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I was just wondering how I can get my hair like Naomi Allen (girl from electrik red) Or Jennifer Freeman? I think I have 3c curls. But it's hard to get them the way I want .

Every night I oil my hair with cocnut oil and a mix of other oils. Then I braid my hair up into 8 sections four on each side and spray those braids with a mix of conditioner and water. I just wanna know how can I achieve this look without this huge process. It seems as if I can't get my hair to curl unless I go through this, or else parts come out curly and the rest of it is a big frizzy mess.

I wanna be able to just wash and go and get defined curls. I have tried this method but my hair comes out stringy!!!!
Have you tried shingling in your products? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g02R7n77kHQ

I not suggesting you use Miss Jessie's, but just the process is nice. I using get really good definition doing this.

This website is also very good and showing us how to style using just a thick conditioner - http://www.tightlycurly.com/CurlyPrimer.aspx.

Oils used along tend to make my hair frizz like crazy. In fact, I usually have to clarify it out in order to get my curls back. I'm not sure why this happens, but it does. With shingling though, I've figured out a way to use coconut oil and EVOO (my two favorites) , and even though my hair still frizzes, I can just shingle in a good gel, and I get really nice curls.

Plus, with the oil under the gel, I find it's easier to scrunch the crunch and get nice fluffy curls.

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Yes try shingling your hair, and you also might want to reverse the order of the products you're using. Put in the water and conditioner first, then seal with oil (but not too much) on the ends only.

I didn't have much luck with coconut oil either-- got the frizzies. I did better with 100% shea butter and Africa's Best oil.

Good luck
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Well I'm trying to get the giovanni leave in conditioner this weekend. Thanks for the help. I really want to try the conditioner method, but my hair doesn't absorb water as well as the girl who was doing it. So I'm going to wait for it to grow and then try the conditioner method. Until then I will try the shingling method.
Shingling is a great method...I learned that I'd can achieve the same look just by smoothing conditioner through my wet hair. Saved me a lot of time.
I apply curl activator Gel such as IC fantasia in sections and brush with my denman. My hair comes out well defined without the use of extra hair oil and butter.

I usually get 3-4 day hair all I have to do is spritz my hair with water in the morning.

I try to deep condition each time I co-wash. Im currently using the LA curl activator which has extra glycerin for moisture.
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I have to second the use of the deman. It's the bomb for product distribution.
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I guess it would help more seeing what your hair actually looks like because even with all the methods mentioned(which are great suggestions), you still may not be able to attain the style of the ladies you mentioned.
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I can't see your hair so it's hard to judge.. but if you have to braid your hair and all of what you said or otherwise you can't get it to curl then you may not have 3c hair because totally natural 3c curls are a pretty definite thing...

I have 3c hair myself and a wash and go for me is a well defined corkscrew curl pattern and I don't need to even touch it or put any product on it after I get out of the shower for it to curl..it does that on it's own. Totally natural Type 3c's shouldn't have to do anything to the hair to get it to curl besides wet it.. like if it's been previously brushed or straigthen non-chemically or something..because it already has a natural definite curl pattern.

BTW, Jennifer Freeman doesn't have type 3c hair. I don't know who Naomi Allen is so I can't say.. but I watched Jennifer Freeman all the time on My Wife and Kids and she's probably a 3a. Her hair is not a 3c at all.. not even a little bit..her curls are way to loose.

A 3c would be Rachel True or even Scary Spice before she straightened her hair... and Jennifer Freeman doesn't have hair like myself, Rachel True, or Scary Spice.

Anyway, there is a woman on You Tube that shows how to get bigger curls like Leona Lewis on her natural hair.. you may want to check it out.. here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVeoJTLoZ8
I didn't know who the OP was talking about either, but I just googled Jennifer Freeman. Yeah she has pretty loose curls. For your hair to look like that I'd think you have to have looser curls to begin with, and length.. at a shorter length you may not have that amount of looseness. I couldn't get my hair to look like hers either (not that I'm trying) without more length, and probably a lot of curl activator..lol.
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To the OP: those girls seem to have looser curls. Do you have pics? Hair curl and styling options also changes dramatically with length. Give it time, I guess.

You're hair might not do what theirs does, but I'm sure it does something beautiful and unique to you.

And if its length you want, patience and simplicity go a long way for hair growth, it seems.


