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Old 04-07-2010, 07:35 PM   #1
 
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Question Heat damage vs Heat training

Is there a difference?

I was doing some blog surfing, and I stumbled upon another heat damage horror story and after years of heat damage this young lady had what looked like 3b hair, which made me think, hm...most of the ladies ive seen with so-called heat trained hair have a really loosened curl pattern... So my question is...

Is heat training really just heat texturizing?
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Heat training is heat damage. Period. It scorches the strand(s) to the point where it doesn't revert back to its natural texture/curl pattern.

You can still have a curl or wave to the hair if it's damaged. Just like you can relax your hair and still have a curl or wave.
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it's damage to me, but some folks may not consider it damage because they like how their hair looks and/or feels.

but coming from someone that had heat trained/damaged hair, i can tell you that i prefer my hair to have no damage.
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Heat training is heat damage. Period. It scorches the strand(s) to the point where it doesn't revert back to its natural texture/curl pattern.

You can still have a curl or wave to the hair if it's damaged. Just like you can relax your hair and still have a curl or wave.
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:36 PM   #5
 
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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
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It's damage. But other types of manipulation can be "damaging" too. It's all about your hair, your hair goals and what you can live with. For some folks the question is what's worse: damage that changes their curl pattern, or damage that causes hair breakage. Or, you might be a lucky curlyhead and don't have to worry about damage at all because of your routine, technique, or being blessed with resilient hair (I'm envious of those types).

I don't care whether the damage is caused with a comb, a blow dryer, bad protein/moisture balance, twists, over manipulation, flat iron... if the damage is severe, it's gonna look damaged and that ain't cute. So be careful...
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heat trained = heat damage, I mean let's call a spade a spade.
yes you may have some curl or some wave but it's still damage meaning anything that is unable to revert back to its original state.

People may not want to admit that it's damage but it is. I know from personal experience. Like Empressi said I like hair without the damage
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Old 04-08-2010, 09:18 AM   #8
 
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I think for people who do decide to use heat they should stay AWAY and far away from pressing combs. They are noooo good for your hair. Why not use steam rollers and one step steam irons that inject steam into the hair (i.e. the maxi glide). It is less damaging and just seems like a smarter choice.
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i agree that heat training & heat damage are the same thing. it just seems like people who want their hair straight use the word "trained" and people who want their hair curly use "damaged".
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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
I'm telling you, I really think it's about perception. They think if it still has a curl and looks cute to them, it's not damaged. I've read some posts where people WANTED it. I'm ilke wow, really, why?!

Whatever. To each her own!
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i agree with eccentric_kurlz too.

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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
I'm telling you, I really think it's about perception. They think if it still has a curl and looks cute to them, it's not damaged. I've read some posts where people WANTED it. I'm ilke wow, really, why?!

Whatever. To each her own!
this kind of bugs me too. i always find it interesting (for lack of a better word) when people do that.
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It's damage. But other types of manipulation can be "damaging" too. It's all about your hair, your hair goals and what you can live with. For some folks the question is what's worse: damage that changes their curl pattern, or damage that causes hair breakage. Or, you might be a lucky curlyhead and don't have to worry about damage at all because of your routine, technique, or being blessed with resilient hair (I'm envious of those types).

I don't care whether the damage is caused with a comb, a blow dryer, bad protein/moisture balance, twists, over manipulation, flat iron... if the damage is severe, it's gonna look damaged and that ain't cute. So be careful...
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i agree that heat training & heat damage are the same thing. it just seems like people who want their hair straight use the word "trained" and people who want their hair curly use "damaged".
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i agree with eccentric_kurlz too.

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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
I'm telling you, I really think it's about perception. They think if it still has a curl and looks cute to them, it's not damaged. I've read some posts where people WANTED it. I'm ilke wow, really, why?!

Whatever. To each her own!
this kind of bugs me too. i always find it interesting (for lack of a better word) when people do that.
i agree with all of this
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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
I'm telling you, I really think it's about perception. They think if it still has a curl and looks cute to them, it's not damaged. I've read some posts where people WANTED it. I'm ilke wow, really, why?!

Whatever. To each her own!
One of my best friends has hair like this...I would say her roots are tight - 4a/4b...but you can tell where she has straightened her hair b/c many of the strands are completely straight with a few spirals at the bottom. When I asked her about it, she said her hair shrinks a lot and she couldn't even imagine how tight it'd be if she didn't "loosen" with heat. I was kinda speechless?
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heat trained = heat damage, I mean let's call a spade a spade.
yes you may have some curl or some wave but it's still damage meaning anything that is unable to revert back to its original state.

People may not want to admit that it's damage but it is. I know from personal experience. Like Empressi said I like hair without the damage
yes, i agree completely. if the hair cannot return back to its original curl pattern - relaxed, texturized, heat trained - it's all damage.
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LOL, I was wondering when this thread was going to start/come up.

IMO - heat trained = heat damage .
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It's all the same to me. I wouldn't do it to my hair, but some people find it works for them. And since everything we do to our hair causes some damage anyway, it's not like heat is that huge of a deal in the long run. Just means you have to be that much more careful.
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Its the same thing, but to me, if a person is happy with their hair that way, I'm not going to bash them and/or be mad at them for it. It's their choice.
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Heat training is heat damage. Period. It scorches the strand(s) to the point where it doesn't revert back to its natural texture/curl pattern.

You can still have a curl or wave to the hair if it's damaged. Just like you can relax your hair and still have a curl or wave.

You said it all right there! I don't care what people say, it is damage. Been there, done that, don't like it!
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I totally agree with eccentric_kurlz. This "heat training" business is just heat damage. It cracks me up though that some people try to put a nice name on it.. like that suddenly makes it err.. not damage.
I'm telling you, I really think it's about perception. They think if it still has a curl and looks cute to them, it's not damaged. I've read some posts where people WANTED it. I'm ilke wow, really, why?!

Whatever. To each her own!
Yep.. I agree and I've even seen people try to pass off heat damaged hair as their natural curl pattern.. I knew someone who predominately wore their hair straightened but was natural.. on the rare occassions that she wore it in its natural state she would point to areas of her hair and say "oooh look at all my waves and loose curls" and I am like...errr uhh thats heat damage boo.. I can see this and I dont know why she couldn't but like Empressri said.. to each her own. Why someone would prefer damaged hair to have a "looser curl" is beyond my scope of understanding..
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