Leave-In + Moisturizer + Styler....Are We Over This?

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When I first joined NC, I saw a lot of posts with ladies leaving in a conditioner, then using a moisturizer (like AV Cocolatte or something), then applying gel or a styler. However, this felt like too many products for me, and I often had white head. I stopped using the extra moisture and was sure to stick to stylers that were moisturizing for me (ie, Califia Styling Pudding instead of Ecostyler) and use a good leave-in. If needed, I'd apply a bit of a moisturizer on top of my gel.

Recently, I've seen a lot of posts from ladies using the moisturizer as their leave-in (Cocolatte, BRBC, etc), the putting a gel on top of that. So what's up ladies? Are we over the 1-2-3 punch, or is this more of a seasonal thing? Just wondering, this is my first summer being fully natural (**raises roof**) and I know some change their routines up.
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When I first joined NC, I saw a lot of posts with ladies leaving in a conditioner, then using a moisturizer (like AV Cocolatte or something), then applying gel or a styler. However, this felt like too many products for me, and I often had white head. I stopped using the extra moisture and was sure to stick to stylers that were moisturizing for me (ie, Califia Styling Pudding instead of Ecostyler) and use a good leave-in. If needed, I'd apply a bit of a moisturizer on top of my gel.

Recently, I've seen a lot of posts from ladies using the moisturizer as their leave-in (Cocolatte, BRBC, etc), the putting a gel on top of that. So what's up ladies? Are we over the 1-2-3 punch, or is this more of a seasonal thing? Just wondering, this is my first summer being fully natural (**raises roof**) and I know some change their routines up.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
All of these products these days have a mixture of conditioning and moisturizing (sealing) elements that you don't have to use as many products if you don't want. I find that my coilier and highly textured curly counterparts can get away with less product than I can because I need different elements to maintain definition and shape (moreso in my 3a/3b areas towards the front than 3c underneath). I'm not sure about in this particular room, but in NC.com at large the foundation remains:

LI, curl enhancer or moisturizer, +/-gel, +/- additional frizz protective serum.

Most of the products out are curl enhancers with gel type hold in one and others aren't and you have to layer. Some ladies with major frizz issues may need a tad more. Personally, there are few times I can use 1-2 things and get great hair. I need 3 products 8 times out of 10. Part of me being a PJ is constantly testing stuff to minimize this routine. Not that I don't like having all these 3 formula avenues, but if I could have more options of streamlining I def will.
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Last edited by Naturalista; 06-08-2010 at 01:58 PM.
a moisturizer is a leave-in no (especially if your moisturizer has a conditioning emulsifier--e.g QB, AV)? basically, those who are using a moisturizer as a leave-in then gel, are simply just moisturizing then gelling without the extra leave-in conditioner (or leaving in a regular conditioner)

I don't use stylers so...

personally for me, I use a leave in (QB detangling ghee) and then airdry in large twists, then I moisturize and twist up in smaller sections for a twist out the next day or leave the twists in for the week
I am in agreement with Naturalista. I have, of late, been sticking to the 1-2-3 punch of leave in, moisturizer or oil, and styler. Summer weather has been showing up early in SoCal, and I am finding I need to do all three steps to stay moisturized, regardless of what the products are. I have just been having better hair days like that for the past couple of months. Whenever I skimp on the steps I do not get second-day hair. Plus I swear my hair leeches all the moisture from my scalp 'cause my scalp has been itching like crazy unless I give it some oil in the morning (I have been using that before my styler for the past two weeks).
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Last edited by sagehen; 06-08-2010 at 02:03 PM.
I use a leave in ,geared for a leave in and then depending on how the product works an oil, then the gel.

sometimes I use a conditioner as the leave in , then the gel and then seal with oil , if I know the gel is known to dry hard.


I never just use the moisturizer as my leave in because my hair is uber dense and needs all the moisture it can get.

