Leave-In + Moisturizer + Styler....Are We Over This?

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OK next time I will finish my thought before I press submit: sorry. I meant do you still plan to cowash as it grows, but I meant in the near future, because I was wondering if you find it difficult at present to keep moisture. My wash and goes have only been lasting 2-3 days lately and I am pondering cowashing myself.
Originally Posted by sagehen
Ohhh! I have not had any problems retaining moisture, but like cowashing daily; I just like fresh hair. Is there a reason why you don't cowash daily? Honestly I have so many products that if I didn't use them daily I think they would all go bad, lol!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
LMAO - funny you mentioned that. My pj issue is precisely why I am thinking about cowashing daily. I hate to walk by and see unused product on a shelf. Plus I am thinking that maybe I will do wash and goes daily this summer, just to remoisturize each day. The only reason I have stopped cowashing daily is because I have stopped exercising daily. That is bad, I know. I like fresh hair but when I was working out daily it was even more incentive to wash.
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I just watched your latest vid and LOVED it!! ROTFL@ "Izzy likes it rough" Hehehe!!! Go IZZ!

Its funny that you say that you're wondering how you'll deal with length because I was wondering the EXACT same thing as you were styling Izzy because you have thick hair as well, but because its short you can cover what needs to be covered without worrying that it will be an uneven distribution.

There is no right or wrong way to do it persay.. like for me I:

Wet my hair and either waterwash and RO/detangle or cowash/detangle. I can't detangle with fingers. I must use a wide tooth comb or a denman. My hair laughs at my fingers. LOL!!

I then section my detangled hair into 4 and in parts address each section with LI/curl enhancer/gel in mini parts just like the lady used to do when we were getting relaxers and go through the whole head. Tedious yes.. but I've had consistent results everytime. Plus if I do a section and it looks triflin I know right away the combo isn't going to work so I reroute.

I've starting keeping a hair journal where I type the dewpoint and what worked/didnt work so I dont make the same mistakes (and also recall the victories) so I guess its not all in vain..

I've done Teri's method with stylers and that was ok.. I've done KabrinaM's method and I liked that one alot as it cuts down on my time a tad so I've been doing that lately. Covers more hair quickly.
Originally Posted by Naturalista
THANKS!!! That video is sooooo funny to me b/c my bf watched it was like ummmm who's going to like this besides me? And I was like I dunno, they asked for it!

Your journal about the dew point is an awesome idea! I need to get on that - I've started writing down the combos I've used when I really love my hair so I have a quick ref guide when I'm in a hurry.

Speaking of dew points...what's the optimal range for glycerin? I know I saw it somewhere but I forget what it was...asking because the dew points have gone up a little here (they're in the 50s now I think) and I was thinking of buying a bottle of veggie glycerin to test out. I have some products with glycerin that are currently not freaking my hair out so maybe it's the season change. And if I buy veg glycerin and hate it I can always cook with it!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
LOL@ your BF. Mine has been trying to get me to start posting on YT/ vid blogging but I'm like "nah.. I don't have time". He wants to be my videographer. LOLOL!! Crazy man..I'm just a ReconGirl who likes to surf and learn. YT hair and MUA vids are my treats!

I would say humectants like glycerin are ideal @ dews btwn 35-50. Below 35 it'll do what you hate, and above 50 it could make the hair swell and poof. Gel is soooo key in higher dews IMO.
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I just watched your latest vid and LOVED it!! ROTFL@ "Izzy likes it rough" Hehehe!!! Go IZZ!

Its funny that you say that you're wondering how you'll deal with length because I was wondering the EXACT same thing as you were styling Izzy because you have thick hair as well, but because its short you can cover what needs to be covered without worrying that it will be an uneven distribution.

There is no right or wrong way to do it persay.. like for me I:

Wet my hair and either waterwash and RO/detangle or cowash/detangle. I can't detangle with fingers. I must use a wide tooth comb or a denman. My hair laughs at my fingers. LOL!!

