Hair Products and Their Bases - Page 12

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 11:11 AM

Hairveda Whipped Gelly

Ingredients include: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates Glycerin, Persea Gratissima Oil, Vanilla, Fragrance. Smells like Tropical Mango.

is Lotioncrafter's AloeThix base

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/aloethix.html

INCI: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (and) Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates

afrosheenqueen · 10-10-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

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Originally Posted by divadee62

If you like Hairveda Acai Berry Phyto Conditioner
Ingredients include: Aqua (water), Glycine Soja Oil, Phyto Keratin (Vegetable) Protein, Acai Berry Extract, Avocado oil, Olive Oil, Cetry Alcohol, Steryl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid, Germall, Fragrance.

Try Boutique Laboratory's Acai Berry Conditioner
http://www.buybulkskincare.com/Acai-Berry-Shampoo.html
INGREDIENTS: organic euterpe oleracea (acai) pulp distillate, purified water, cetyl alcohol (plant source), stearyl alcohol (plant source), stearalkonium chloride (plant source), soybean protein, organic euterpe oleracea (acai) extract, organic hibiscus sabdariffa flower extract, organic punica granatum (pomegranate) seed extract, organic vaccinium angustifolium (blueberry) wine, potassium sorbate (plant source), organic azadirachta indica (neem) leaf extract, dimethyl stearamine (natural source), phenoxyethanol (mild preservative), caprylyl glycol (plant source), panthanol (vitamin B5), tocopherol (natural vitamin E), lactic acid (natural source), magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (vitamin C ester), sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), citric acid (from citrus fruit). May contain natural fragrance (all natural & phthalate-free).
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Hairveda SitriNillah Deep Conditioning Masque
Ingredients: Water, Coconut oil, Castor Oil, Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Steryl Alcohol, Stearakloniun Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Orange oil, Orange Extract, Vanilla Extract, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. jar.

is Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ.
Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
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Hairveda Moist Conditioner 24/7
Ingredients: Water Coconut oil, Hydronated Vegetable oil, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. bottle

is Also Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ. Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
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Hairveda Amla Shampoo
[FONT='Century Gothic','sans-serif'][FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Aloe) Juice, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Shikakai Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Ricinus Communis (Castor) Oil, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Vitis vinifera (Grape) Extract, Bambusa glaucescens (Bamboo) Extract, Tetrasodium Edta, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Citric Acid, Frangrance. [/font]
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is the Essential Wholesale Amber Sulfate-Free Shampoo Base. Looks like she is leaving out a number of the real ingredients and of course switching the order around.
http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Am...e-Free-Shampoo
Ingredients/Tech Specs: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Edta, Citric Acid
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Hairveda Whipped Green Tea Butter
[FONT='Georgia','serif'][FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Ingredients include: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Fragrance. 6oz. [/font][/font]

is Crafters Choice™ Green Tea Butter Blend
Click here to see productIngredients: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil (and) Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder(and) Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil.
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Hairveda UrbanAroma Pur Buttercream
http://hairveda.com/UrbanAroma.aspx
Pur ButterCreme
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Organic

Is Body Butter from Majestic Mountain Sage
http://www.thesage.com/catalog/Moisturizers.html
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Cyclopentasiloxane, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG-150 Distearate, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Denotes organic material

OMG!!! All that wait time for nothing!? I think I'm going to be sick...

Someone mentioned in the LCHF thread that it was probably because they don't order the bulk bases until they have the money from the sale so they know how much to order. Then when people ask they attribute the wait time to "making the products by hand."

Very good point.

ETA: Now that I think about it, it is the only they can afford to have a sale. Not just Hairveda but other c ompnies. They get the bulk bases at a cheaper price the more they order and then they pass those savings down to the consumer. It sounds sexier to say your waiting for "handmade" products though. LOL.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 11:20 AM

I feel so stupid...
Hairveda Almond Glaze
Ingredients include: Sweet Almond Butter, Sweet Almond oil, Ricinus communis Seed oil, Beeswax, L. Laurate, Copernica Cerifera Wax, Fragrance. 6oz.

is Crafters Choice™ Lip Balm Base for Pots

Click here for product

Ingredients: Ricinus Communis (Castor) Seed Oil (and)Beeswax (and) Lauryl Laurate (and) Copernicia Cerifera (Carnauba) Wax

LhoreSpencer · 10-10-2010, 11:23 AM

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

Naturalista · 10-10-2010, 11:29 AM

Dammit to hell!!! Divadee!! LOLOL!!

