As a 4b, do you at all feel alienated from the 4as, 3cs, and above?

Although I have to admit that it seems convenient to know what "type" your hair is, this system seems like some bull-dookie. Does it really matter? Don't let it become divisive.

That said, I am very thankful to have found this site and many others, as well as all of the YouTube videos that offer tutorials and product reviews. 10 years ago, I was natural and lasted about six months because I did not take the time to understand my hair and how to take care of it. So then I relaxed it *again* only to not take care of it and here I am again, in it for the looooooong haul. Mostly because I've seen so many of you care for your hair so beautifully. This gives me the confidence to know that I can do it too.


BC: September 2010

Look me up @ http://public.fotki.com/kitka82/
I think this is a great place to put this. I recently started what I'm calling a bucket list. It's just a variety of topics on natural subjects in a list format. One of them is a list of type 4 women with hair that has reached BSL and beyond.



I have to say though that as people have fed me links that I've very disappointed in the lack of 4B women out there with at least BSL hair. I tried my best to pull them off of nappturality since i started the first BSL challenge over there two years ago. Since then, I've reached BSL several times as I cut my hair to get rid of my layers. My hair is nearly BSL all over so dang it, I know it's possible. It just seems to be that folks get frustrated and/or just decide that having that much 4b hair is just not for them.

Dunno. But here's the list. http://nappyme.wordpress.com/bucket-...sl-and-beyond/

Even though the list is rather lacking of type 4Bs in shear numbers, there are some good ones to feast your eyes on. If you know of any that I don't have on my list please feel free to let me know.

enjoy
Thanks for the list, lady! Such beautiful hair and truly inspirational!


BC: September 2010

Look me up @ http://public.fotki.com/kitka82/
You're so welcome. Check back after this weekend, I still have some to add.
i htink type depends on however your hair feels like behaving that day
"I will not stop. For mad I may be, but I
will never be convenient."
~Revolution by Jennifer Donnelly

Last edited by ultracurlz; 02-20-2011 at 07:02 PM.
hmm...alienated? no... but certainly a bit irritated at the marketing and social favoritism to types 2 and 3.

when i finally learned about density(number of hairs on the scalp), porosity, and strand thickness, i sort of let the Andre thing go....My hair looked 4a when it was very short but the longer it gets, it shows mostly Ss and then coils only at the ends. At this point, I'd say i'm 4b(for what it's worth) but again it's awareness of those other traits that have made the difference. The curl/coil/kink size isn't really an issue for me. I go to the 4a section because everyones over there. I also lurk 2-3 for my kids and mom. Maybe I'm dense but I haven't notice a huge difference (besides the psycho-social BS).

Basically, I use the most water, conditioner, oil, and styling product on mine and use a lighter hand for everyone else.

The other issue is that my hair on the sides and center back doesn't tolerate days & days of wash & goes as well as the crown and nape can. Even still w/ some length and added weight from conditioner or gel that's ammeliorated.

My mom & daughter are 3s and their hair is thirsty and tangle-prone too...does better in braids/protectives etc. I don't think any curl type is inherently easier to deal with. My type 1 husband doesn't like that his hair is dead straight and his haircut styles are limited. It's really always something with people. My MIL has the straight hair and in my dh's family the 'good hair' is curly hair.

I mention them because the assumption is that type 2-3 are prized (by 4s) because of their proximity to type 1. OTOH you have a lot of 1s drooling over type 2-3 and too. It's interesting.

Yes I agree that 4 hair can hold braids a lot better. My daughter's braids have to be redone more often than if she had hair like mine.

I don't wish my curls and kinks were larger or silky (I do wish it was less dense...so in theory i'd like fewer hairs &while i'm dreaming, hey maybe a smaller head , especially when trying to put it up)

...I really just wish that some people weren't so incredibly mean and ignorant about human variety. I also dislike that meme that hair like mine must be in twists or locks to be possibly acceptable. maybe.

I had locks and I loved them but in some small way it was a vacation from all of the crap. Styles like locks, buns, braids are wonderful yet sometimes they can serve as equalizers or disguises? Not intentionally like a relaxer or anything..

... but yah, the other styles are for convenience and protection but there's a difference between walking into a room with my sort of cowashed-only hair just loose & out there vs. having it in one of those tamed styles. There's less attention when it's stretched, controlled, or put away. It's as if some people only want to see 2-3 curls out, breathing, and frolicking.
True realism consists in revealing the surprising things
which habit keeps covered and prevents us from seeing.
- Jean Cocteau


<---Fotki photo albums
Yep, I'm resurrectin' this thread.

Alienated? No. Maybe forgotten or less appreciated. When I first came to this board, I immediately realized the overwhelming number of posts in the 4a section, and I thought, "Wow, this is great! I 'll find so much information here." And I was right. But a few months down the line after my BC, I realized that my hair was 4b.

