Petrolatum!!

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Petroleum jelly, petrolatum or soft paraffin... Same thing... but my question is what do you guys think of this article i found on madamwalker.net... (my godmother suggested the site because they claim to be all natural)

"Actual Facts About
The Benefits of Petrolatum


Many misconceptions exist today regarding petrolatum based products. This fact sheet is designed to correct these misconceptions and bring clarity regarding the benefits of using petrolatum based products on the hair and scalp.
  • What is petrolatum? Petrolatum is a mixture of semi-solid hydrocarbons. Hydrocarbons are the simplest organic compounds, containing only carbon and hydrogen.
  • Is petrolatum natural? Petrolatum is as natural as natural can get! Natural petrolatum is obtained from the purification and distillation of petroleum, a fossil fuel formed by and derived from the earth.
  • What are the benefits of petrolatum for the scalp and the hair? Petrolatum provides three main benefits:
    1. Petrolatum molecules “walk on water”, because they are larger than water molecules; therefore petrolatum moisturizes the scalp by preventing rapid water loss.
    2. Petrolatum protects the hair and scalp by acting as a barrier against heat as well as harmful chemicals such as those found in shampoos, relaxers, dyes and bleaches, and the glue used with hair weaves.
    3. Petrolatum adds sheen to the hair.
Madame C. J. Walker, per her own words, started the Hair Growing Business. She considered the art of hair growing to be similar to the cultivation plants, emphasizing the need to nurture the scalp -as one would nurture the soil- to produce strong healthy hair. Consider then Madame C.J. Walker hair oils to serve as nutrient-rich “s-oil” for the hair!

The method by which Madame C.J. Walker hair oils are applied to the hair and scalp is also a key factor in producing the best results. For daily use, oils should be messaged into the scalp, with a small amount being worked through the hair. For optimal moisture retention, apply Madame C.J. Walker hair oils to a wet scalp, again messaging the scalp for even distribution of the oil, then working it throughout the hair. Madame’s oils may even be applied prior to washing the hair to prevent stripping the hair, leaving it soft and fluffy."


Is there any validity to this? do yall put petroleum in your hair? would you buy these products??

I mean, mineral oil is great at what it is designed to do...form a barrier through which little water can go. The problem isn't so much that the oil itself is going to destroy your hair. As I understand it, it's the method you have to use to get it off your hair--mainly sulfate shampoos. Considering there are other oils with additional benefits (olive oil and coconut oil can penetrate the hair strand and make it stronger), mineral oil just seems like a cheap substitute. And the fact that it's so heavy that it keeps everything out isn't necessarily good. I like to baggy to remoisturize my hair so I don't have to rewet it everyday, so lighter oils through which moisture can penetrate easier are better for me than a heavy oil that once applied requires a sulfate shampoo to remove before I can remoisturize my hair.
I am not going to get into the whole fray about petroleum-based products, aside from the fact that environmentally, it is not sustainable and is destructive. The whole point of being "natural", for me, is the same as eating clean to the best of my ability. Staying away from processed food and hair products is part of that.

Petroluem-based waxes are simply an inexpensive (to the manufacturer) filler to provide "slip" (it is used to lubricate machine parts) and the appearance of shine (used to finish / waterproof wood). It's not like they pass the savings on to the consumer.

What I will say, from my own experience, is that petroleum-based products were murder for my hair and scalp and skin. My body has responded so positively to the change. I had eczema so badly that I had to slather myself with anthihistamine cream daily, and my whole life was affected. I started mixing up my own products in my kitchen and noticed a difference. Frankly, it is cheaper in the long run to use more natural products. That is what convinced me to finally go natural. My hairdresser did not understand my problems, and when I did the research I found how much easier it is to take care of myself by myself, because I knew I never again wanted those products she used anywhere on my person.

I have meandered off the topic for a second, but I really think you should look a little more for some well-established products or learn about making your own before ordering from this website. All things that are "natural" are not good for you. Do you eat dirt? Would you slather it in your hair? Would you do it if knowing that the processing of the materials you are using has contributed to the suffering of many around the world? Pork fat is "natural", but would you spread it on your face (that was the emulsifier in Madam C.J. Walker's first lipstick formulation)

To answer your question, I do not use that sort of product, nor would I if they paid me to. In my experience petroleum-based products were not only NOT helpful (who wants sheen if my hair is not HEALTHY?) but possibly harmful. There are now so many products available at better prices that are fair-trade, organic, truly natural that there is no need to. Also, there is now plenty of information and support available to make one's own.
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Last edited by sagehen; 04-21-2010 at 01:21 PM.
I mean, mineral oil is great at what it is designed to do...form a barrier through which little water can go. The problem isn't so much that the oil itself is going to destroy your hair. As I understand it, it's the method you have to use to get it off your hair--mainly sulfate shampoos. Considering there are other oils with additional benefits (olive oil and coconut oil can penetrate the hair strand and make it stronger), mineral oil just seems like a cheap substitute. And the fact that it's so heavy that it keeps everything out isn't necessarily good. I like to baggy to remoisturize my hair so I don't have to rewet it everyday, so lighter oils through which moisture can penetrate easier are better for me than a heavy oil that once applied requires a sulfate shampoo to remove before I can remoisturize my hair.
Originally Posted by maybejadey
Thanks...nd Yeah, i've never put vasaline in my hair, because i heard it wasnt good, but i never knew why...then i read this, and i was thinking maybe its not so bad.(guess not.lol).. i currently use coconut oil and shea butter... but im gonna start baggying