The hairveda gelly was also Crafter's Choice Thickened AVG, but it's no longer sold. I guess she found an alternative.

Crafter's Choice Aloe Vera Gel - Thickened : Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (and) Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates

Oh help us Lord!! LOLOL!!

Also, this thread is coming up HIGH on the search list when I was doing this... hehe!

LhoreSpencer · 10-10-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by divadee62

I feel so stupid...
Hairveda Almond Glaze
Ingredients include: Sweet Almond Butter, Sweet Almond oil, Ricinus communis Seed oil, Beeswax, L. Laurate, Copernica Cerifera Wax, Fragrance. 6oz.

is Crafters Choice™ Lip Balm Base for Pots

Click here for product

Ingredients: Ricinus Communis (Castor) Seed Oil (and)Beeswax (and) Lauryl Laurate (and) Copernicia Cerifera (Carnauba) Wax

The website highly recommends this for LIP USE!!! WTF?!?!?!?

cheveuxbouclés · 10-10-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mariag002

I think it's a shame because now other online companies will probably also lose alot of customers now that their source is revealed. I am going to buy the gallon sizes of conditioner from Essential Wholesale. I would love to experiment and start my own private label one day. This whole textbook fiasco Has taught me what NOT to do when owning a business.

BTW a few of these vendors are on Etsy claiming their products are handmade. That's a bit shady as well. I won't name them cuz I don't want to hurt their business, just sayin.

I am too busy ( read: lazy) to buy and make my own products, so it won't really deter me from buying from most companies who use these bases. I think that some companies may now LIE about their ingredients, because we all know they lurk on these boards. I hope it doesn't get to that point, but it probably will. I am not sure if Mala was just not business saavy or greedy, but either way she brought this wrath on herself.

Just like many black boys who aspire to be basketball players and rappers, many people in the black owned businesses don't find it necessary to LEARN the business. You should take classes, read every book you can find, along with conducting thorough research before you begin to even think about opening a business.

I am feeling like natural hair products are becoming a dime a dozen much like cupcake and frozen yogurt shops. You have to really stand out and be spectacular to be generating profits these days.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 11:35 AM

Yall need to have my back when the Hairveda stans come for me...cause the Whipped Cream yall aint gonna like where it comes from and what is REALLY in it. Cause she isn't listing the full ingredients of the base.

Hairveda Whipped Cream 3 in 1 moisturizer
Ingredients Include: Water, Glycerin, Ricinus Communis Oil, Sweet Almond Oil. Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter),Ceteryl Alcohol, Steryl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Isopropryl Palmitate, Emulsifying wax, Germall Plus, Light Fragrance.

is really Wholesale Supplies Plus Head to Toe Lotion Base

Click here to see product

Ingredients: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol & Ceteareth-20(this is steryl alcohol), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate (glycerin and stearic acid mix), Polysorbate 60 (emulsifier), Propylene Glycol (and) Diazolidinyl Urea (and) Methylparaben (and) Propylparaben (Germall Plus), Petrolatum, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Stearic Acid, Isopropyl Palmitate, Allantoin, Disodium EDTA, BHT, Benzophenone-4

Naturalista · 10-10-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divadee62

Hairveda Whipped Gelly

Ingredients include: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates Glycerin, Persea Gratissima Oil, Vanilla, Fragrance. Smells like Tropical Mango.

is Lotioncrafter's AloeThix base

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/aloethix.html

INCI: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (and) Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates

What?!! OMG you rock!

I guess I need to buy some glycerin. I have fragrance oils. I buy from Lotion Crafters and didn't even check to see what company orders from them.

afrosheenqueen - I am BostonMaria over at LHCF and I mentioned something similar to your comment

Quote:

Someone mentioned in the LCHF thread that it was probably because they don't order the bulk bases until they have the money from the sale so they know how much to order. Then when people ask they attribute the wait time to "making the products by hand."

The ladies over there pretty much had a freakin fit whenever people (including me) would get mad at Hairveda for sending products 4 weeks after we paid for our items. If you search the old "I'm in love with Hairveda" thread from Nov-Dec 2008 these women were e-ganging up on us LMFAO about how we have to wait, these items are hand made, we either need to have patience or buy stuff from CVS. It really turned me off and I stopped ordering from Hairveda. I did place an order in Sept and I will finally receive my products this week, exactly a month later.

I found out about the bases about 9 months ago and made a decision to just make my own stuff at home. It curbed my PJism big time. If items are really made at home I will wait, no problem. But once I found out at the reason why it would take so long is because these items needed to be placed with a warehouse first and THEN my stuff would be shipped... just doesn't sit well with me.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 11:38 AM

Chile chile...what a tangled web...what a tangled web.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naturalista

Dammit to hell!!! Divadee!! LOLOL!!