I have 3c hair myself and a wash and go for me is a well defined corkscrew curl pattern and I don't need to even touch it or put any product on it after I get out of the shower for it to curl..it does that on it's own. Totally natural Type 3c's shouldn't have to do anything to the hair to get it to curl besides wet it.. like if it's been previously brushed or straigthen non-chemically or something..because it already has a natural definite curl pattern.

\ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKVeoJTLoZ8
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
Isn't curling on its own without much manipulation other than water/moisture/whatever more to do with texture/behavior than curl size? I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...

I have very tight, coily, corkscrew, O looking hair that is very self defining (can't get it to do anything else actually) and it's 4a on any popular typing system because the curl diameter is tiny, pen size being the largest.
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I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...
Originally Posted by springyhead
I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
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I was just wondering how I can get my hair like Naomi Allen (girl from electrik red) Or Jennifer Freeman? I think I have 3c curls. But it's hard to get them the way I want .

Every night I oil my hair with cocnut oil and a mix of other oils. Then I braid my hair up into 8 sections four on each side and spray those braids with a mix of conditioner and water. I just wanna know how can I achieve this look without this huge process. It seems as if I can't get my hair to curl unless I go through this, or else parts come out curly and the rest of it is a big frizzy mess.

I wanna be able to just wash and go and get defined curls. I have tried this method but my hair comes out stringy!!!!
Originally Posted by CurlyHeaven
I don't know who Naomi is, but I have seen the hair of actress Jennifer Freeman. From what you are doing to your hair to achieve curls I would say this would be a very hard look for you to achieve. In my opinion you would need to have this type of hair and texture and I don't get that from what you posted. If you could provide a picture it would better assist others with determining if this look can be achieved on your natural hair or if there was a way to do it with rollers or something. Also, in regards to the frizziness if you provided information about your exact regimen that could also help.

I will say that you had the confidence and determination to become natural and you should love your natural hair and what your particular hair can do. I can understand wanting a certain hairstyle. But, the tone of your email suggest you want their type of hair and that confuses me. However, if I am misunderstanding I will apologize in advance. Your hair is beautiful and unique to you. That is a marvelous thing.

I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...
Originally Posted by springyhead
I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
When I hear "texture" my thoughts are actual texture. Meaning fine, medium or coarse hair. I am confused like you as to what the curl size has to do with texture because I didn't see "texture" mentioned anywhere but that post!
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I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...
Originally Posted by springyhead
I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
When I hear "texture" my thoughts are actual texture. Meaning fine, medium or coarse hair. I am confused like you as to what the curl size has to do with texture because I didn't see "texture" mentioned anywhere but that post!
Originally Posted by NaturallyCurlyEnnovy

Yeah...I second that. I mentioned texture and behavior in my post in response to another post describing 3c hair as hair that curls easily with water. I thought that how "easy" a person's hair curls or coils has more to do with someone's hair texture and/or behavior, rather than just the curl size, which I thought was type. Hey. Since curly hair is three dimensional (hehe), maybe their should be a third category: behavior.

Aw forget it. I'm confusing myself just trying to explain. I'm kickin rocks now.
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Wash: Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castille Soap.
Conditioner: Tigi Bedhead Moisture Maniac/Suave Humectants
Moisturizers: Long Aid
Styler: Ecostyler Clear/ Vitamin E Oil
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I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
When I hear "texture" my thoughts are actual texture. Meaning fine, medium or coarse hair. I am confused like you as to what the curl size has to do with texture because I didn't see "texture" mentioned anywhere but that post!
Originally Posted by NaturallyCurlyEnnovy

Yeah...I second that. I mentioned texture and behavior in my post in response to another post describing 3c hair as hair that curls easily with water. I thought that how "easy" a person's hair curls or coils has more to do with someone's hair texture and/or behavior, rather than just the curl size, which I thought was type. Hey. Since curly hair is three dimensional (hehe), maybe their should be a third category: behavior.

Aw forget it. I'm confusing myself just trying to explain. I'm kickin rocks now.
Originally Posted by springyhead
NOooooooOOoo! lol

I was just wondering because sometimes I get comments on my fotki saying things like "Oh I like your texture", and I'm never sure what to say beyond "thank you". I don't know how you (gy) can determine texture/feel from looking at a picture..
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Yeah...I second that. I mentioned texture and behavior in my post in response to another post describing 3c hair as hair that curls easily with water. I thought that how "easy" a person's hair curls or coils has more to do with someone's hair texture and/or behavior, rather than just the curl size, which I thought was type. Hey. Since curly hair is three dimensional (hehe), maybe their should be a third category: behavior.