I then section my detangled hair into 4 and in parts address each section with LI/curl enhancer/gel in mini parts just like the lady used to do when we were getting relaxers and go through the whole head. Tedious yes.. but I've had consistent results everytime. Plus if I do a section and it looks triflin I know right away the combo isn't going to work so I reroute.

I've starting keeping a hair journal where I type the dewpoint and what worked/didnt work so I dont make the same mistakes (and also recall the victories) so I guess its not all in vain..

I've done Teri's method with stylers and that was ok.. I've done KabrinaM's method and I liked that one alot as it cuts down on my time a tad so I've been doing that lately. Covers more hair quickly.
Originally Posted by Naturalista
THANKS!!! That video is sooooo funny to me b/c my bf watched it was like ummmm who's going to like this besides me? And I was like I dunno, they asked for it!

Your journal about the dew point is an awesome idea! I need to get on that - I've started writing down the combos I've used when I really love my hair so I have a quick ref guide when I'm in a hurry.

Speaking of dew points...what's the optimal range for glycerin? I know I saw it somewhere but I forget what it was...asking because the dew points have gone up a little here (they're in the 50s now I think) and I was thinking of buying a bottle of veggie glycerin to test out. I have some products with glycerin that are currently not freaking my hair out so maybe it's the season change. And if I buy veg glycerin and hate it I can always cook with it!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
LOL@ your BF. Mine has been trying to get me to start posting on YT/ vid blogging but I'm like "nah.. I don't have time". He wants to be my videographer. LOLOL!! Crazy man..I'm just a ReconGirl who likes to surf and learn. YT hair and MUA vids are my treats!

I would say humectants like glycerin are ideal @ dews btwn 35-50. Below 35 it'll do what you hate, and above 50 it could make the hair swell and poof. Gel is soooo key in higher dews IMO.
Originally Posted by Naturalista
Hmmm okay, I'm gonna do an experiment then, because it was horrible on my hair with dew points in the 40s. So maybe it reacts a little differently and will be better at a dew point a little higher? Also, I feel like it's so weird that the dew point is in the 50s when it's not humid in SoCal at all???
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THANKS!!! That video is sooooo funny to me b/c my bf watched it was like ummmm who's going to like this besides me? And I was like I dunno, they asked for it!

Your journal about the dew point is an awesome idea! I need to get on that - I've started writing down the combos I've used when I really love my hair so I have a quick ref guide when I'm in a hurry.

Speaking of dew points...what's the optimal range for glycerin? I know I saw it somewhere but I forget what it was...asking because the dew points have gone up a little here (they're in the 50s now I think) and I was thinking of buying a bottle of veggie glycerin to test out. I have some products with glycerin that are currently not freaking my hair out so maybe it's the season change. And if I buy veg glycerin and hate it I can always cook with it!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
LOL@ your BF. Mine has been trying to get me to start posting on YT/ vid blogging but I'm like "nah.. I don't have time". He wants to be my videographer. LOLOL!! Crazy man..I'm just a ReconGirl who likes to surf and learn. YT hair and MUA vids are my treats!

I would say humectants like glycerin are ideal @ dews btwn 35-50. Below 35 it'll do what you hate, and above 50 it could make the hair swell and poof. Gel is soooo key in higher dews IMO.
Originally Posted by Naturalista
Hmmm okay, I'm gonna do an experiment then, because it was horrible on my hair with dew points in the 40s. So maybe it reacts a little differently and will be better at a dew point a little higher? Also, I feel like it's so weird that the dew point is in the 50s when it's not humid in SoCal at all???
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Well 50's you won't feel humidity necessarily, its when the dew gets 60+ it's just gross and ya know it.

Products work differently on diff heads, perhaps Izzy likes glycerin when the dews are 50 or >. Hair is a funny thing I'm learning..
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I think I'm over the 1-2-3 punch too! I definitely stopped sealing months ago because it was just leaving me greasy headed (low porosity), but I find that if I moisturize daily with a *really* good moisturizer then my hair retains moisture.