The hairveda gelly was also Crafter's Choice Thickened AVG, but it's no longer sold. I guess she found an alternative.

Crafter's Choice Aloe Vera Gel - Thickened : Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (and) Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates

Oh help us Lord!! LOLOL!!

Also, this thread is coming up HIGH on the search list when I was doing this... hehe!

Naturalista · 10-10-2010, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariag002

Quote:

Originally Posted by divadee62

Hairveda Whipped Gelly

Ingredients include: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates Glycerin, Persea Gratissima Oil, Vanilla, Fragrance. Smells like Tropical Mango.

is Lotioncrafter's AloeThix base

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/aloethix.html

INCI: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (and) Acrylates/C-10 Alkyl Acrylates

What?!! OMG you rock!

I guess I need to buy some glycerin. I have fragrance oils. I buy from Lotion Crafters and didn't even check to see what company orders from them.

afrosheenqueen - I am BostonMaria over at LHCF and I mentioned something similar to your comment

Quote:

Someone mentioned in the LCHF thread that it was probably because they don't order the bulk bases until they have the money from the sale so they know how much to order. Then when people ask they attribute the wait time to "making the products by hand."

The ladies over there pretty much had a freakin fit whenever people (including me) would get mad at Hairveda for sending products 4 weeks after we paid for our items. If you search the old "I'm in love with Hairveda" thread from Nov-Dec 2008 these women were e-ganging up on us LMFAO about how we have to wait, these items are hand made, we either need to have patience or buy stuff from CVS. It really turned me off and I stopped ordering from Hairveda. I did place an order in Sept and I will finally receive my products this week, exactly a month later.

This is exactly why I stopped going over there cause most of times they act like sheep. LOL!!

Ain't no bleating going on over here... you go girl and make that gelly!!

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by divadee62

Yall need to have my back when the Hairveda stans come for me...cause the Whipped Cream yall aint gonna like where it comes from and what is REALLY in it. Cause she isn't listing the full ingredients of the base.

Hairveda Whipped Cream 3 in 1 moisturizer
Ingredients Include: Water, Glycerin, Ricinus Communis Oil, Sweet Almond Oil. Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter),Ceteryl Alcohol, Steryl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Isopropryl Palmitate, Emulsifying wax, Germall Plus, Light Fragrance.

is really Wholesale Supplies Plus Head to Toe Lotion Base

Click here to see product

Ingredients: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol & Ceteareth-20(this is steryl alcohol), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate (glycerin and stearic acid mix), Polysorbate 60 (emulsifier), Propylene Glycol (and) Diazolidinyl Urea (and) Methylparaben (and) Propylparaben (Germall Plus), Petrolatum, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Stearic Acid, Isopropyl Palmitate, Allantoin, Disodium EDTA, BHT, Benzophenone-4

So I'm putting body lotion and lip balm in my hair

I wish I hadn't read this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naturalista

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

curlylcp & LhoreSpencer, I'm sure some people will continue to buy from these companies. Hairveda's prices are decent and at least she's consistent with her products. As far as Afroveda though, I'm sure most people will not pay $32 for a product sold wholesale for $8.

I'm one of those people that bought in bulk last year and will continue to do so. I bought a 16 oz bottle of avocado oil last year and I use it all the time. I still have about 7 oz left and this was purchased 11 months ago. Even if you just buy the base and a few oils while you wait for your products to arrive (this is what I do sometimes) its definitely worth it.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 11:45 AM

I know i know, I paused when I found it...because of what this was gonna do to people who use it and love it. Especially those who shun PETROLEUM and PARABENS which apparently are the secret ingredients... It's a shame the small business owners can't be honest about what they sell, manufacture, re-package,etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariag002

Quote:

Originally Posted by divadee62

Yall need to have my back when the Hairveda stans come for me...cause the Whipped Cream yall aint gonna like where it comes from and what is REALLY in it. Cause she isn't listing the full ingredients of the base.

