You know it's time to clean your scalp when?...

*putting on my lab coat*

I just HAVE to say this....ACV does NOT clean the scalp. It does NOT remove buildup. What it does is changes the PH of the hair and scalp, which closes the open cuticles on the hair, which makes it FEEL cleaner and behave better. But it is not "cleaning" your hair or scalp.

Also, be careful using baking soda on your hair and following up with ACV. Using a heavy basic product (baking soda) followed by an acidic product (ACV) is not good for the structural intergity of your hair.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
*puts on glasses and starts to make notes*

Ok, this it the exact OPPOSITE of what I've always read pertaining to clarifying natural hair. So....the whole "baking soda to cleanse, ACV to rinse/clarify/seal cuticles" method is wrong? Please school me oh Chemically Wise One
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i keep hearing about cream of nature.

also, curlmart is having a sale on elucence shampoo. $6
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i keep hearing about cream of nature.

also, curlmart is having a sale on elucence shampoo. $6
Originally Posted by hippychic
Which Creme of Nature? I've heard good things about that one too. I've also heard that Elasta QP has a good sulfate-free shampoo...I'm getting that this weekend at Sally's.
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LowPoo- Dr. Bronner's peppermint soap bar
Shampoo- ORS Creamy Aloe
Clarifying poo- Suave Daily Clarifying shampoo
DC- GVP Conditioning Balm
PT- GVP K-Pak reconstructor
Leave in- Giovanni Direct leave-in *with kimmaytube recipe*
Moisturizer- water+aloe vera juice+castor oil+jojoba oil spritz
Sealant- jojoba oil
i keep hearing about cream of nature.

also, curlmart is having a sale on elucence shampoo. $6
Originally Posted by hippychic
Which Creme of Nature? I've heard good things about that one too. I've also heard that Elasta QP has a good sulfate-free shampoo...I'm getting that this weekend at Sally's.
Originally Posted by pretebrowneyes
Cream of Nature is (was?) the best shampoo EVAH. Just the regular one for normal hair. When I had a relaxer it was really the only shampoo that didn't dry out my hair! Hmmm...I thought it had cones but maybe not?

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OK I am late to this discussion, but where does one pay $12 for 12 oz of shampoo? I buy my Giovanni shampoo@ Ross or Marshalls/TJ Maxx and it's $12.99 for a LITER and about $5 for the small bottle you can hold in your hand - no more than drugstore 'poo. At my local health food store, it's $5.99 for the small bottle too. The Giovanni shampoos are the sulfate-free, silicone-free kind every one is recommending (except for the clarifying shampoo). EO shampoos are available at Ross/Marshall's as well, for cheaper ($9.99 for a liter, $2.99 or $3.99 for 8 oz) and not much more in the health food stores. Plenty of quality 'poo to be had.
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Cream of Nature was the ISH. I stocked up when I heard it was being reformulated. I STILL have like 3 bottles in a box in my linen closet...lol.

I must admit though...while my stuff was in storage while I was purchasing and repairing my house, I started using SLS shampoo and while it does strip the hair a bit...its not the evil hair monster that its made out to be. As long as you follow up with a good conditioner...you should be fine using SLS every now and then.
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A good test is simply part your hair in a few sections or even just put your fingers in there at random and run your ringer nail down your scalp...if anything comes off on your fingers or nails.. your scalp is dirty.

Just so you know... if you don't already.. there are sulfate silicone free shampoos on the market (in the drug store) that are very gentle that are great for people with curly hair.

A few are Trader Joe's Moisturizing Shampoo, any of the Burts Bees Wax Poos, Giovanni poos, Alba.

How often do you use that Bentonite Clay stuff ? Cause I would think someone would want to actually WASH their hair at the very minimum once a week and are you supposed to use Bentonite Clay once a week ?

I'm not telling you not to do the baking soda deal because what you chose to do with your hair is up to you ...but frankly I don't see the point when you can just buy a sulfate free and silicone free poo and clean your scalp..then condition your hair like normal. And it's not hassle with any concoctions of baking soda, salt, and then conditioner on top of it...yikes!

Also do you use any sort of leave ins ? Cause often times if they get on the scalp they can cause itching because of certain ingredients in them.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
I havent done a bentonite clay wash in a while i use to do it monthly, i co wash my hair weekly. I would get the kccc seeing that ive heard great reviews on it but like i told my sista above from u I just cant afford a $12 shampoo. I tried trader joes tea tree tripple tingling condish and didnt like it so didnt bother trying other products on that line. I think i need to just stop the madness, save up and buy the shampoo. also i always use an oil as a leave in, yesterday i used my afro detangler leave in but i never apply my leave ins directly to my scalp thanks for your tips
Originally Posted by dee-nature
I think Marah Mizrahi was recommending the Trader Joe's NourishSpa line. That's the one I use; their shampoo and conditioner are $2.99 each (16.9 oz).
Cream of Nature with the green writing was my go too shampoo back when I was relaxed. Sometimes, I think of using it now just to see what would happen.

