Hair Products and Their Bases - Page 13

redcelticcurls · 10-10-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

Isn't it sad how these companies have been preying on the natural hair community, and it took Afrovedagate to officially expose these suckers?!?!? But the problem is who will be willing to purchase these products substitutes in bulk (especially PJs)?! The conveniece of these shops is what continues to lure business/customers. It'll be interesting to see how long this "boycott" lasts.

Another thought,how much does Afrovedagate impact the integrity of other haircare brands that we've come to know and adore?!?! How much more will we as consumers investigate and research a product's ingredient list before we take the plunge?!?!?!

Another thought, isn't the FDA about to regulate this industry (the homemade/internet products) with tighter rules, restrictions and requirements?!?! It's about time I think especially with all this BS going on.

The General Hair board has a Co-op for EW for those who want the bases at a good price, but don't want a huge container.

Yes, there is the pending Safe Cosmetics Act of 2010. I'm all for it, but, small beauty business are petitioning against it. Some say that the labeling requirements would put them out of business. I just think some don't want to be caught marking up bases on 'homemade' lines. Other vendors feel that all-natural products should be excluded. I disagree. Natural isn't always better. People do have allergic reactions to plant based ingredients.

EllyEllyOxenFree · 10-10-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

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Originally Posted by ellepixie

Wow I need to try that AloeThix base...didn't someone say that the Whipped Gelly was similar to AV Pur Whipped Gelly?

Yes it is and I would be happy to send you some to try if you want. It's a little better IMO (likely from the acrylates).

Lay it on me, boo! (LOL you really do have everything, huh?)

Regarding the PJ thing - I agree with you, I think PJs buy things because they want their hair to look the best, and personally I get some kind of PJ high if I can get something in bulk rather than 8 oz for $12 from a "handmade" company. It's like when you get designer clothing on sale, lol!

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen

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Originally Posted by mariag002

afrosheenqueen - I am BostonMaria over at LHCF and I mentioned something similar to your comment

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Someone mentioned in the LCHF thread that it was probably because they don't order the bulk bases until they have the money from the sale so they know how much to order. Then when people ask they attribute the wait time to "making the products by hand."

The ladies over there pretty much had a freakin fit whenever people (including me) would get mad at Hairveda for sending products 4 weeks after we paid for our items. If you search the old "I'm in love with Hairveda" thread from Nov-Dec 2008 these women were e-ganging up on us LMFAO about how we have to wait, these items are hand made, we either need to have patience or buy stuff from CVS. It really turned me off and I stopped ordering from Hairveda. I did place an order in Sept and I will finally receive my products this week, exactly a month later.

I found out about the bases about 9 months ago and made a decision to just make my own stuff at home. It curbed my PJism big time. If items are really made at home I will wait, no problem. But once I found out at the reason why it would take so long is because these items needed to be placed with a warehouse first and THEN my stuff would be shipped... just doesn't sit well with me.

I didn't realize how much faith people put into these companies. You couldn't even question them? That's sad.

I take the advice from Ronald Reagan for most things: "Trust, but Verify" LOL

Read from this page forward:

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/hai...mazing-27.html from post 1043 (that's me!) and down

QVCDiva · 10-10-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

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Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

A huge part of being a PJ is perceiving that there are differences in products and that you are somehow taking your hair to the next level getting something "new", or trying something "new". The way this is going, there is no such thing as new and you just may be better off figuring out what you like, buying the base, etc and calling it a day. Why even have the middle man? Why give up the control?

Not asking you, but just sayin'.

I would think PJism is more of a massive purchase of new products to experiment with... I rarely notice PJs mixing their own (this is my thinking so please PJs don't harp on me). Then again I may be wrong.
The middle man definitely isn't necessary now with the exposure, but again, bulk product purchases aren't in a PJ's repertoire, IMO!!! *I don't want this to become an argument over PJs now, so please let's not take this to another level*

Definitely don't see this as an argument, but respectfully speaking, I think you have it all wrong. PJ's buy EVERYTHING, in bulk or otherwise if it's a good deal, they tried it, like it, and wanna keep it in rotation. The perceived difference as I said before, is more the issue than the quantity.

To each their own though.

As a reformed PJ (conditioners excluded), I have to agree with Naturalista's take on it. There's a perceived difference between products.

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ellepixie

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

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Originally Posted by ellepixie

Wow I need to try that AloeThix base...didn't someone say that the Whipped Gelly was similar to AV Pur Whipped Gelly?

Yes it is and I would be happy to send you some to try if you want. It's a little better IMO (likely from the acrylates).

Lay it on me, boo! (LOL you really do have everything, huh?)

Regarding the PJ thing - I agree with you, I think PJs buy things because they want their hair to look the best, and personally I get some kind of PJ high if I can get something in bulk rather than 8 oz for $12 from a "handmade" company. It's like when you get designer clothing on sale, lol!

Off Topic: I'm watching your Afroveda YT video on your blog. Love your curls and hair color! That's the color I want for my hair, but I'm too chicken to dye it.

LhoreSpencer · 10-10-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by QVCDiva

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

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Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

I would think PJism is more of a massive purchase of new products to experiment with... I rarely notice PJs mixing their own (this is my thinking so please PJs don't harp on me). Then again I may be wrong.
The middle man definitely isn't necessary now with the exposure, but again, bulk product purchases aren't in a PJ's repertoire, IMO!!! *I don't want this to become an argument over PJs now, so please let's not take this to another level*

Definitely don't see this as an argument, but respectfully speaking, I think you have it all wrong. PJ's buy EVERYTHING, in bulk or otherwise if it's a good deal, they tried it, like it, and wanna keep it in rotation. The perceived difference as I said before, is more the issue than the quantity.