I've been keen on products that are a 2-in-1 leavein/moisturizer + styler--- like the Blended Cuties Down and Out Styles. works like a dream and because its a styler, I can get 5 day+ super cute hair out of it!
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I've never been into that. The most I'll do is a moisturizer (or a leave-in, they're interchangeable to me) and a sealer. And I like it best when I can use one product and it does everything, like when I just leave conditioner in.


Well 50's you won't feel humidity necessarily, its when the dew gets 60+ it's just gross and ya know it.

Products work differently on diff heads, perhaps Izzy likes glycerin when the dews are 50 or >. Hair is a funny thing I'm learning..
Originally Posted by Naturalista
It even feels dry here though, it's so crazy - when it's colder like all the moisture gets sucked out my fingertips and I have prune hands! The dew today is 58...WHERE?! This place is nuts...I just bought some glycerin and am going to try it out tomorrow, googling recipes tonight.
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I think I'm over the 1-2-3 punch too! I definitely stopped sealing months ago because it was just leaving me greasy headed (low porosity), but I find that if I moisturize daily with a *really* good moisturizer then my hair retains moisture.

I've been keen on products that are a 2-in-1 leavein/moisturizer + styler--- like the Blended Cuties Down and Out Styles. works like a dream and because its a styler, I can get 5 day+ super cute hair out of it!
Originally Posted by cassadie3
Have you tried this with stretched styles? I'd love to find something that works like you mention w/out having to layer; a really good moisturizer & styler combined! One has to exist. I remember when I first bc'd I tried the happy nappy styles and got great moisture but didn't like the shrinkage that came along with it at that length.
I think I'm over the 1-2-3 punch too! I definitely stopped sealing months ago because it was just leaving me greasy headed (low porosity), but I find that if I moisturize daily with a *really* good moisturizer then my hair retains moisture.

I've been keen on products that are a 2-in-1 leavein/moisturizer + styler--- like the Blended Cuties Down and Out Styles. works like a dream and because its a styler, I can get 5 day+ super cute hair out of it!
Originally Posted by cassadie3

Have you tried this with stretched styles? I'd love to find something that works like you mention w/out having to layer; a really good moisturizer & styler combined! One has to exist. I remember when I first bc'd I tried the happy nappy styles and got great moisture but didn't like the shrinkage that came along with it at that length.
Originally Posted by whitechocolate629
ive stretched in two ways with this stuff. the first is with twist out on wet hair which gave me phenomenal twists that really held well. I've also blowdried at the roots to get a stretched look after shingling in this product, which also turned out well.
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my moisturizer is my leave in. the only way i dont use a styler is if im putting in braids or twists. wash and goes must have a styler on top.
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I think I'm over the 1-2-3 punch too! I definitely stopped sealing months ago because it was just leaving me greasy headed (low porosity), but I find that if I moisturize daily with a *really* good moisturizer then my hair retains moisture.

I've been keen on products that are a 2-in-1 leavein/moisturizer + styler--- like the Blended Cuties Down and Out Styles. works like a dream and because its a styler, I can get 5 day+ super cute hair out of it!
Originally Posted by cassadie3



Have you tried this with stretched styles? I'd love to find something that works like you mention w/out having to layer; a really good moisturizer & styler combined! One has to exist. I remember when I first bc'd I tried the happy nappy styles and got great moisture but didn't like the shrinkage that came along with it at that length.
Originally Posted by whitechocolate629
ive stretched in two ways with this stuff. the first is with twist out on wet hair which gave me phenomenal twists that really held well. I've also blowdried at the roots to get a stretched look after shingling in this product, which also turned out well.
Originally Posted by cassadie3

Thanks for the input! Can't wait to find something that works!
my moisturizer is my leave in. the only way i dont use a styler is if im putting in braids or twists. wash and goes must have a styler on top.
Originally Posted by empressri
+1 CJ CCCC is my leave-in, moisturizer, and base styler. Then I add a gel then serum.

Anything less than 3 steps causes poof head. So I am sticking with that. I have a lots of hair that requires weight. So the 3 steps give me cute soft curls.
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my moisturizer is my leave in. the only way i dont use a styler is if im putting in braids or twists. wash and goes must have a styler on top.
Originally Posted by empressri
+1 CJ CCCC is my leave-in, moisturizer, and base styler. Then I add a gel then serum.

