4c Hair Care Need Help Asap

Hello All!
I have 4C hair(maybe 4B). I have been natural for 5 years, but have used weaves and pressing. I just started going au natural curly. However, I find that my hair is BEYOND dry. Every morning, I have to rinse, put in a leave in conditioner and other moisturizers. My curls are very defined in some areas. Some areas, my hair afros up. And others just kink up. The next morning, my hair is dry and matted. What should I do? I notice that I lose a little bit of hair every morning when I rinse. I need to find a way to keep it moisurized and not have to rinse. But I want it to curl all over.. What do I do?? Can anyone help a sista out?

All of the heat pressed hair has been cut off. My hair still has length to it. I see some defined curl patterns - some curlies, some Zs.

Here are the steps I take to do my hair in the morning:

Rinse - (comb out in shower)
Use Giovanni leave in conditioner
Use Curl Junkie Coffee- coco curl creme
Use kinky curly knot today

I smooth everything thru my hair with my hands. In some areas, the curls automatically curl up very nicely. At the top of my head, it curls but is fairly frizzy.

At night, I don't do anything. Sometimes I wrap it up, but I don't twist. I don't really care for the way it looks twisted. Even when I take them out. My hair looks less full..Plus twisting it is a lot of work..I have a ton of hair. It takes about 1- 1 1/2 hours to twist. My natural curls are very tight and small.

By day end, my hair is still slightly damp in the middle at the top, the ends are dry and curly in most places.

I appreciate any advice you can give.

Last edited by Geraldta; 04-14-2010 at 03:39 PM. Reason: additional information requested by others to provide assistance
Welcome.

Tell us more about what you do to your hair on a regular basis. That would help. The more specific your question, the better your answers will be.

If you have 4b hair, it is possible that you will not have a defined curl pattern that you expect to see. And a lot of ladies on here with 4 b hair do not leave their hair free. I have read that many of them do twists to keep their hair detangled at night and let it free in the mornings, which gives them a defined pattern during the day. Use the search function in the 4b hair thread for products and recommendations, and read ANYTHING that Kinky Rhonnie has to say. She has a lot of great tips to help and always seems willing.
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First off, make sure that your hair isn't heat damaged. Do some searches around here to find what that is. If you've been pressing pretty religiously without taking the proper precautions, you may have flattened out some of your curl pattern.

Otherwise, if you truly have 4b hair and want to wear a curl pattern, twist-outs/bantu-knot outs/braid-outs seem to work well.

As for the dryness problem, could you tell us specifically what products you are using? There are a lot of ingredients that aren't friendly for our hair type because they can actually cause excessive dryness and/or keep moisture out of our hair.
Hair Type: A collection of incredibly dense, gravity-defying very defined coffee-stirrer diameter coils. I am currently exclusively wearing wash-and gos.

Products
:Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner (low-poo), Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, Grapeseed Oil, KCCC or Ecostyler Gel (stylers)

All of the heat pressed hair has been cut off. My hair still has length to it. I see some defined curl patterns - some curlies, some Zs.

Here are the steps I take to do my hair in the morning:

Rinse - (comb out in shower)
Use Giovanni leave in conditioner
Use Curl Junkie Coffee- coco curl creme
Use kinky curly knot today

I smooth everything thru my hair with my hands. In some areas, the curls automatically curl up very nicely. At the top of my head, it curls but is fairly frizzy.

At night, I don't do anything. Sometimes I wrap it up, but I don't twist. I don't really care for the way it looks twisted. Even when I take them out. My hair looks less full..Plus twisting it is a lot of work..I have a ton of hair. It takes about 1- 1 1/2 hours to twist. My natural curls are very tight and small.

By day end, my hair is still slightly damp in the middle at the top, the ends are dry and curly in most places.

I appreciate any advice you can give.
Thanks - that does help to know/see.

Throwing things out:

Do you deep condition, hot oil treatments, etc? I did not see any attempt to add moisture in your regimen. That is very important.

Also, maybe re-think doing that regimen every day? That is a lot of manipulation - maybe your hair does not like it?

I know I am going to be villified for this, but do you shampoo? If so, is it sulfate / silicone free? I ask because when I experience extreme dryness, it is because my hair cannot receive moisture, which could be caused by product buildup. I find a nice clarifying shampoo really helps.

I did not mean twists that anyone would see. When my hair was longer, I would just put it up in one braid @ the top of my head or two twists to sleep at night. My point is I never went to sleep with the strands free. That would help with the styling the next morning, keep the tighter strands stretched, etc. I also wrap my hair every night. That will help alleviate the problems with the dryness and the strands moving around, rubbing each other, tangling.

It really sounds like you have two distinct curl types on your head, as do many of us. And it sounds like you want uniformity. Maybe the other ladies can help with some more styling options - I have NO creativity when it comes to that.
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Fine strands, not as densely-placed as I would like
Ayurvedic herbs are the TRUTH
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For the dryness, I'm concerned about your night routine and your leave-ins. Are you putting your hair naked on a cotton pillowcase at night? That's a habit that will definitely work against moisture retention. The Giovanni sounds like a light leave-in, you might need something heavier. The Curl Junkie product sounds heavier but it has glycerin as the 4th ingredient. Depending on your climate, it could be giving away your moisture to the air. It also looks like it's rich in proteins. Some strand sizes can't handle protein on an everyday basis and they dry out (click for an explanation from the Curl Junkie creator herself).