Aw forget it. I'm confusing myself just trying to explain. I'm kickin rocks now.
Originally Posted by springyhead
I read somewhere that if you have curls when you get out of the shower and without any product then you are in the type 2 category. I'm pretty sure it was a thread somewhere on this board and someone posted a link. So that is probably why they made that comment if they read it too.

Yeah, it is all confusing to me!! So many ways to look at hair by different people. When it really doesn't matter at all. At first I was all excited about this hair typing thing. Now I'm like....why?? Because it is all trial and error. I can find someone with the same exact hair as me (or as close as possible) and it's still not a guarantee that we can use the same products. My hair may not react in the same way or even my SCALP may not.

NOooooooOOoo! lol

I was just wondering because sometimes I get comments on my fotki saying things like "Oh I like your texture", and I'm never sure what to say beyond "thank you". I don't know how you (gy) can determine texture/feel from looking at a picture..
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
I know right!! I comment on the style, accessories or the way the curls look (ie..shiney, healthy, etc). I guess if it is a close up photo with fantastic quality you could maybe see the texture. Perhaps that should be a topic!!
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Isn't curling on its own without much manipulation other than water/moisture/whatever more to do with texture/behavior than curl size? I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...

I have very tight, coily, corkscrew, O looking hair that is very self defining (can't get it to do anything else actually) and it's 4a on any popular typing system because the curl diameter is tiny, pen size being the largest.
I am not sure what exact response you are looking for since what you wrote doesn't seem to have to do with what my point was based on what you quoted...

Um.. what I can comment on is..that My hair is not O shaped.. It's corkscrew like if you were to pull the corkscrew out and stretch it. I suppose the best description would be that it looks like a pulled out slinky in it's natural state without me doing anything to it. It has a defined curl pattern naturally with no manipulation and doesn't have an O shape.

That doesn't have anything to do with texture..so I am not sure why you refer to it. You kind of lost me there or perhaps I just misunderstood what you were conveying. But in any event, Texture really has to do with the actual appearance, feel, and managablness of the hair. I don't really see what that has to do with curls per se. You can have a really thick coarse texture and be a certain hair type but another person can have a softer thinner texture and their hair can still be the same hair type.

To me an O shape means the hair collapses on itself to form an O that is close to the scalp. My hair doesn't do that.. it actually springs out from my scalp like a slinky.

My point was if the Original Poster has to do anything to her hair to evoke a curl ..she's probably isn't a 3c..because 3c hair is already curled with a definite curl pattern that you can see clearly and you don't need to do anything to get it that way. So does 4a for that matter.

She could possibly have type 4b or what some are calling 4c hair which both can be wiry and forms Z's. Of course all of this is conjecture because she didn't show a picture in the thread. But there are just some FACTS about curly hair and if you have to "get it" to curl as she stated..then we can deduce it's not a certain type by using logic BASED on what she stated. And she did infact state she can't get her hair to curl unless she goes through the process she described with the braids. Well with 3c hair you don't have to "get it" to curl. It just does naturally.

So if what she stated about her hair is indeed accurate then she wouldn't be able to achieve a Jennifer Freeman look without actually doing some manipulation to her hair if she could get it like that at all. Besides that Jennifer Freeman doesn't even have type 3c hair to begin with...and the Original Poster seem to convey that she wanted a wash and go to be like that and well it's common sense if you don't have hair like that to begin with you can't do a wash and go and expect it to fall that way. You would HAVE to do some manipulation.

That was my point.

Last edited by Marah Mizrahi; 08-18-2009 at 01:36 PM.
I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...
Originally Posted by springyhead
I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
You don't sound dumb at all. A lot of people don't know what this is.. because generally people forget what they learned about textures in grammar school.

Actual TEXTURE has to do with the feel, appearance, and managability of the hair. Texture is basically a measurement of how fine or coarse the hair.

Basically hair texture has four types: Fine, Medium, Coarse, and Wiry. There are also four ranges in hair texture and they are: thin, medium, or thick in density and the hair can be any type meaning straight, wavy, curly, or kinky.

Two people with the same EXACT hair type on the popular hair typing scales that are used today can have different textures.

For instance, two type 3c's can have different textures. As in one can have thick and coarse hair that may not be easy to manage when manipulating it. Another type 3c may have thinner, finer, softer hair that may be easier for them to manage. That's texture. Same with any other hair types.