It's so interesting how the right information can be misconstrued... kinda like the telephone game.

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for the past week, I've always had stuff under my nails....and I'm using sulfate free shampoo...
its pretty much clean when you scratch your scalp and nothing is under your nails.

I usually shampoo my hair once every two or three weeks to get the conditioner build up out.
Giovanni shampoo works fine, you really dont have to use a lot of shampoo when cleanising your hair because you mainly focus on your scalp..so the bottle should last a while plus youre not using it everyday..just every so often when you feel like you have build up.
Originally Posted by Eighty7
That does it im getting this shampoo, they are sold @ wal mart next to my house
Originally Posted by dee-nature
Also try burt's bees they are like seven or eight buck i belive. BB means business when it comes to getting the grime and dirt of your scalp
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*putting on my lab coat*

I just HAVE to say this....ACV does NOT clean the scalp. It does NOT remove buildup. What it does is changes the PH of the hair and scalp, which closes the open cuticles on the hair, which makes it FEEL cleaner and behave better. But it is not "cleaning" your hair or scalp.

Also, be careful using baking soda on your hair and following up with ACV. Using a heavy basic product (baking soda) followed by an acidic product (ACV) is not good for the structural intergity of your hair.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
You are too cute! Yes, I read you saying that about ACV QUITE some time ago and I listened!! B/c it closes cuticles, it does make hair look shinier, right? I like how shiny my hair is after...

When my scalp is dirty my leave-in looks like it's getting "stuck" on my scalp b/c there's other ish on there. I also use shampoo; dee-nature I know you said you didn't want to spend $12 on shampoo, but I only need to use a little bit, while I use a TON of conditioner, so shampoos last me a long time. The Kinky Curly Come Clean is too clarifying (ie stripping) for me, but I use it every once in awhile. Right now I'm using this plant shampoo for growth that Naturalista put me on. I would like more moisture, but it's not bad. I find poo bars to be more moisturizing.

Also...confession. I really miss Cream of Nature!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I see what u mean about not having to use a lot so its worth the price I will deff be looking something in the stores cus shipping is not nice. I don't know if its the summer but lately its been hard for me to get my scalp clean, I tried the nails on scalp method y'all taught me and I still see build up, I think it my last attempt with eco styler that has to be it b/c I don't use a lot of products packed on top of each other to avoid this issue all I had in my hair was avacado oil and the gel, I have used this oil many times b4 my hairs oils so I know it wasn't it, so I blame it on the gel.
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If you use bentonite or any other type of home made clay or deep conditioner and it gets left on your scalp, you are going to itch. To get this stuff off your hair you have to 1) dunk your head into a full sink or bathtub and swish it around, paying attention to the scalp and 2) water rinse thoroughly with a good strong stream.

I like the sulfate-free shampoo route; just watch out for shampoos with oleifin sulfonate -- it can be harsh. I also like soap bars, in particular Theraneem maximum strength neem (the scented version). A Theraneem bar will cost me around $7. and last for 6 months. You can get soap bars and shampoo bar samples (generous ones) for $2.00 at Chagrin valley soaps (on line).
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I just HAVE to say this....ACV does NOT clean the scalp. It does NOT remove buildup. What it does is changes the PH of the hair and scalp, which closes the open cuticles on the hair, which makes it FEEL cleaner and behave better. But it is not "cleaning" your hair or scalp.

Also, be careful using baking soda on your hair and following up with ACV. Using a heavy basic product (baking soda) followed by an acidic product (ACV) is not good for the structural intergity of your hair.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
this is my understanding of acv.. & i got confused when ppl said it removes buildup.
So i shampoo twice weekly, but i use a shampoo bar.. the acv gets rid of that waxy feeling. Im scared to use it after each shampoo though because i dont want it to strip my hair..
am i cool with doing it that often?

p.s. ..that Cream of Nature was awesome when i used it way back when.. i used Keracare moisturizing shampoo & liked it better but the results were similar! That super slippery conditioned feeling..
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i keep hearing about cream of nature.

also, curlmart is having a sale on elucence shampoo. $6
Originally Posted by hippychic
good look I will look into that. Thanks for the heads up
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OK I am late to this discussion, but where does one pay $12 for 12 oz of shampoo? I buy my Giovanni shampoo@ Ross or Marshalls/TJ Maxx and it's $12.99 for a LITER and about $5 for the small bottle you can hold in your hand - no more than drugstore 'poo. At my local health food store, it's $5.99 for the small bottle too. The Giovanni shampoos are the sulfate-free, silicone-free kind every one is recommending (except for the clarifying shampoo). EO shampoos are available at Ross/Marshall's as well, for cheaper ($9.99 for a liter, $2.99 or $3.99 for 8 oz) and not much more in the health food stores. Plenty of quality 'poo to be had.
Originally Posted by sagehen
when I was talking abt $12 shampoo I was refering to KCCC its highly recommended on fotki and here. I'm glad u know where to get all the bargain stuff but I live in a small town where ross don't provide hair products and there isn't a marshalls but like u said u are late for this discussion because I already stated I plan to try the govannis poo. But thank you for your input now I have lots more resources! Thumbs up to the ladies on NC
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A good test is simply part your hair in a few sections or even just put your fingers in there at random and run your ringer nail down your scalp...if anything comes off on your fingers or nails.. your scalp is dirty.

