New 3C needs help >_<

Hi everyone I finally joined the community after stalking around here for a good year. I went natural about a year ago after I cut me waist length straight hair and realized that my natural hair was beautiful. (That's thanks to my wonderful boyfriend) So I just got it cut again, but this time extremely short so that I wouldn't have any of my relaxed or dyed hair. Now I'm 100% healthy and natural. It's a great feeling but my hair is driving me crazy! I had my hair cut by someon who really had no idea what they were doing in my head, but sure could pretend like they did. She sheared some of my hair, so now it's think on the inside with the ends all thin. Haaa I had to go back and recut it a bit so it wouldn't look like I was wearing a helmit for for hair. Yes she cut my hair like Magneto's helmet. I was so upset.
So now I can't find anything that will make my hair look and feel well not like a rats nest. It's so frizzy and no matter what I try it never gets better. My hair is always conditioned. I don't poo but once a week. I do both deep treatments and cholesterol treatments. Oh and hot oil treatments. I don't put anything with alcohol denat in my hair. I try to stay away from cones and mineral oil as much as possible. So why oh why won't my hair act right? It won't even clump up like normally would. I like chunky curls but now it's either a puff of frizz or very stringy curls (with frizz of course)
I just tried the KCCC and my hair didn't take to it at all. So I tried using it with Long Aids Aloe vera gel. That just made it a little hard, stringy, and frizzy. I tried everything from Garnier. None of it worked. The Long Aid aloe vera gel was great when my hair was a little longer but it still didn't do much about the frizz. I've tried serums of all kinds. I used to use Curls Rock. It held pretty well but took out all volume. I just want frizz free, not stringy curls. Oh I've been switching around shampoos but my favorite has been esencia by samy. It was great but then my hair got used to it. I tried the Foxy Curl line. That was terrible. I've tried mousses. All left my hair frizzy and weird feeling.
So any advice? I was thinking about the curlisto products. But they're so expensive. It'd be ok if I was sure it would work.
Oh and the hair dresser I went to also pushed morrocan oil curl cream on me. I folded and got it without looking at the ingrediants. The first one is mineral oil. My hair hates that cream.

I've actually been eyeing a flat iron because my hair is upsetting me so much. But I don't want to go back to that again.
I put up a pic. It looks way better in the pic than it actually looks.>_<ugh.JPG

Please savvvveeee meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
back away from the flat iron. LOl

You might like lock and twist gel. It is nice, thick and moisturizing. Trying wearing your hair in two strand twist until it grows out some. what about shea butter.. have you tried it yet? In the meantime, buy products from Sephora or Whole Foods. You can return used products with a receipt. Or you can just ask for a sample and Sephora...that's free without any commitment or hassle.

Don't give up though.
Thanks for the reply. The lock and twist? Now can you use it even if you don't twist your hair? Does it make your hair greasy? I have a lot of problems with rich products making my hair very oily feeling. Whole foods has hair supplies? Oh wow. I live kind of far from one, but I'll make the journey. Sephora gives you free samples? Is that for any product?
How about straightening balms? Do you think that that would calm the frizz?
Read everything on this site. This will help you determine what ingredients will work with your hair texture and porosity.

Go here too. It will explain very simply what a lot of us do for our hair care-wise.

Feel free to PM me with questions if you'd like. I'd be happy to help if I can.

You have beautiful hair with tons of potential!
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I have been using the Teri curl priming method check it out here, and it has really helped with frizz and to define my curls without making my hair feel crunchy or sticky.
To me it looks like you're not getting your product all over evenly.. are you applying in sections and combing through? Is your hair wet when you apply your products?

And yes, try the conditioner-only (aka Teri) method with a thick moisturizing condish (I use Aussie Moist). Even though it has 'cones I've had no problems with it.

Actually I have found that I used to use too MUCH conditioner for my hair (like 4 pumps) and that made it flaky and weird feeling. Now I use 1 to 2 pumps for my entire head.. but I water the condish down a bit in my hands so it spreads through more easily.
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My staples: Mane n Tail (cowash), Garnier Fructis Sleek n Shine (leave in condish), Grapeseed oil or shea butter (sealing), Organic Root Stimulator Elasticitea (leave-in condish & light hold)
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2nd(3rd?) trying the conditioner as leave-in method.

If your hair is stringy and frizzes easily it may be fine like mine. Gel seemed to have too hard a hold, but conditioner was good even though the hold wasn't as good.

My fave leave-in conditioners were also some of the ones Teri mentions - Hello Hydration, Pantene Relaxed and Natural, and Finesse. It seems (to me) that the cones actually give the conditioner hold because I tried using coneless cond. for leave-ins and they didn't hold at all. The exception being Giovanni Direct Leave-In.