I am not going to get into the whole fray about petroleum-based products, aside from the fact that environmentally, it is not sustainable and is destructive. The whole point of being "natural", for me, is the same as eating clean to the best of my ability. Staying away from processed food and hair products is part of that.

Petroluem-based waxes are simply an inexpensive (to the manufacturer) filler to provide "slip" (it is used to lubricate machine parts) and the appearance of shine (used to finish / waterproof wood). It's not like they pass the savings on to the consumer.

What I will say, from my own experience, is that petroleum-based products were murder for my hair and scalp and skin. My body has responded so positively to the change. I had eczema so badly that I had to slather myself with anthihistamine cream daily, and my whole life was affected. I started mixing up my own products in my kitchen and noticed a difference. Frankly, it is cheaper in the long run to use more natural products. That is what convinced me to finally go natural. My hairdresser did not understand my problems, and when I did the research I found how much easier it is to take care of myself by myself, because I knew I never again wanted those products she used anywhere on my person.

I have meandered off the topic for a second, but I really think you should look a little more for some well-established products or learn about making your own before ordering from this website. All things that are "natural" are not good for you. Do you eat dirt? Would you slather it in your hair? Would you do it if knowing that the processing of the materials you are using has contributed to the suffering of many around the world? Pork fat is "natural", but would you spread it on your face (that was the emulsifier in Madam C.J. Walker's first lipstick formulation)

To answer your question, I do not use that sort of product, nor would I if they paid me to. In my experience petroleum-based products were not only NOT helpful (who wants sheen if my hair is not HEALTHY?) but possibly harmful. There are now so many products available at better prices that are fair-trade, organic, truly natural that there is no need to. Also, there is now plenty of information and support available to make one's own.
Originally Posted by sagehen
Thanks for the feedback...and sharing your experience. your analytical questions made me laugh..but your so right!

Ok I just went to that site and read the ingredients on the Vitamin E Super Grow:
Petrolatum, Propylene Glycol, Methyl Paraben, Beeswax, Cetyl Alcohol, PEG 70 Lanolin, Water. Carnation Oil, Cellulose Gum, Borax, Glycerine, Hystar, Propyl Paraben, Methyl Paraben, Collagen Protein, Pure Vitamin E Oil, Eugenol, DC Green Coloring 3249-AP. Fragrance.

The first several ingredients do not really provide benefit to the hair and scalp (i.e., do not add moisture nor encourage growth). There are parabens in it for preservatives, which have a possible link to cancer. Glycerine, which in dry climates, could add to dryness of hair. Also, why is the methylparaben listed twice? And at what position does it really go in this list?

The Hair & Scalp Prep would be somewhat decent if it weren't for the petrolatum as the first ingredient.

No disrespect to Ms. Walker's legacy or to anyone who uses these products, but I could walk into any BSS on the corner and buy similar products for less money (and save myself the shipping), IMO. There is nothing new here.
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Last edited by sagehen; 04-21-2010 at 05:48 PM.
I learned about 9 years ago about mineral oil/petroleum/petrolatum/baby oil and how it just coats the skin and really isn't benefical. It creates a barrier. I personally do not use any hair products (grease), body lotion or facial products that contain any form of mineral oil/petroleum/petrolatum/baby oil.

For example, Miss Jessie's has mineral oil/petrolatum. A lot of people have complained that it dried out their hair. Some people do like it. A long time ago when I had a relaxed hair, my stylist at the time told me to stop greasing my scalp because it clogs your scalp. Ever since then, I don't put anything on my scalp at all, even in the winter. My scalp is doing just fine.
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The only time I might would use petroleum is to seal my ends after applying my moisture products. I would not put it on my scalp. Personally I prefer using a butter to seal because i feel its better for me and it gets the job done.

Some things work for some people and will not for others so I dont knock it.

Like this youtube video- this girls hair and length is amazing and she uses vaseline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKh9B...os=o_7K-sjrfdc



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Last edited by Lynnery; 04-22-2010 at 04:32 PM.
Petrolatum is a cheap filler. Nothing else.
All I know is that I eliminated all use of mineral oil on my hair and my hair has never felt better.
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I'm still using and enjoying products that contain this ingredient.
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I agree with all those who say that these ingredients basically do nothing more than create a barrier on your hair from environmental factors.

