As a 4b, do you at all feel alienated from the 4as, 3cs, and above?

I'll start off by saying that I have no ill feelings toward being a 4b. I like my hair. However, I just feel kind of...isolated when it comes to other natural ladies.

On almost every natural hair website, it seems like there are almost no 4bs whatsoever. The ladies with long hair in their fotkis never have the same hair texture that I do. Plus, sometimes, some 3c ladies will complain about that "rough", 4b coily patch in the middle of their heads and say how they can never keep it moisturized and soft. Well, how do they think it is for someone with hair like that all over their head? It's really not that bad, but they make it out to be like it's the end of the world.

So, this leaves me to the question...where are all the 4bs? I find it hard to believe that 90% of black women only have 4a or 3c hair. Could it be that the 4bs are just the least prone to go natural?

Last edited by Indeed; 08-01-2010 at 04:40 AM.
I'll start off by saying that I have no ill feelings toward being a 4b. I like my hair. However, I just feel kind of...isolated when it comes to other natural ladies.

On almost every natural hair website, it seems like there are almost no 4bs whatsoever. The ladies with long hair in their fotkis never have the same hair texture that I do. Plus, sometimes, some 3c ladies will complain about that "rough", 4b coily patch in the middle of their heads and say how they can never keep it moisturized and soft. Well, how do they think it is for someone with hair like that all over their head? It's really not that bad, but they make it out to be like it's the end of the world.

So, this leaves me to the question...where are all the 4bs? I find it hard to believe that 90% of black women only have 4a or 3c hair. Could it be that the 4bs just are less prone to go natural?
Originally Posted by Indeed
I've always wondered about the bolded too. I think that yeah, either "4bs" are less likely to go natural or ladies with looser hair textures are highlighted and exposed to an extreme degree when compared to their counterparts (obviously the two possibilities are rooted in the same problem--that *bleeping* good hair slave mentality).

All that said, I have noticed that most hair blogs and forums are void of the tighter textured presence--there's one notable exception that I know of. Nappturality. There are some beautiful ladies over there. As for hair idols? Feast your eyes on NappyMia http://public.fotki.com/Nappyme/
She also has a blog: http://nappyme.wordpress.com/
I love her!
Oh wow, I butchered that last sentence. Haha.

It's unfortunate how most of these things boil down to to good hair mentality. =\ Thank you for the blog, though. I hope to run into more of those (as well as fotkis).
i agree lots of the natural hair companies lean towards other curl patterns. i've stopped buying products from companies that do that. they want the money but then put 4b's in a closet.
i hate that miss jessie's does that. all there before shots and tutorials are designed to make 4b hair look its worst. its why i have never tried their products (the ingredients dont help either).

to be honest i'm 4-something but not sure, and i don't care. i love my lil fro
Another 4b here! I've noticed the same thing you have and that one sentence with the one patch of 4b always burned me up inside. I'm glad somebody else noticed lol


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I'll start off by saying that I have no ill feelings toward being a 4b. I like my hair. However, I just feel kind of...isolated when it comes to other natural ladies.

On almost every natural hair website, it seems like there are almost no 4bs whatsoever. The ladies with long hair in their fotkis never have the same hair texture that I do. Plus, sometimes, some 3c ladies will complain about that "rough", 4b coily patch in the middle of their heads and say how they can never keep it moisturized and soft. Well, how do they think it is for someone with hair like that all over their head? It's really not that bad, but they make it out to be like it's the end of the world.

So, this leaves me to the question...where are all the 4bs? I find it hard to believe that 90% of black women only have 4a or 3c hair. Could it be that the 4bs are just the least prone to go natural?
Originally Posted by Indeed
This.

And to answer the question, yes I do. I feel left out when people are talking about "defining curls." What curls? lol. But at the same time, it's a relief, because I just have to worry about keeping my hair healthy.
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Wanted to add another blogger whose hair isn't so much on the curlier side of things (imo). http://targetqueen.blogspot.com/2010...purchases.html
i agree lots of the natural hair companies lean towards other curl patterns. i've stopped buying products from companies that do that. they want the money but then put 4b's in a closet.
i hate that miss jessie's does that. all there before shots and tutorials are designed to make 4b hair look its worst. its why i have never tried their products (the ingredients dont help either).

to be honest i'm 4-something but not sure, and i don't care. i love my lil fro
Originally Posted by OnyxK.