Anything less than 3 steps causes poof head. So I am sticking with that. I have a lots of hair that requires weight. So the 3 steps give me cute soft curls.
Originally Posted by rosscd
luurve my cccc! alagio curling balm and then gel on top and im good to go.
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This is hard for me to say because I feel like my routine changes with the wind. The following are my options:

1) co-wash and add Curl Smoothie by Shea Moisture

2)co-wash and add Curl Smoothie by Shea Moisture under Eco-Styler

3) GV Direct Leave In under Argon Oil/Coconut Oil

And I do co-wash everyday. I just can't stand my hair after two days.
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When I first joined NC, I saw a lot of posts with ladies leaving in a conditioner, then using a moisturizer (like AV Cocolatte or something), then applying gel or a styler. However, this felt like too many products for me, and I often had white head. I stopped using the extra moisture and was sure to stick to stylers that were moisturizing for me (ie, Califia Styling Pudding instead of Ecostyler) and use a good leave-in. If needed, I'd apply a bit of a moisturizer on top of my gel.

Recently, I've seen a lot of posts from ladies using the moisturizer as their leave-in (Cocolatte, BRBC, etc), the putting a gel on top of that. So what's up ladies? Are we over the 1-2-3 punch, or is this more of a seasonal thing? Just wondering, this is my first summer being fully natural (**raises roof**) and I know some change their routines up.
Originally Posted by ellepixie

Nope...I'm stilling using the 1-2-3 punch as u call it, because after almost 6 years of being natural, that's what works for me and my uber dry hair. In the summer time, I've able to use lighter products or even skip the leave in and use a heavier "moisturizer" and then a styler, but I'll always have to layer my products. I've really stopped paying attention to the "hype" products or the routine of the week and have opted to just do what works for me...which is layering my products.

To avoid the white head, you might need to work on the specific combo of products you are using. Some products just don't mix and they end up with the white head or the dreaded nasty white beady thingys. If I'm trying a new combo, I'll mix a little bit of each product that will go on my head (leave in, moistureizer, and styler) in my hand to see what happens. If it produces those nasty balls, I adjust until I don't get those anymore. If I get the white head thing, I'll apply but then I'll plop or difuse my hair to help the products absorb/dry before leaving the house.
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I have a question...what should I be looking for result wise with the leave-in? I've tried Knot Today, Darcy's Botanicals, & Giovanni Direct leave-ins and I didn't notice anything different. I would wash or co-wash, detangle with cond, put on Mozeke Sweet Almond Pudding to each section, then a leave-in, and then my styler to each section as I braid. I notice a slight difference with Giovanni's. My hair was a little fluffier and smoother. I just never really figured out what the purpose of the leave-in was.

Now my wash n go's I can never seem to keep feeling soft and moisturized. I was forced to wear one last week and used Beauty Without Cruelty's leave in and that made my wash n go so soft. I was shock.
I have a question...what should I be looking for result wise with the leave-in? I've tried Knot Today, Darcy's Botanicals, & Giovanni Direct leave-ins and I didn't notice anything different. I would wash or co-wash, detangle with cond, put on Mozeke Sweet Almond Pudding to each section, then a leave-in, and then my styler to each section as I braid. I notice a slight difference with Giovanni's. My hair was a little fluffier and smoother. I just never really figured out what the purpose of the leave-in was.

Now my wash n go's I can never seem to keep feeling soft and moisturized. I was forced to wear one last week and used Beauty Without Cruelty's leave in and that made my wash n go so soft. I was shock.
Originally Posted by JahNaturalDezign
I think you expect different things from products if you're braiding/twisting or doing a WnG. I only do WnGs, and I have used some leave-ins that seem to make my hair frizzy, ie, it's not frizzy when I get out of the shower but as soon as I apply my leave-in it frizzes out! Also, I like my leave-in to have a little slip, but it doesn't need to have as much as my detangling conditioners, and play well with stylers...some conditioners react and leave a gross residue or a lot of white until your product dries, while some sink right in.
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