My hair never feels weighed down with product because I dont use a lot out of the three products ( leave-in, oil, and styler)
i still do the 1-2-3 punch! i haven't had any problems and want to ensure my hair stays properly moisturized to avoid problems. the only thing that changed for me was during the winter (very cold months), i needed extra moisturizing. my 2oz sample of miss jessies baby buttercream moisturized a lot better than any of my staples. this is when i learned that mineral oil/petrolatum was not my enemy as a natural haired woman.
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a moisturizer is a leave-in no (especially if your moisturizer has a conditioning emulsifier--e.g QB, AV)? basically, those who are using a moisturizer as a leave-in then gel, are simply just moisturizing then gelling without the extra leave-in conditioner (or leaving in a regular conditioner)

I don't use stylers so...

personally for me, I use a leave in (QB detangling ghee) and then airdry in large twists, then I moisturize and twist up in smaller sections for a twist out the next day or leave the twists in for the week
Originally Posted by coilynapp
Right, the bolded is what I meant - when I first got on here it seems that more people found the extra leave-in to be required, but now I've seen more people either skipping the condish or moisturizer. For instance, using a condish/oil, then gel.
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Well I can use a condish and oil and have a rocking wash and go, moisturized , soft and defined. However I wont make it to 2-3-4-5-6 day hair because its too soft and I sleep wild.

I use the leave in , oil , and gel to maintain my hair and not touch it every day.

If I wanted to wash everyday ( cowash), I could get away with conditioner and oil only
Well I can use a condish and oil and have a rocking wash and go, moisturized , soft and defined. However I wont make it to 2-3-4-5-6 day hair because its too soft and I sleep wild.

I use the leave in , oil , and gel to maintain my hair and not touch it every day.

If I wanted to wash everyday ( cowash), I could get away with conditioner and oil only
Originally Posted by shawnyblazes
Awesome point that I had not thought of. I cowash daily so I don't have the problem of retaining moisture for 4-6 days to preserve a style.

Thanks for the input everyone, I know I'm a weirdo but I love pondering stuff like this!
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Awesome point that I had not thought of. I cowash daily so I don't have the problem of retaining moisture for 4-6 days to preserve a style.

Thanks for the input everyone, I know I'm a weirdo but I love pondering stuff like this!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Question: do you plan to continue daily cowashing as you grow your hair out or is this a temporary situation post-bc?
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Well I can use a condish and oil and have a rocking wash and go, moisturized , soft and defined. However I wont make it to 2-3-4-5-6 day hair because its too soft and I sleep wild.

I use the leave in , oil , and gel to maintain my hair and not touch it every day.

If I wanted to wash everyday ( cowash), I could get away with conditioner and oil only
Originally Posted by shawnyblazes
Awesome point that I had not thought of. I cowash daily so I don't have the problem of retaining moisture for 4-6 days to preserve a style.

Thanks for the input everyone, I know I'm a weirdo but I love pondering stuff like this!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I cowash/waterwash every 2-3 days depending on the product combo I use but if I want definition I definitely can't just condition and moisturize. I figured out if I leave the gel out, I fro and I'm loosely defined. In the winter(dry) months I'm more obsessed with moisturizers like butters and milks because if I'm not sealed all the conditioning will be in vain and I'll dry out.

and you're not a weirdo Elle.. LOL!!
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Awesome point that I had not thought of. I cowash daily so I don't have the problem of retaining moisture for 4-6 days to preserve a style.

Thanks for the input everyone, I know I'm a weirdo but I love pondering stuff like this!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Question: do you plan to continue daily cowashing as you grow your hair out or is this a temporary situation post-bc?
Originally Posted by sagehen
It depends - right now it's no problem b/c I work from home and usually cowash in the morning, so by the time I get off work my hair is semi-dry. But if it becomes too difficult I'm going to have to try refreshing with my spray bottle, which also works for me.
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Awesome point that I had not thought of. I cowash daily so I don't have the problem of retaining moisture for 4-6 days to preserve a style.