Oh my, I haven't noticed that since I don't buy any products online. I'll have to visit that site and see the photos for myself, although with the way you described it, I'm angry with those companies already.

Another 4b here! I've noticed the same thing you have and that one sentence with the one patch of 4b always burned me up inside. I'm glad somebody else noticed lol
Originally Posted by Ekaette

Oh good, so I'm not crazy. lol. I know some people who do that don't mean to be offensive at all, but it still kind of strikes a nerve with me.

Could it be that the 4bs are just the least prone to go natural?

This.


And to answer the question, yes I do. I feel left out when people are talking about "defining curls." What curls? lol. But at the same time, it's a relief, because I just have to worry about keeping my hair healthy.
Originally Posted by forbee

I totally know what you mean. While I do get curl definition from time to time, it's never intentional and I usually end up frizzing it up anyway. If I want super defined curls, that's what twist/braid/bantu knot outs are for. =)

Wanted to add another blogger whose hair isn't so much on the curlier side of things (imo). http://targetqueen.blogspot.com/2010...purchases.html
Originally Posted by AmberBrown
Oh my goodness, her hair is GORGEOUS. Hair. Envy. I hope I can get a fierce fro like that someday.
I always wonder why the 4b thread hardly gets any posts over here??? I know I've posted in the 4a section just because its frequented more often and there's a better likelihood of some feedback.

Thanks for the great blogs AmberBrown!
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I agree with the comments above. Most days you see like 3b and up being broadcast as natural hair and good acceptable hair. Before seeing my ng, I thought I was 4b and I would always get SO mad when I would see commercials showing light skinned black women with loose curly hair. Like who the Heck is that supposed to represent? We should be represented by someone in the 4s not by biracial blacks that look more "Acceptable". After finding out my hair had a curls pattern, I liked it. My parents/family still call it nappy. Anything 3c and down is nappy in my family's eyes. And I used to get bashed all the time to the point where my self esteem was at an all time low, and I'm usually 99% of the time optimistic. No matter if your 3c 4a 4b, it's all bad hair in ignorant black folks eyes. And when you have good hair, you also get bashed. So I COMPLETLY understand where you come from.
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I always wonder why the 4b thread hardly gets any posts over here??? I know I've posted in the 4a section just because its frequented more often and there's a better likelihood of some feedback.

Thanks for the great blogs AmberBrown!
Originally Posted by dearheart15


I was wondering the exact same thing. I do love how fast and populated that board is, but it's still a bit fishy how this one is practically a ghost town. We can't be the only 4bs on the whole site...can we?

I agree with the comments above. Most days you see like 3b and up being broadcast as natural hair and good acceptable hair. Before seeing my ng, I thought I was 4b and I would always get SO mad when I would see commercials showing light skinned black women with loose curly hair. Like who the Heck is that supposed to represent? We should be represented by someone in the 4s not by biracial blacks that look more "Acceptable". After finding out my hair had a curls pattern, I liked it. My parents/family still call it nappy. Anything 3c and down is nappy in my family's eyes. And I used to get bashed all the time to the point where my self esteem was at an all time low, and I'm usually 99% of the time optimistic. No matter if your 3c 4a 4b, it's all bad hair in ignorant black folks eyes. And when you have good hair, you also get bashed. So I COMPLETLY understand where you come from.
Originally Posted by princessai16


Spot on about the projection of "acceptable" black people with loose hair. There's nothing wrong with light skin and loose curls at all, but it's kind of disheartening when no one seems to acknowledge that people with tighter curls and darker skin exist.

Also, I can relate with the family not liking your hair thing. My dad always acts disgusted when he sees my natural hair out. While my mom is 100% against relaxers, she still doesn't like hair in its natural state. She even said that when she was pregnant with me, she prayed everyday that I would have "good hair" instead of the 4b curls that I got. She says she didn't pray hard enough. *sigh*

Guess you can't really make anyone happy aside from yourself at the end of the day. Really cheesy, but I'm beginning to believe it's true.

On a side note, what type of hair does your family have? If they have 3c-4b hair as well, then that's pretty hypocritical.
I agree with every poster so far. I have 4b hair and really wish this forum was used as much as the 4a forum. On another note I don't think we are the only 4ber's on this site, there are alot more but because of the negative way 4b hair is viewed many don't wish to identify their hair such.
I always wonder why the 4b thread hardly gets any posts over here??? I know I've posted in the 4a section just because its frequented more often and there's a better likelihood of some feedback.