Hairveda Whipped Cream 3 in 1 moisturizer
Ingredients Include: Water, Glycerin, Ricinus Communis Oil, Sweet Almond Oil. Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter),Ceteryl Alcohol, Steryl Alcohol, Sunflower Oil, Allantoin, Isopropryl Palmitate, Emulsifying wax, Germall Plus, Light Fragrance.

is really Wholesale Supplies Plus Head to Toe Lotion Base

Click here to see product

Ingredients: Water, Cetearyl Alcohol & Ceteareth-20(this is steryl alcohol), Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glyceryl Stearate (glycerin and stearic acid mix), Polysorbate 60 (emulsifier), Propylene Glycol (and) Diazolidinyl Urea (and) Methylparaben (and) Propylparaben (Germall Plus), Petrolatum, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Stearic Acid, Isopropyl Palmitate, Allantoin, Disodium EDTA, BHT, Benzophenone-4

So I'm putting body lotion and lip balm in my hair

I wish I hadn't read this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naturalista

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

curlylcp, I'm sure some people will continue to buy from these companies. Hairveda's prices are decent and at least she's consistent with her products. As far as Afroveda though, I'm sure most people will not pay $32 for a product sold wholesale for $8.

LhoreSpencer · 10-10-2010, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naturalista

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

I would think PJism is more of a massive purchase of new products to experiment with... I rarely notice PJs mixing their own (this is my thinking so please PJs don't harp on me). Then again I may be wrong.
The middle man definitely isn't necessary now with the exposure, but again, bulk product purchases aren't in a PJ's repertoire, IMO!!! Wouldn't it be a waste of money to purchase in bulk, only to purchase the next big hair craze?!?! *I don't want this to become an argument over PJs now, so please let's not take this to another level*

morenae · 10-10-2010, 11:57 AM

I'm divided on this issue.

The entrepreneurial me says, "Well, don't people spend money on bottled water when they can just get it from the tap?" Some bottled water is said have up to a 4000% markup and many times comes from the same municipal source as your kitchen water. You may get a few extra minerals and vitamins thrown in.

But the other more realistic, consumer savvy me says, "Wow! You ladies are saving me a lot of money! It's like buying the designer imitation vs. the real perfume - but better (because sometimes the imitation smells nowhere near the original). THANKS TO ALL YOU SMART WOMEN!

Now if only I could find a base for the original formula of Miss Jessie's, or an "aqueous extract...." base of KCCC - I'd be set! I'd buy a house with the savings!

afrosheenqueen · 10-10-2010, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariag002

afrosheenqueen - I am BostonMaria over at LHCF and I mentioned something similar to your comment

Quote:

Someone mentioned in the LCHF thread that it was probably because they don't order the bulk bases until they have the money from the sale so they know how much to order. Then when people ask they attribute the wait time to "making the products by hand."

The ladies over there pretty much had a freakin fit whenever people (including me) would get mad at Hairveda for sending products 4 weeks after we paid for our items. If you search the old "I'm in love with Hairveda" thread from Nov-Dec 2008 these women were e-ganging up on us LMFAO about how we have to wait, these items are hand made, we either need to have patience or buy stuff from CVS. It really turned me off and I stopped ordering from Hairveda. I did place an order in Sept and I will finally receive my products this week, exactly a month later.

I found out about the bases about 9 months ago and made a decision to just make my own stuff at home. It curbed my PJism big time. If items are really made at home I will wait, no problem. But once I found out at the reason why it would take so long is because these items needed to be placed with a warehouse first and THEN my stuff would be shipped... just doesn't sit well with me.

I didn't realize how much faith people put into these companies. You couldn't even question them? That's sad.

I take the advice from Ronald Reagan for most things: "Trust, but Verify" LOL

EllyEllyOxenFree · 10-10-2010, 12:01 PM

Wow I need to try that AloeThix base...didn't someone say that the Whipped Gelly was similar to AV Pur Whipped Gelly?

Naturalista · 10-10-2010, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naturalista

Quote:

Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

I would think PJism is more of a massive purchase of new products to experiment with... I rarely notice PJs mixing their own (this is my thinking so please PJs don't harp on me). Then again I may be wrong.
The middle man definitely isn't necessary now with the exposure, but again, bulk product purchases aren't in a PJ's repertoire, IMO!!! *I don't want this to become an argument over PJs now, so please let's not take this to another level*

Definitely don't see this as an argument, but respectfully speaking, I think you have it all wrong. PJ's buy EVERYTHING, in bulk or otherwise if it's a good deal, they tried it, like it, and wanna keep it in rotation. The perceived difference as I said before, is more the issue than the quantity.

To each their own though.

Naturalista · 10-10-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ellepixie

Wow I need to try that AloeThix base...didn't someone say that the Whipped Gelly was similar to AV Pur Whipped Gelly?

Yes it is and I would be happy to send you some to try if you want. It's a little better IMO (likely from the acrylates).