So, I excitedly came to this section to find others with hair like mine only to be extremely disappointed. The transition from the 4a section to the 4b section was shocking, I guess. Let's face it, it's a ghost town in here! It discourages other 4bs from posting in here, so they post in the 4a section. And I don't blame them. Why post here where you only get 5 or 6 responses as opposed to the section above where you can get at least 10.

What's really disappointing is that the second largest thread in here is so NEGATIVE. It's funny how controversial threads like these get so many hits while threads started by newbies for suggestions are often ignored.

It doesn't really help that we're in this "defining" craze now. As I type this right now, all I see on these side ads are "Want Frizz-free Gorgeous Ribbon Curls?" and "Farewell to Frizz". It's always defining this or shingling that. Am I the only one that's satisfied with a big fluffy fro?? I've never gotten any negativity for wearing my fro out. At school, people affectionately pat and rub my hair, amazed at how soft it is. My nickname is "Fro" now! lol I've worn twist outs to school and was surprised at how people moaned and groaned about liking my fro better.

Anyway, I'm glad the OP was brave enough to ask this question because everyone knows how taboo it is to divide hair types and all.

See Ya'll.
Last relaxer: May 30, 2010
The Big Chop!: October 31, 2010
Type 4 (Densely packed coils)
Co-wash:Suave Naturals



The 4a board is extremely versatile - everyone is welcome in there. 2s post in 4a, a ton of 3cs and 3bs post in 4a, 4bs post in 4a. IMO the mistake that people make is that they think they can't post on a board because they aren't that hair type. And the funny thing is, the biggest threads that get a e-side eye on 4a are the ones that are focused on defining curls. Most of the "veterans" on 4a don't give 2 smacks about defining hair. Yes, we might talk about a product if it reduced frizz and seems to defines curls, but IMO you can't define something you don't already have. The main theme I see on 4a is having soft, moisturized hair. For instance, EVERYONE knows that Eco Styler can give a great "look" but the hair is usually crunchy or stiff, and most don't like it.

The 4b section of the forum is just that - a section. I don't think it needs to define someone or give them a "home." People should post where they want to. MOST of the other forums on this board have WAY less traffic than 4a, it's not unique to 4b. 4a gets the most traffic out of ANY of the boards (except maybe Non-Hair), and it's because there are a bunch of different types of people in there...is that a problem? Not to me...
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
YouTube

Grand Duchess Fierce Freckles, Mistress of the Mighty Snap and Doyenne of the Potent Products Pavane in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
On another note, I dislike the fact that some posters are dissing looser hair types in the process of praising their 4b hair. There's a prevalent double standard where it's okay to insult, demote, demean(I'm having trouble coming up with the right word here ) looser hair types, yet y'all get angry if there's even a hint of negativity about 4b hair. It's not fair in my opinion.
I think the reason there aren't many posters is that most of us are completely at a loss as to what to do with our hair, especially as it grows out from a twa. We are finding that most of the new products on the market are for those with looser curls.
I am slowly developing my own system, basically based on tweeking the way my mum used to manage my hair. I think the oldies got something right with the oil thing. My hair is mainly only lovely and soft as opposed to tough when I use products like Qhemet Amla/olive, which really plays a similar role to the old vaseline type hair products.
Dawn.
The 4a board is extremely versatile - everyone is welcome in there. 2s post in 4a, a ton of 3cs and 3bs post in 4a, 4bs post in 4a. IMO the mistake that people make is that they think they can't post on a board because they aren't that hair type. And the funny thing is, the biggest threads that get a e-side eye on 4a are the ones that are focused on defining curls. Most of the "veterans" on 4a don't give 2 smacks about defining hair. Yes, we might talk about a product if it reduced frizz and seems to defines curls, but IMO you can't define something you don't already have. The main theme I see on 4a is having soft, moisturized hair. For instance, EVERYONE knows that Eco Styler can give a great "look" but the hair is usually crunchy or stiff, and most don't like it.

The 4b section of the forum is just that - a section. I don't think it needs to define someone or give them a "home." People should post where they want to. MOST of the other forums on this board have WAY less traffic than 4a, it's not unique to 4b. 4a gets the most traffic out of ANY of the boards (except maybe Non-Hair), and it's because there are a bunch of different types of people in there...is that a problem? Not to me...
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
Bravo!
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture
On another note, I dislike the fact that some posters are dissing looser hair types in the process of praising their 4b hair. There's a prevalent double standard where it's okay to insult, demote, demean(I'm having trouble coming up with the right word here ) looser hair types, yet y'all get angry if there's even a hint of negativity about 4b hair. It's not fair in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Demebear
...and I think a lot of that comes from insecurity about their own hair. It's a dead giveaway. I love ALL hair...straight, kinky, coily, nappy, wavy...it's all good. Do I love kinky, coily hair the BEST? Yes, I do...and I always will because personally, I find it interesting, versatile and just..AMAZING. Plus, that's what I have, so I've learned to embrace it.