Thanks for the input everyone, I know I'm a weirdo but I love pondering stuff like this!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Question: do you plan to continue daily cowashing as you grow your hair out or is this a temporary situation post-bc?
Originally Posted by sagehen
It depends - right now it's no problem b/c I work from home and usually cowash in the morning, so by the time I get off work my hair is semi-dry. But if it becomes too difficult I'm going to have to try refreshing with my spray bottle, which also works for me.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
OK next time I will finish my thought before I press submit: sorry. I meant do you still plan to cowash as it grows, but I meant in the near future, because I was wondering if you find it difficult at present to keep moisture. My wash and goes have only been lasting 2-3 days lately and I am pondering cowashing myself.
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I am over it because my hair would be white and wet for ever. DH started to complain about conditioner in my hair and wash n goes (He actually called it that) I prefer dry styling. It results in softer, more stretched hair. I have less knots and tangles. When I need to wash n go I leave in a small amount of conditioner followed by castor oil or my moisturizer and castor oil. I have less definition but who cares. I only gel the front of my hair to smoothe it down.
Question: do you plan to continue daily cowashing as you grow your hair out or is this a temporary situation post-bc?
Originally Posted by sagehen
It depends - right now it's no problem b/c I work from home and usually cowash in the morning, so by the time I get off work my hair is semi-dry. But if it becomes too difficult I'm going to have to try refreshing with my spray bottle, which also works for me.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
OK next time I will finish my thought before I press submit: sorry. I meant do you still plan to cowash as it grows, but I meant in the near future, because I was wondering if you find it difficult at present to keep moisture. My wash and goes have only been lasting 2-3 days lately and I am pondering cowashing myself.
Originally Posted by sagehen
Ohhh! I have not had any problems retaining moisture, but like cowashing daily; I just like fresh hair. Is there a reason why you don't cowash daily? Honestly I have so many products that if I didn't use them daily I think they would all go bad, lol!
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Ohhh! I have not had any problems retaining moisture, but like cowashing daily; I just like fresh hair. Is there a reason why you don't cowash daily? Honestly I have so many products that if I didn't use them daily I think they would all go bad, lol!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I just wanted to say GOD BLESS YOU for cowashing daily b/c after doing that for 3 months I simply burned out. Even after I went short the length was less but the overall volume of my hair was unchanged and having to wet, section, mini section and then smooth product onto each piece ... are you tired reading this yet?? LOL!!

Umm yeah so every 2-3 days now unless something batty happens or a new product comes in I leave my hair be. Wish I could go LONGER...
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Ohhh! I have not had any problems retaining moisture, but like cowashing daily; I just like fresh hair. Is there a reason why you don't cowash daily? Honestly I have so many products that if I didn't use them daily I think they would all go bad, lol!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I just wanted to say GOD BLESS YOU for cowashing daily b/c after doing that for 3 months I simply burned out. Even after I went short the length was less but the overall volume of my hair was unchanged and having to wet, section, mini section and then smooth product onto each piece ... are you tired reading this yet?? LOL!!

Umm yeah so every 2-3 days now unless something batty happens or a new product comes in I leave my hair be. Wish I could go LONGER...
Originally Posted by Naturalista
Wait, lol, maybe I'm not doing it right?! All I do is wet my hair in the shower, saturate with condish, massage/scrub scalp, smooth to ends, and detangle w/ my fingers. That's why I'm afraid I won't be able to do it as my hair gets longer b/c detangling will be more difficult. But! I find that if I cowash daily my hair is less tangled so it's easier. I went a few days without detangling before and that was not the business...
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Ohhh! I have not had any problems retaining moisture, but like cowashing daily; I just like fresh hair. Is there a reason why you don't cowash daily? Honestly I have so many products that if I didn't use them daily I think they would all go bad, lol!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I just wanted to say GOD BLESS YOU for cowashing daily b/c after doing that for 3 months I simply burned out. Even after I went short the length was less but the overall volume of my hair was unchanged and having to wet, section, mini section and then smooth product onto each piece ... are you tired reading this yet?? LOL!!

Umm yeah so every 2-3 days now unless something batty happens or a new product comes in I leave my hair be. Wish I could go LONGER...
Originally Posted by Naturalista
Wait, lol, maybe I'm not doing it right?! All I do is wet my hair in the shower, saturate with condish, massage/scrub scalp, smooth to ends, and detangle w/ my fingers. That's why I'm afraid I won't be able to do it as my hair gets longer b/c detangling will be more difficult. But! I find that if I cowash daily my hair is less tangled so it's easier. I went a few days without detangling before and that was not the business...
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I just watched your latest vid and LOVED it!! ROTFL@ "Izzy likes it rough" Hehehe!!! Go IZZ!