Over the years, after being anti-mineral/petrolatum products, I've learned that from time to time, creating such a barrier can be okay. But your hair HAS to be in good condition, first and foremost. In the winter, when your hair is being subjected to dry, cold weather and indoor heating, you can get some benefit by giving yourself a deep moisture treatment with natural ingredients, then maybe creating a barrier with a product containing mineral oil.

But realize, at some point, you will have to use a shampoo with sulfates to rid your hair of these products. Such a shampoo doesn't have to be the harshest sulfate shampoo. And you can water-down such shampoos with water, mix oils such as vit e, wheatgerm oil, jojoba, etc, put honey or aloe vera juice or beer, to pump up the conditioning effects of these shampoos.

But basically, I use mineral oil, etc very infrequently. But I'm not petrified to use them in certain situations.

Same applies to skin. Sometimes your skin needs a mineral oil and/or petrolatum barrier to protect it from the elements.
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You don't have to use a shampoo with sulfates to cleanse mineral oil from hair. You do not have to use a shampoo with sulfates to cleanse silicones from hair. You can get buildup from any product...even natural ones. All formulations are different. Ill be glad when the mineral oil silicone scare wears off......it doesn't take in account that the percentage of an ingredient used in a formulation plays a drastic role in how a product will perform on the hair. There's a huge difference between a product with 90% petrolatum or mineral oil and one with 0.5%.
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I avoid them but not because of a scare. I get buildup without using silicones or mo but I get it much faster if I use them. Silicones for me = dryness problems. MO on my scalp is dandruff and an almost immediate need to shampoo. Since MO attracts dirt and debris to my hair that is also more shampooing. My hair hates them and PVP no matter where they are on the ingredient list.
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I'll only buy stuff with it if it's midway to low on the list of ingredients. It's getting harder to find stuff w/o out it and many lines are putting it back in. There was a phase of everyone getting away from it and mineral oil but I think companies are strapped desperate and adding it back.

I bought a cream several years again from Eucerin because it was for "extremely dry skin." I had very itchy skin and was desperate. This stuff is basically mineral oil and petroletum. I wish I'd looked at the ingredients first b/c I was like WHAT!?! I spent $14 on that and would've done better to buy a $1 jar of Murray's pomade. I will use pomade sometimes for extra definition and for roller sets and twists. Even with that a little dab is enough or else my curls get all stretched out. Can't be good for the skin, I don't think...
What's the main difference between mineral oil and petrolatum? Does anyone have better luck with one compared to the other?
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None. Just one's solid one's liquid.

I actually said I was going to buy a bottle of mineral oil and see how it works for sealing when winter rolls around. Plus there are some products with MO in them that I wanna try out. Will they work? Who knows?!! But I plan to find out.


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I just bought that cantu coco curling cream only to test it out. Not that it would be a staple. It went on my hair nicely but my ends were crunchy. I don't know if that's because of the other stuff ie coconut oil n Shea mix I had put on my hair previously a day before. Gave nice definition on twists though. That petrolatum and/or mineral oil hasn't touched my hair in years. But might as well try what's on the market. Not afraid about buildup got a clarifier.
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Last edited by MsCurl83; 09-30-2012 at 01:28 AM.
i have absolutely no problems whatsoever with mineral oil nor petrolatum products in my hair. however, i only use them in my hair in my really harsh winters. i learned one year that they were the only thing that helped me combat dryness after exhausting my 'natural' stash. i tried almost every hyped natural product out there. i never had any problems or issues cleansing my hair after using these products.

i also used to use mineral oil straight out the bottle for years and years on my skin. i had eczema. i would scratch my skin until i bled. mineral oil applied to wet skin nipped that in the bud. i no longer get the itchies. i no longer scratch until i bleed. then i started using straight vegetable oil. gave me relief but the straight mineral oil made my skin softer and felt better (especially when it's cold). now i mix any vegetable oil i have on hand 50/50 with mineral oil. i get the straight mineral oil from the drugstore in the laxative section.
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My mothers bf had major surgery, grafts, clamps and everything. The doctor told him to use mineral oil. His skin is like velvet.

I adopted the same use of mineral oil in the winter. Right after the shower, my skin is supple. People would brush into me and ask what do I have on because it was just that soft

i also used to use mineral oil straight out the bottle for years and years on my skin. i had eczema. i would scratch my skin until i bled. mineral oil applied to wet skin nipped that in the bud. i no longer get the itchies. i no longer scratch until i bleed. then i started using straight vegetable oil. gave me relief but the straight mineral oil made my skin softer and felt better (especially when it's cold). now i mix any vegetable oil i have on hand 50/50 with mineral oil. i get the straight mineral oil from the drugstore in the laxative section
Pfft! This winter, I'm gonna USE THE HECK out of some petrolatum*. Yes ma'am. Yes I will. On my skin shedding dry ass legs, on my scared of frost hair and on my easy-peel lips. YES I WILL! *loooong neck roll, two quick snaps*


*I will mix some natural crap into it.
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