As for gels, the one that gave me the smoothest hold was probably Herbal Essences Set Me Up. The one that gave me actual clumps was Queen Helene Cholesterol Conditioning Gel, but it doesn't get a lot of love around here.

Curl activators seem to make my hair stringy and frizzy too.

Oh, and welcome.
What you're going through sounds so familiar to me.

Looks like you've already received lots of good advice, so I just stopped in to tell you to keep your chin up - you'll get your hair in order soon. Sometimes it's amazing how quickly hair can bounce back from some of the things we do to it.
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Thanks everyone! You guys have been really helpful! I'm about to check out those links.
So the Queen Helene conditioning cholesterol gel is good stuff? Where could I get some?
And I'm definitely getting all the product thoughout my hair. I divide it into six sections. Today I used a leave-in conditioner, with a moisturizing hair dress, and curling mousse. I'ts not as frizzy but it's a bit hard and when I scrunge it out it just frizzes some more.
So question. Is mousse a no for 3c hair types? I've been thinking about trying the one by silk eliments since it has no alcohols.

Cones keep out the frizz? If so I might have to use some cones. I live in Orlando florida so the humidity is always out the roof.

What do you guys think about smoothing balms?
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Hi ganesa.

I got the Queen Helene from a Rite Aid. It's nothing fancy. The hold isn't hard really, but it gives me clumpy curls more than anything else. I don't use much gel right now though because I'm lazy and usually put my hair in a ponytail. lol

I can't speak for anybody else, but my hair HATES mousse! I don't know what it's supposed to do, but it just makes my hair poofy, frizzy, and dry.

Smoothing balms? Do you mean like frizz serums? If that's so, then most are full of silicones, so be aware of that if you're trying not to use them. I use silicones so I don't care. But I've never found serums to do all that much for me. I think they may be better for people with mostly straight hair who have an occasional fly away or something.

Hope that helps.
My hair hates mousse too, but again, curl type will not determine whehter or not a product works for you. You have to try it out to see if YOUR hair in particular likes it or not. Your hair may love it. You will only know once you try it. I knew a long haired girl with hair curlier than mine who claimed all she ever used was mousse..
"The challenge is to be yourself in a world that is trying to make you like everybody else."
"...rationality is not necessary to sell things.."
My staples: Mane n Tail (cowash), Garnier Fructis Sleek n Shine (leave in condish), Grapeseed oil or shea butter (sealing), Organic Root Stimulator Elasticitea (leave-in condish & light hold)
My hair hates mousse too, but again, curl type will not determine whehter or not a product works for you. You have to try it out to see if YOUR hair in particular likes it or not. Your hair may love it. You will only know once you try it. I knew a long haired girl with hair curlier than mine who claimed all she ever used was mousse..
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
bekkapoo just wanted to ask you a question. i been finding that lately when my i'm styling my hair and it's still damp it looks like it's going to dry looking great ...the curls are popping!!!! it's sleek and shiny but then it gets fuzzy when fully dry so i try using gel the next time but nothing what should i do?
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Conditioners: Suave (Assort.), breck, VO5,

Leave-in: Garnier Fructis) lustrasilk auessie moist KCKT, RosemarySage Tea spritz.

Stylers: L.A. Looks Sport Gel,L.A. Wet Looks Gel, Flaxseed honey gel.

DT: Lustrasilk ON DRY HAIR OR DAMP.
Extras: Coconut oil, olive oil,Honey.molassed citrus acid.
My hair hates mousse too, but again, curl type will not determine whehter or not a product works for you. You have to try it out to see if YOUR hair in particular likes it or not. Your hair may love it. You will only know once you try it. I knew a long haired girl with hair curlier than mine who claimed all she ever used was mousse..
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
bekkapoo just wanted to ask you a question. i been finding that lately when my i'm styling my hair and it's still damp it looks like it's going to dry looking great ...the curls are popping!!!! it's sleek and shiny but then it gets fuzzy when fully dry so i try using gel the next time but nothing what should i do?
Originally Posted by Nadine-valentine
Hrm.. you're not touching it til it's 100% dry and it's still "fuzzy"? Can I see a pic of what you mean? There is going to still be a certain amount of fuzziness with curly hair, so just remember that, but if it's more than that...