Curl typing has to do basically with the size and shape of the curl pattern itself.. not the feel, and managability.

This may help you to understand it better.. texture is mainly to do with the sensation you get from touching it. Is it soft, hard, fuzzy, smooth, thick, thin, wiry, etc. Remember when you were in grammar school and they let you feel swatches of various fabrics like cotton, wool, satin, etc ? They were teaching you TEXTURE.

A Curl Type, at least on the generally thought of hair scales don't have anything to do with texture. They have to do with the size and shapes of the curls.

When a lot of people say they like your texture after looking at your picture..they may simply mean they like how your hair looks to their naked eye. That could mean they like how soft your hair looks or maybe how thick it looks or that they may simply like your curl pattern. It could mean a bevy of things to that individual.

But the actual definition of texture has to do with feel, overall appearance, and managableness. It's basically the measurement in degree of how fine or coarse hair is in diameter.

Hope that helps you out...
I thought the main difference between 3c and 4a, if any, was the size, not texture...
Originally Posted by springyhead
I hope this doesn't sound dumb, but I never understood this.. what is "texture" supposed to mean? And yes curl size is what puts you in one box or another, but what does that have to do with this "texture" thing?
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
You don't sound dumb at all. A lot of people don't know what this is.. because generally people forget what they learned about textures in grammar school.

Actual TEXTURE has to do with the feel, appearance, and managability of the hair. Texture is basically a measurement of how fine or coarse the hair.

Basically hair texture has four types: Fine, Medium, Coarse, and Wiry. There are also four ranges in hair texture and they are: thin, medium, or thick in density and the hair can be any type meaning straight, wavy, curly, or kinky.

Two people with the same EXACT hair type on the popular hair typing scales that are used today can have different textures.

For instance, two type 3c's can have different textures. As in one can have thick and coarse hair that may not be easy to manage when manipulating it. Another type 3c may have thinner, finer, softer hair that may be easier for them to manage. That's texture. Same with any other hair types.

Curl typing has to do basically with the size and shape of the curl pattern itself.. not the feel, and managability.

This may help you to understand it better.. texture is mainly to do with the sensation you get from touching it. Is it soft, hard, fuzzy, smooth, thick, thin, wiry, etc. Remember when you were in grammar school and they let you feel swatches of various fabrics like cotton, wool, satin, etc ? They were teaching you TEXTURE.

A Curl Type, at least on the generally thought of hair scales don't have anything to do with texture. They have to do with the size and shapes of the curls.

When a lot of people say they like your texture after looking at your picture..they may simply mean they like how your hair looks to their naked eye. That could mean they like how soft your hair looks or maybe how thick it looks or that they may simply like your curl pattern. It could mean a bevy of things to that individual.

But the actual definition of texture has to do with feel, overall appearance, and managableness. It's basically the measurement in degree of how fine or coarse hair is in diameter.

Hope that helps you out...
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi

Hrm.. well thanks for your perspective. That helps me out actually.

But I don't want anyone going around thinking just because your hair is "fine" in texture that this makes it more manageable necessarily. And what is "manageable" supposed to mean? Ones hair is as manageable as ones skills allow, right? I don't think I could manage my hair now if it went from curly to straight because I completely ruined my hair when it was chemically straight (which is why I want nothing to do with having straight hair..lol).
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Hrm.. well thanks for your perspective. That helps me out actually.

But I don't want anyone going around thinking just because your hair is "fine" in texture that this makes it more manageable necessarily. And what is "manageable" supposed to mean? Ones hair is as manageable as ones skills allow, right? I don't think I could manage my hair now if it went from curly to straight because I completely ruined my hair when it was chemically straight (which is why I want nothing to do with having straight hair..lol).
You are welcome....

LOL.. people are going to think what they WANT to think whether one wants them to or not so I don't worry about it that much. I've personally come to the conclusion that it's just life....

But NOTICE... I stated that another 3c MAY HAVE a thinner, finer texture, that MAY be easier for them to manage. Please refer back to my post and notice I prefaced it with the word MAY. Conveying and indicating that it is possible not neccessarily probable...

Managable when refering to hair texture really just means how easy it is to manipulate one way or the other.. meaning how easy it is to comb, style, etc.

But I comprehend what you mean... but hey people will think what they will..

I have really thick hair and a lot of it and some could think it's hard as heck to manage..but for me it's easy to manage because I know what I am doing with MY hair.

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