I don't "hate" on looser textured naturals, trying to appear "enlightened" and radical. It's a turnoff, and like I said, it's often rooted in insecurity. Some of those same "haters" would go back in the womb, if they could come out with "curly" hair.

It's very small minded to ONLY be able appreciate what is just like you. God made us all...and ALL of what He made is good.
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture

Last edited by NEA; 03-28-2011 at 12:00 PM.
On another note, I dislike the fact that some posters are dissing looser hair types in the process of praising their 4b hair. There's a prevalent double standard where it's okay to insult, demote, demean(I'm having trouble coming up with the right word here ) looser hair types, yet y'all get angry if there's even a hint of negativity about 4b hair. It's not fair in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Demebear
It's whatever dude Life isn't fair. It isn't fair that looser textures are more desired by the black community*generally speaking, of course*. It isn't fair that even while the "natural movement" (I'm basically referring to the trend of natural hair) is in full swing "curly" hair is still represented more than kinky hair*which seems to be more common*. It isn't fair that, for some women, "good" loose hair has become a new kind of perm. It isn't fair that one of the most prominent names in the game can get away with a slogan like "turn your kinks to curls!" and most people don't even realize how backwards it is.

So what were you saying about a "hint" of negativity against 4b hair? I'm pretty definitely not a 4b. In fact, the other day some chick at Aveda asked if I was 3c. I LOVE my hair. I think it's awesome-sauce. Can't nobody tell me nothing about it and if I'm in a room with a bunch of other women....I fully believe that TEN out of nine docs will agree that my hair is the flyest.

None of that stops me from realizing the beauty of 4b hair. None of that stops me from realizing how absolutely skewed and biased the natural hair industry tends to be against my kinkier sisters. My love for my hair isn't going to keep me from being objective and paying attention. Honestly, your post reminded me of white people who cry reverse racism when blacks dare to discuss real discrimination against themselves. I mean seriously? We can't even have a discussion w/o someone getting butthurt?

Disclaimer: This would have come off a lot less snarky if we were face to face. I'm not trying to be mean AT ALL. Just concise-ish (this is already long would've been an essay if I'd been less...blunt).
On another note, I dislike the fact that some posters are dissing looser hair types in the process of praising their 4b hair. There's a prevalent double standard where it's okay to insult, demote, demean(I'm having trouble coming up with the right word here ) looser hair types, yet y'all get angry if there's even a hint of negativity about 4b hair. It's not fair in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Demebear
It's whatever dude Life isn't fair. It isn't fair that looser textures are more desired by the black community*generally speaking, of course*. It isn't fair that even while the "natural movement" (I'm basically referring to the trend of natural hair) is in full swing "curly" hair is still represented more than kinky hair*which seems to be more common*. It isn't fair that, for some women, "good" loose hair has become a new kind of perm. It isn't fair that one of the most prominent names in the game can get away with a slogan like "turn your kinks to curls!" and most people don't even realize how backwards it is.

So what were you saying about a "hint" of negativity against 4b hair? I'm pretty definitely not a 4b. In fact, the other day some chick at Aveda asked if I was 3c. I LOVE my hair. I think it's awesome-sauce. Can't nobody tell me nothing about it and if I'm in a room with a bunch of other women....I fully believe that TEN out of nine docs will agree that my hair is the flyest.

None of that stops me from realizing the beauty of 4b hair. None of that stops me from realizing how absolutely skewed and biased the natural hair industry tends to be against my kinkier sisters. My love for my hair isn't going to keep me from being objective and paying attention. Honestly, your post reminded me of white people who cry reverse racism when blacks dare to discuss real discrimination against themselves. I mean seriously? We can't even have a discussion w/o someone getting butthurt?

Disclaimer: This would have come off a lot less snarky if we were face to face. I'm not trying to be mean AT ALL. Just concise-ish (this is already long would've been an essay if I'd been less...blunt).
Originally Posted by AmberBrown
First off, I have 4b hair so I don't see how the reverse racism thing would apply to me. I'm not hurt, I was just stating an opinion. As this is a discussion all sides of the debate can be discussed, no? I just get tired of all this 4b hair is discriminated against and society prefers looser textures stuff. Maybe its how I was raised but I could give a rats a** how society views my hair and if companies discriminate against my hair type. Rereading this post, I can understand that some people might think that I'm belittling their experiences, but that's not it at all. I've just learned to let go of the wrongs that have been done to me-whether it's someone calling me black coal or saying my hair looks like a nappy piece of shi*

Those companies that discriminate against my hair type, don't receive my business point black... I don't dwell on it. I don't feel alienated from looser textures because I don't see the need to. I 've gotten to the point where all this division stuff is not necessary and where I've gotten tired of some tighter textured naturals taking jabs at looser textures. It's like their punishing them for being what society wants. I'm not saying we should live kumbaya and love everyone's hair. We're all entitled to our preferences but what I'm talking about here is basic respect.

P.S: Your comment did not sound snarky to me at all. I appreciate your opinion and your post was very concise and well thought out.

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com