Its funny that you say that you're wondering how you'll deal with length because I was wondering the EXACT same thing as you were styling Izzy because you have thick hair as well, but because its short you can cover what needs to be covered without worrying that it will be an uneven distribution.

There is no right or wrong way to do it persay.. like for me I:

Wet my hair and either waterwash and RO/detangle or cowash/detangle. I can't detangle with fingers. I must use a wide tooth comb or a denman. My hair laughs at my fingers. LOL!!

I then section my detangled hair into 4 and in parts address each section with LI/curl enhancer/gel in mini parts just like the lady used to do when we were getting relaxers and go through the whole head. Tedious yes.. but I've had consistent results everytime. Plus if I do a section and it looks triflin I know right away the combo isn't going to work so I reroute.

I've starting keeping a hair journal where I type the dewpoint and what worked/didnt work so I dont make the same mistakes (and also recall the victories) so I guess its not all in vain..

I've done Teri's method with stylers and that was ok.. I've done KabrinaM's method and I liked that one alot as it cuts down on my time a tad so I've been doing that lately. Covers more hair quickly.
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Last edited by Naturalista; 06-08-2010 at 04:30 PM.

I just watched your latest vid and LOVED it!! ROTFL@ "Izzy likes it rough" Hehehe!!! Go IZZ!

Its funny that you say that you're wondering how you'll deal with length because I was wondering the EXACT same thing as you were styling Izzy because you have thick hair as well, but because its short you can cover what needs to be covered without worrying that it will be an uneven distribution.

There is no right or wrong way to do it persay.. like for me I:

Wet my hair and either waterwash and RO/detangle or cowash/detangle. I can't detangle with fingers. I must use a wide tooth comb or a denman. My hair laughs at my fingers. LOL!!

I then section my detangled hair into 4 and in parts address each section with LI/curl enhancer/gel in mini parts just like the lady used to do when we were getting relaxers and go through the whole head. Tedious yes.. but I've had consistent results everytime. Plus if I do a section and it looks triflin I know right away the combo isn't going to work so I reroute.

I've starting keeping a hair journal where I type the dewpoint and what worked/didnt work so I dont make the same mistakes (and also recall the victories) so I guess its not all in vain..

I've dont Teri's method with stylers and that was ok.. I've done KabrinaM's method and I liked that one alot as it cuts down on my time a tad so I've been doing that lately. Covers more hair quickly.
Originally Posted by Naturalista
THANKS!!! That video is sooooo funny to me b/c my bf watched it was like ummmm who's going to like this besides me? And I was like I dunno, they asked for it!

Your journal about the dew point is an awesome idea! I need to get on that - I've started writing down the combos I've used when I really love my hair so I have a quick ref guide when I'm in a hurry.

Speaking of dew points...what's the optimal range for glycerin? I know I saw it somewhere but I forget what it was...asking because the dew points have gone up a little here (they're in the 50s now I think) and I was thinking of buying a bottle of veggie glycerin to test out. I have some products with glycerin that are currently not freaking my hair out so maybe it's the season change. And if I buy veg glycerin and hate it I can always cook with it!
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Shrunken or stretched? I've noticed that I'm able to achieve moisture & decent definition without having to use the leave-in/moisturizer/styler method for wng's. BUT, definitely NOT the case when doing braid/twistouts which is why daily/frequent cowashing is my goto situation. At the same time, I like those styles and I'm determined to figure out what works.

The other day I used afroveda cocolatte as a leave-in & followed with pur whipped gelly and had a fab wng, and even got great 2nd day hair! Tried doing the same thing for a braid out and not even close to the same results. So, I know I need to amp it up. I'm still learning & trying to figure out the right 1-2-3 punch combo for stretched styles...It sure would be nice if we didn't have to use so many things to have moisturized hair!

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