As far as the different curl types on your head, I have little advice because if your hair is like mine, That's Just The Way It Is. As others have said you can set your hair in twistouts or braidouts to make get a more uniform look. To make them more voluminous: use bigger sections, use the lightest products possible, don't use anything with hold, and separate with your fingers once it's dry.
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
protein is yummy
I did not mean twists that anyone would see. When my hair was longer, I would just put it up in one braid @ the top of my head or two twists to sleep at night. My point is I never went to sleep with the strands free. That would help with the styling the next morning, keep the tighter strands stretched, etc. I also wrap my hair every night. That will help alleviate the problems with the dryness and the strands moving around, rubbing each other, tangling.
+1. Even if I plan to wash it the next morning I put it in something -- bantu knots or a simple puff with a loose scrunci. And I tie a scarf around my hairline.

You didn't say what you do for rinse-out/moisturizing conditioning, cleansing and deep treatments. This is more important than leave-ins and stylers. Giovanni and CJ CCCC and KCCC are surface treatments. Get a good conditioning regimen going.
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Just seconding (or thirding) the above about incorporating deep conditioning treatments. Leave-ins are great for the outside of your hair, but I view them as surface buffers for the moisture that's actually within the hair strand. Try pampering your hair with a nice DC and see how it reacts.

Also agreeing with the tying it up. I sleep on silk pillowcases (Christmas gift from the parents ) and usually with a satin scarf on my head to keep the hair from moving around too much the next day. If you spend 6-8 hours lying on a fabric that's just dying to suck the moisture out of your hair, imo, your hair doesn't have a chance at staying moisturized.

Also, if you do not want to completely rewet your hair but think you need a moisture boost, try baggying. You just apply a moisturizer (I like to do AVG and water, or Giovanni Direct Leave-in and water) and then put a plastic cap over your head (or a sandwich bag over your ends if you want to) and leave it on for anywhere from 20 minutes to a couple hours. Only downside is that it creates humidity so your hair will likely revert if it's been stretched, but usually when I'm doing that it's already the end of a style and it's going to end up in a puff anyway.
Hair Type: A collection of incredibly dense, gravity-defying very defined coffee-stirrer diameter coils. I am currently exclusively wearing wash-and gos.

Products
:Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner (low-poo), Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner, Grapeseed Oil, KCCC or Ecostyler Gel (stylers)

I had some serious issues with dryness myself and once I started washing it with black soap infused with shea butter... I have seen some great results. I spray daily with a blend of oils and aloe vera gel. and my hair loves it! I know everyone's hair takes to different things but if you are looking to try something different these are all inexpensive and work wonders for me
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...Doing the homework on my hair but failing miserably!

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I'm slowly going crazy over the progress of my hair... I'm content with the length but the texture is not how i want it!
Thank you for all the feedback ladies...I am trying a few different things and will see how it goes.

I do have one question. What is black soap? I have never heard of that before.

Thanks,

Taryn
African Black Soap is generally made in western Africa.

The difference is, however, the preparation of the soap. Leaves and bark of various trees and plants are first burned in a kettle or vat. These may be leaves from banana trees, plantain skins, leaves and bark, palm tree leaves, cocoa pods, shea tree bark, etc.


Water is then added to the ashes and then filtered. Oils such as shea butter, coconut oil, palm oil, palm kernel oil, and cocoa butter are added to this water to create the soap. The soap is then hand stirred by local women for at least a day and then set out to cure for two weeks. Each region and tribe have their own recipe that has been handed down through generations. The color of African Black Soap varies depending on the region it's made in since the availability of the ingredients varies. African Black Soap from coastal regions of Africa contains a higher percentage of coconut oil whereas soap from the interior regions contains more shea butter.

Black soap is called many names, but the most common is Ose Dudu (doudoun), which comes from the Yoruba or Anago languages of Nigeria, Benin and Togo. Ose Dudu means literally Soap (ose) Black (dudu).

You can use this soap on your body, face, and hair. There are many claims on the benefits of using African Black Soap. The claims are that it helps relieve rashes, scalp irritations, softens rough skin, oily skin, dry skin, acne, blemishes and other skin problems.
4a/3c curls
Fine strands, not as densely-placed as I would like
Ayurvedic herbs are the TRUTH
Team Wash and Go!
iHerb code:UYA010 - get 5% off your first purchase
Hello everyone hope all is well,

I have been growing my relaxer out for about 1 1/2 maybe and I am not please with my results at all, my hair is hard and dry after washing, I try and put it in a ponytail, but it is extra fuzzy and leads me to blow dry and flat iron because this is the only way that I am comfortable. I am strongly thinking of relaxing again, but really do no want to go that route.

The products that I use it the cantu shea leave in conditioner, and sometimes a homemade mixture, I wash with shampoo maybe once every two weeks I wash using the garnier fructis triple nutrition fortifying shampoo and conditioner with the 3 min undo,but did not think that was working, recently switched to creme of nature sulfate free with argon oil used it once and I do not like it,So ask you can see I need a lot of help.

what hair regimen would be recommended for this hair, to keep moisture and softness to my hair. PPPPPLEASE HELP ME !!!!

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