CJ Gellie, Hand Dry Hair Glove, BRHG
I <3 second day hair
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Last edited by kellygreen49; 06-10-2009 at 02:17 PM.
Sorry, didn't realize you'd already had it cut - I thought it looked like it was either short or pulled back in that one pic, but you never said . . . . Are you strictly no-poo or do you low-poo? If you do with GTTTT, I'm surprised you're having the oily scalp issues. If you're not already doing that, you might try it - lemon juice always dries my hair out too much for me to go that route
2C/3A/3B - mod. CG, med. to fine, normal to low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing then clips or clamps & air dry. Blend gray w/henna glosses

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I'm strictly no-poo.
My ends already look a hundred times better, and I know it's not just from the haircut. Because it's been about a month, and my ends aren't splitting. Usually they're a wreck.

I let the GTTTT sink in more with my last co-wash- let it set for a good 5 minutes, and that seemed to get rid of the oil very nicely.

Right now I'm focusing on diffusing techniques, and trying to get better second day hair.
3A~fine texture
Cleanser: GiovanniTTTT, Deva Low Poo
Condish: Deva One C, GiovanniTTTT, GVP Balm
Styler: Deva ArcANGELL, HESMU, AG Mousse Gel
Want to try: CJ Gellie, Hand Dry Hair Glove, BRHG
I <3 second day hair
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PW curlyhair
Your curl looks just like mine I wish I'd learned to love it at your age! I'm not sure about the no poo part, so you might want to check ingredients, but I LOVE MY Aussie Aussome Volume texturizing gel. I think they just changed the formula, I love it just a little less, but I'm not changing. I rake it through upside down every morning (I co wash daily) and diffuse partially dry upside down as well, then SOTC when it's dry. This weekend I'm going to try adding honey to my conditioner (Suave).
I would suggest trying to find a Deva trained hairdresser, someone who will cut your hair dry, curl by curl. Your hair has been thinned or layered so much that you're going to have to sacrifice length, but my experience is that a good Deva stylist can make the most of what you've got that's reasonably workable, and leave you with as much length as possible.

I foolishly tried a Quidad cut after finally getting my hair grown out from traditional cuts. I'm sure they're great for some people, but I could see the damage as soon as I washed it -- my curl pattern isn't uniform, and when it's cut wet, it will, apparently, always look uneven when dry, even when the hairdresser knows curls.

I made an appointment with my regular stylist, but managed to totally flake out about the date. I was fortunate enough to be able to have my hair cut about a month or so after the disasterous one by a superb Deva stylist (Struttswife) while I was visiting family in Florida, who managed to leave me with almost as much length, but a much more harmonious style, and, needless to say, no longer an uneven look.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008

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