Just so you know... if you don't already.. there are sulfate silicone free shampoos on the market (in the drug store) that are very gentle that are great for people with curly hair.

A few are Trader Joe's Moisturizing Shampoo, any of the Burts Bees Wax Poos, Giovanni poos, Alba.

How often do you use that Bentonite Clay stuff ? Cause I would think someone would want to actually WASH their hair at the very minimum once a week and are you supposed to use Bentonite Clay once a week ?

I'm not telling you not to do the baking soda deal because what you chose to do with your hair is up to you ...but frankly I don't see the point when you can just buy a sulfate free and silicone free poo and clean your scalp..then condition your hair like normal. And it's not hassle with any concoctions of baking soda, salt, and then conditioner on top of it...yikes!

Also do you use any sort of leave ins ? Cause often times if they get on the scalp they can cause itching because of certain ingredients in them.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
the bolded is exactly when i know its shampoo time.. i get itchy scalp as my hair gets "dirtier" & when i scratch & get residue under my nails.. i know its time to shampoo..

i do one midweek shampoo (scalp only) + cowash & a full head shampoo on the weekends before i DT, those two for me are enough to keep away the itchies.

& that baking soda combo sounds real complicated it seems easier to just use a shampoo. I use the bolded with good results, the ALBA is more expensive but gentle.. another good one is a castille soap like dr.bronners or whole foods brand (even trader joes) a bottle will run you abt $10 but you only need a little to get a good lather & theyre very cleansing so one should last you a long time!
Originally Posted by Reeky
Thanks sis. Will consider what u recommended
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My hair LOVES oil

2. "Being natural must be the new crack cus im hooked!!"

“Being happy doesn't mean that everything is
perfect. It means that you've decided to look beyond the imperfections.”

www.fotki.com/dee-nature-619

A good test is simply part your hair in a few sections or even just put your fingers in there at random and run your ringer nail down your scalp...if anything comes off on your fingers or nails.. your scalp is dirty.

Just so you know... if you don't already.. there are sulfate silicone free shampoos on the market (in the drug store) that are very gentle that are great for people with curly hair.

A few are Trader Joe's Moisturizing Shampoo, any of the Burts Bees Wax Poos, Giovanni poos, Alba.

How often do you use that Bentonite Clay stuff ? Cause I would think someone would want to actually WASH their hair at the very minimum once a week and are you supposed to use Bentonite Clay once a week ?

I'm not telling you not to do the baking soda deal because what you chose to do with your hair is up to you ...but frankly I don't see the point when you can just buy a sulfate free and silicone free poo and clean your scalp..then condition your hair like normal. And it's not hassle with any concoctions of baking soda, salt, and then conditioner on top of it...yikes!

Also do you use any sort of leave ins ? Cause often times if they get on the scalp they can cause itching because of certain ingredients in them.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
I havent done a bentonite clay wash in a while i use to do it monthly, i co wash my hair weekly. I would get the kccc seeing that ive heard great reviews on it but like i told my sista above from u I just cant afford a $12 shampoo. I tried trader joes tea tree tripple tingling condish and didnt like it so didnt bother trying other products on that line. I think i need to just stop the madness, save up and buy the shampoo. also i always use an oil as a leave in, yesterday i used my afro detangler leave in but i never apply my leave ins directly to my scalp thanks for your tips
Originally Posted by dee-nature
I think Marah Mizrahi was recommending the Trader Joe's NourishSpa line. That's the one I use; their shampoo and conditioner are $2.99 each (16.9 oz).
Originally Posted by threesnapps
ok, I can afford to try it then lol thanks
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www.fotki.com/dee-nature-619

for the past week, I've always had stuff under my nails....and I'm using sulfate free shampoo...
Originally Posted by turtles
I'm going to take this opportunity and throw out the fact that my scalp has not been entirely clean since my mom stopped washing it in like...02. Yeah, yeah I know ewwwww but I just can't get it to pass the nail test!! :'( My strands will be squeaky clean (and this is not a good feeling, but I take it there because I think it'll help my scalp) but not the actual scalp. I've tried using only my fingertips, I've tried using my nails, ,I've tried sls, more organic brands, black soap. Nothing works arrrrrgh! At this point I've pretty much accepted it my hair grows normally and I don't have dandruff problems. I just feel sad when everyone talks about how epically clean their scalps are. sigh pity party ovah.
I got the bottle for $8 at walmart, there was the clarifying kind and another but after reading what they all did I picked up this one hope it work. Just wanna thank all u sistas for ur help.
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www.fotki.com/dee-nature-619

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