"what is the difference between 4a hair and 4b hair?" (blog)

http://www.kisforkinky.com/2010/04/w...r-and-4b-hair/
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OOOOHHH where has this site been all my life?!! Although I don't really believe in hair typing this was a really good read. Thanks PP!
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Very informative. Hopefully this helps some people out!
i think i'm going to give up on hair typing. everything i read says something completely different.
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I usually go cross-eyed with hairtyping descriptions but this wasn't bad. Was also of interest because I have both 4a and 4b on my head. I'm still not sure what difference it makes for me now (I'm on a boring plait, braidout, twists, length-retention regi)...my hair is still too short IMO for the WnG look i want.

I did notice differences in the clumping and frizzing (between the 4a and 4b) the last time I used aloe vera gel.
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Reading the article made me angry and sad. It made me realize that the "straight" hair I cut off when I BC last month was 4b. *slaps self* I should have known better, especially since my little sister is 100% natural with straight ends.

Here I am thinking my hair was growing slow.
expressed what I knew all along. She is very clear. I am 4b/a and I have penspring coils all over with the exception of the back which pensize coils. It looks nappy just like the rest of my hair except when wet. 4b doesn't equal no curls, but it can sometimes (i have a z pattern in a small patch on my crown)
Thanks, that was a great article
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i think i'm going to give up on hair typing. everything i read says something completely different.
Originally Posted by breathe
+1. First I hear 4a is fuzzy like cotton. Then 4b. Next thing I know, 4a is the new 3c. Now 3c curls are made up 4a's who originally thought they were 4bs. Now there's an imaginary category 4c because apharently there is kinkier hair than a 'z' curl pattern, but turns out 'z' s don't exist they're just more pointed 's'. wtf ever.
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Last edited by HipsterSoul; 05-15-2010 at 08:54 PM. Reason: ....
I disagree with her interpretation in the blog post that was linked. In my strict definition of curl size, all of her hair is size (note that I said size and NOT texture) 4a. She just has both clumping 4a and non-clumping 4a. That tiny z hair she speaks of other women telling her about is the only hair I acknowledge as 4b hair and it seems to be pretty freaking rare.
I have both clumping and non-clumping curls as well, so I get that she has different textures on her head. Texture is not the same as curl size though. If she wants to to make the non-clumping texture come together a lil more it just takes MORE of whatever she put in the naturally clumping section. Just like how she combs/brushes the clumps out when she wants the clumping hair to look like the non-clumping hair. I don't see how that Hair Rules video she linked was misleading or deceiving. That's what happens to that type of hair after DCing, smoothing in a boatload of product in soaking wet hair, re-wetting and everything else she did (she did a lot--I got tired just typing it). I mean they showed her in the shower--if your wet hair doesn't look the same as hers wet, ditto for not looking the same dry.
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I disagree with her interpretation in the blog post that was linked. In my strict definition of curl size, all of her hair is size (note that I said size and NOT texture) 4a. She just has both clumping 4a and non-clumping 4a. That tiny z hair she speaks of other women telling her about is the only hair I acknowledge as 4b hair and it seems to be pretty freaking rare.
I have both clumping and non-clumping curls as well, so I get that she has different textures on her head. Texture is not the same as curl size though. If she wants to to make the non-clumping texture come together a lil more it just takes MORE of whatever she put in the naturally clumping section. Just like how she combs/brushes the clumps out when she wants the clumping hair to look like the non-clumping hair. I don't see how that Hair Rules video she linked was misleading or deceiving. That's what happens to that type of hair after DCing, smoothing in a boatload of product in soaking wet hair, re-wetting and everything else she did (she did a lot--I got tired just typing it). I mean they showed her in the shower--if your wet hair doesn't look the same as hers wet, ditto for not looking the same dry.
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812
+1

every few months, a new interpretation comes out (it seems)
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I think she put in a nice effort but I didn't agree with her. And i think Esperanza Spalding is 4A.

I don't think the specifics of hair type matter all that much.
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I disagree with her interpretation in the blog post that was linked. In my strict definition of curl size, all of her hair is size (note that I said size and NOT texture) 4a. She just has both clumping 4a and non-clumping 4a. That tiny z hair she speaks of other women telling her about is the only hair I acknowledge as 4b hair and it seems to be pretty freaking rare.
I have both clumping and non-clumping curls as well, so I get that she has different textures on her head. Texture is not the same as curl size though. If she wants to to make the non-clumping texture come together a lil more it just takes MORE of whatever she put in the naturally clumping section. Just like how she combs/brushes the clumps out when she wants the clumping hair to look like the non-clumping hair. I don't see how that Hair Rules video she linked was misleading or deceiving. That's what happens to that type of hair after DCing, smoothing in a boatload of product in soaking wet hair, re-wetting and everything else she did (she did a lot--I got tired just typing it). I mean they showed her in the shower--if your wet hair doesn't look the same as hers wet, ditto for not looking the same dry.
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812
another +1
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i think i'm going to give up on hair typing. everything i read says something completely different.
Originally Posted by breathe
+1. First I hear 4a is fuzzy like cotton. Then 4b. Next thing I know, 4a is the new 3c. Now 3c curls are made up 4a's who originally thought they were 4bs. Now there's an imaginary category 4c because apharently there is kinkier hair than a 'z' curl pattern, but turns out 'z' s don't exist they're just more pointed 's'. wtf ever.
Originally Posted by HipsterSoul
Lol! I have to agree! And this blog post has just confused me even more. I think as long as I know my hair behaves with certain products and misbehaves with others, and as long as I can find others with similar hair, and get advice from them, that's all I need.
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It did start getting a lil confusing to me also. Cause for so long we have heard different things. I guess we just have to sit back and see what the next thing it.

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i think i'm going to give up on hair typing. everything i read says something completely different.
Originally Posted by breathe
+1. First I hear 4a is fuzzy like cotton. Then 4b. Next thing I know, 4a is the new 3c. Now 3c curls are made up 4a's who originally thought they were 4bs. Now there's an imaginary category 4c because apharently there is kinkier hair than a 'z' curl pattern, but turns out 'z' s don't exist they're just more pointed 's'. wtf ever.
Originally Posted by HipsterSoul
My sentiments exactly. Even on this site curl typing is all screwy. If you look into the determining your hair type section of this site, they have Kelis as a 4b and Jada Pinkett Smith (who is obviously sporting a rod set) as a 3c. What the figgity!? I don't think there's really any rhyme or reason to hair typing. I say just treat your hair well and everything else will fall into place.
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@coilynapp: Thanks! Its one of my favorite feminism quotes after "the personal is political."
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