Thanks for the great blogs AmberBrown!
Originally Posted by dearheart15
I agree. I feel like the 4b forum doesn't get as many replies so people tend to post their questions where they're going to get the most replies. I've even seen 2s and 3s posting questions in the 4a forum for that reason!

I also think 4bs are less likely to go and stay natural. When you first start out, it's really hard to maintain moisture and because it's not "good hair" you're going to (probably) face a lot of negative feedback from friends and family and that can wear you down very quickly.


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I agree with dearheart and the others about posting in 4a because of the chance of getting a response is greater.

I am 4b also, but thought at one point that I was 4a. It could be that people are 'misdiagnosing' their curls like I did. It was kinda hard to understand the curl thing without seeing an actual head in front of me (pics aren't always easy to see). I'm learning to love the hair that I was created with, regardless of curls or the lack there of. I actually have spirals, but they are soooo tiny, they get lost in manipulation when I'm doing my hair! And as for combating dryness and such, I've done LOTS of reading from a few boards! My friends can't believe how soft and manageable my hair is! Frequent washing/Cowashing, DC,leave-ins and moisturizers are gold!!
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Hey ladies, I'm primarily 4b with very little 4a but its that d@mn patch of 3c in the crown that gets on my nerves. lol

I have tight, kinky pen spring and pencil size curls all over for the most part but the crown section is a wavy, frizzy mess. My twist/braid outs will be banging all over and a few hours later, that frizzy crown loses definition and rears it's ugly head.

I do post in the 4a forum most often like everyone else because it's the most active but I check and respond to relevant threads on this end to if I feel I can offer advice and support.

Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 08-03-2010 at 09:48 AM.
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I find myself wondering where they are, too. :/ Especially when it comes to youtube - A lot of the women who do tutorials and videos for 4b hair quite obviously have 4a hair!
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I agree with every poster so far. I have 4b hair and really wish this forum was used as much as the 4a forum. On another note I don't think we are the only 4ber's on this site, there are alot more but because of the negative way 4b hair is viewed many don't wish to identify their hair such.
Originally Posted by Bookworm08
This is correct.

I'm sure there are tons of 4bs that identify with 4a because they are in DENIAL. Despite all the mixing that has occurred in this country, most African Americans are brown or black with hair in the 4s. And that is a BEAUTIFUL legacy. I am a Dominican - considered "mixed" and with "good hair" (by some, 3b/c), but I identify myself as black to the utter surprise of many Dominicans. It's pathetic really, I have been told by my Dominican counterparts that, "you're not black girl, you are more indian, you have thin features and good hair". People do ANYTHING to distance themselves from their African heritage. Although there have been positive changes and this site is proof that many women are accpeting and loving their heritage more and more.
You guys!! I hope you don't think I'm spamming (and I'm sure many of you have seen the bloggers, youtubers and fotki(ers) that I'm gushing over but this thread topic is one that I'm pretty passionate about (lol) so I'm taking the opportunity to bombard the world with every relevant hair idol I find

Blog: http://www.frostoppa.com/
Fotki:http://www.fotki.com/ms-gg
YT: http://www.youtube.com/user/FroStoppa

Miss lady has her hair on point!

So many black women claim to embrace "natural" hair while ignoring the hair type that our race is probably most known for. Others try to completely ignore the existance of non "curly" black hair. Since they have a curl pattern errybody must have a curl pattern. Obviously not the case.

Last edited by AmberBrown; 08-03-2010 at 11:15 AM.
You guys!! I hope you don't think I'm spamming (and I'm sure many of you have seen the bloggers, youtubers and fotki(ers) that I'm gushing over but this thread topic is one that I'm pretty passionate about (lol) so I'm taking the opportunity to bombard the world with every relevant hair idol I find

Blog: http://www.frostoppa.com/
Fotki:http://www.fotki.com/ms-gg
YT: http://www.youtube.com/user/FroStoppa
Originally Posted by AmberBrown
Thanks...I haven't come across frostoppa yet, but my hair is very similar to hers. I always like when people on here recommend blogs or youtubers...its way too many people out there to find them all by yourself.
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