(puts on thinking cap)

Ok.. here's a couple of ideas:

1. Have you tried smoothing your curls down to the ends (with product of course) while your hair is still dripping wet?

2. Or you could try twirling just those sections that tend to be more fuzzy, while wet, with product, and then air dry.

Also what products are you using on your wet hair?
"The challenge is to be yourself in a world that is trying to make you like everybody else."
"...rationality is not necessary to sell things.."
My staples: Mane n Tail (cowash), Garnier Fructis Sleek n Shine (leave in condish), Grapeseed oil or shea butter (sealing), Organic Root Stimulator Elasticitea (leave-in condish & light hold)
My hair hates mousse too, but again, curl type will not determine whehter or not a product works for you. You have to try it out to see if YOUR hair in particular likes it or not. Your hair may love it. You will only know once you try it. I knew a long haired girl with hair curlier than mine who claimed all she ever used was mousse..
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
bekkapoo just wanted to ask you a question. i been finding that lately when my i'm styling my hair and it's still damp it looks like it's going to dry looking great ...the curls are popping!!!! it's sleek and shiny but then it gets fuzzy when fully dry so i try using gel the next time but nothing what should i do?
Originally Posted by Nadine-valentine
Hrm.. you're not touching it til it's 100% dry and it's still "fuzzy"? Can I see a pic of what you mean? There is going to still be a certain amount of fuzziness with curly hair, so just remember that, but if it's more than that...

(puts on thinking cap)

Ok.. here's a couple of ideas:

1. Have you tried smoothing your curls down to the ends (with product of course) while your hair is still dripping wet?

2. Or you could try twirling just those sections that tend to be more fuzzy, while wet, with product, and then air dry.

Also what products are you using on your wet hair?
Originally Posted by :shock:


i use just plain old codish with honey mixed in for shine ... i just told my mom she said it also might be that it's hot in humid here this week so that might be the problem and my condish does have humectants and i have also been working outside alot while my hair is still damp and here i was thinking my hair would do better air drying outside.. but usually my hair loves humectants
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High Porosity.

Conditioners: Suave (Assort.), breck, VO5,

Leave-in: Garnier Fructis) lustrasilk auessie moist KCKT, RosemarySage Tea spritz.

Stylers: L.A. Looks Sport Gel,L.A. Wet Looks Gel, Flaxseed honey gel.

DT: Lustrasilk ON DRY HAIR OR DAMP.
Extras: Coconut oil, olive oil,Honey.molassed citrus acid.

bekkapoo just wanted to ask you a question. i been finding that lately when my i'm styling my hair and it's still damp it looks like it's going to dry looking great ...the curls are popping!!!! it's sleek and shiny but then it gets fuzzy when fully dry so i try using gel the next time but nothing what should i do?
Originally Posted by Nadine-valentine
Hrm.. you're not touching it til it's 100% dry and it's still "fuzzy"? Can I see a pic of what you mean? There is going to still be a certain amount of fuzziness with curly hair, so just remember that, but if it's more than that...

(puts on thinking cap)

Ok.. here's a couple of ideas:

1. Have you tried smoothing your curls down to the ends (with product of course) while your hair is still dripping wet?

2. Or you could try twirling just those sections that tend to be more fuzzy, while wet, with product, and then air dry.

Also what products are you using on your wet hair?
Originally Posted by :shock:


i use just plain old codish with honey mixed in for shine ... i just told my mom she said it also might be that it's hot in humid here this week so that might be the problem and my condish does have humectants and i have also been working outside alot while my hair is still damp and here i was thinking my hair would do better air drying outside.. but usually my hair loves humectants
Originally Posted by Nadine-valentine



i also read this article my mother suggested
this sound like what happen to me .. my curls totally fell out and my hair is very porous, but i thought high porosity hair like humectants




High Humidity

In high-humidity conditions, such as summertime in the southeastern United States or the tropics — where the relative humidity can easily reach or exceed 90 percent during the day — there is a tremendous amount of moisture in the air. This can be disastrous for curly hair. If curly hair is dry and damaged, it is very porous, and easily absorbs water from the air. In high-humidity conditions, this can cause curly hair to swell so much that cuticles are raised, making the surface of the hair very rough. These cuticles can then become entangled with cuticles of adjacent hairs and create a huge, tangled mass, which is prone to breakage. Also, curly hair swollen by excess water can lose its curl pattern, creating the dreaded summer frizz.

Clearly, products heavy in humectants will only exacerbate problems with humidity-induced frizz. Some humectants can also develop a sticky feeling when they become saturated with water, which is certainly an undesirable characteristic for hair. Thus, in tropical and subtropical climates, it is essential to maintain well-moisturized hair that is in good condition (which will be less prone to absorbing water from the hair). But it is preferable to use products containing fewer humectants or humectants with less hygroscopic capacity.

Due to the limitations and pitfalls of humectants in extreme weather conditions, it is apparent that these ingredients probably function best for curly-haired consumers in moderate climates, with temperatures and humidity in the medium range.

Next month, we will discuss some of the different humectants in more detail.
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High Porosity.

Conditioners: Suave (Assort.), breck, VO5,

Leave-in: Garnier Fructis) lustrasilk auessie moist KCKT, RosemarySage Tea spritz.

Stylers: L.A. Looks Sport Gel,L.A. Wet Looks Gel, Flaxseed honey gel.

DT: Lustrasilk ON DRY HAIR OR DAMP.
Extras: Coconut oil, olive oil,Honey.molassed citrus acid.

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