To each their own though.

As a reformed PJ (conditioners excluded), I have to agree with Naturalista's take on it. There's a perceived difference between products.

I guess I thought it was more of a quantity issue, based on pictures I've seen. Now that I think of it, for me it was more of a search for the right products. #kanyeshrug

coilynapp · 10-10-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by divadee62

__________________________________________________ _
Hairveda SitriNillah Deep Conditioning Masque

Ingredients: Water, Coconut oil, Castor Oil, Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Steryl Alcohol, Stearakloniun Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Orange oil, Orange Extract, Vanilla Extract, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. jar.

is Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ.
Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
__________________________________________________ ____
Hairveda Moist Conditioner 24/7
Ingredients: Water Coconut oil, Hydronated Vegetable oil, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. bottle

is Also Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ. Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
__________________________________________________ ___
Hairveda Amla Shampoo

Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Aloe) Juice, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Shikakai Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Ricinus Communis (Castor) Oil, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Vitis vinifera (Grape) Extract, Bambusa glaucescens (Bamboo) Extract, Tetrasodium Edta, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Citric Acid, Frangrance.

is the Essential Wholesale Amber Sulfate-Free Shampoo Base.

Looks like she is leaving out a number of the real ingredients and of course switching the order around.

http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Am...e-Free-Shampoo
Ingredients/Tech Specs: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Edta, Citric Acid
__________________________________________________ ____
Hairveda Whipped Green Tea Butter

Ingredients include: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Fragrance. 6oz. [/font][/font]

is Crafters Choice™ Green Tea Butter Blend
Click here to see productIngredients: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil (and) Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder(and) Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil.
__________________________________________________ ______
Hairveda UrbanAroma Pur Buttercream
http://hairveda.com/UrbanAroma.aspx
Pur ButterCreme
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Organic

Is Body Butter from Majestic Mountain Sage
http://www.thesage.com/catalog/Moisturizers.html
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Cyclopentasiloxane, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG-150 Distearate, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Denotes organic material

Ok. Let's back up a little bit. There are some things here that cannot be from a base (at least if the makers are being honest about disclosing ingredients). Let's be clear, you can have two conditioners having similar ingredients without it being from a base. For example, I can make oyin's honey hemp conditioner, ingredient for ingredient. I won't have used a base. Right now, I have all the raw ingredients (with a few exceptions) for a lot of the bases being mentioned in this thread. If I make a conditioner similar to that base, I won't have used that base. Of course, it might not feel the same as said base, but you get the point.

So here with hairveda, when she is using Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate, she is using raw ingredients to make a conditioner. Just like one would use BTMS. This is not a base, rather a blend of emulsifiers and conditioner waxes that is used to make a conditioner or moisturizer. They have been blended perfectly to make a concentrate that is melted down in the heated oil phase and then mixed with water for an emulsion. Again, just like you would use BTMS (which itself is a conditioning emulsifying blend). So in this case, BJ is not using a base, rather an emulsifying and conditioning blend. I have all these ingredients and I can make a blend myself, but it is more convenient to get it all blended at once so you just measure how much you need of one ingredient, rather than 5 ingredients. I think whenever you see "concentrate", you should know that these are raw ingredients (just like butters and oils are). Also if a base includes something like lavender distilate and the company's product does not include this, unless the company is not disclosing all ingredients, they cannot be using said base because a base is already an emulsified product, you cannot remove something from a base, you can only add things to it. I think some of the hairveda stuff here is really not from a base.

When you see one ingredient list with a few ingredients, and then you are comparing to said company's product with a lot more ingredients, this cannot be from a base. You can only add a few ingredients to a base (about 5% of the total weight batch, I think I mentioned this before) and it's a perfect balance. I have never worked with bases, but I'm sure that it's more complicated than it seems. It certainly isn't made from scratch though...LOL (unless it's the maker of the base)

Just wanted to not get too carried away in this thread. Carryon

ETA: I have never used any hairveda, I'm just educating

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LhoreSpencer

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Originally Posted by QVCDiva

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Originally Posted by Naturalista

Definitely don't see this as an argument, but respectfully speaking, I think you have it all wrong. PJ's buy EVERYTHING, in bulk or otherwise if it's a good deal, they tried it, like it, and wanna keep it in rotation. The perceived difference as I said before, is more the issue than the quantity.

To each their own though.

As a reformed PJ (conditioners excluded), I have to agree with Naturalista's take on it. There's a perceived difference between products.

I guess I thought it was more of a quantity issue, based on pictures I've seen. Now that I think of it, for me it was more of a search for the right products. #kanyeshrug

As far as bases, which I've purchased before, you have to get the right one because sometimes they can be very BLAH You need to know what right amount of fragrance, oils, preservative to add or otherwise its a waste. When I first started making my own it was hit or miss. I had to throw away a few batches because I made too much and it went bad. Oh and there were times when I'd add ayurvedic oils (ex: Neem Oil) and my conditioner would smell like butt LOL no amount of fragrance could save that sucka. That might be unappealing to some people. I am a very busy person and I don't always have time to create a deep conditioner, gel, leave-in, etc.. so there are times where I have no choice but to order online.

afrosheenqueen · 10-10-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mariag002

Read from this page forward:

http://www.longhaircareforum.com/hai...mazing-27.html from post 1043 (that's me!) and down

LMAO @ "Hairveda Gangsters". They should've been on the payroll.

It's a little sad to me now to read all the comments from people excited to get these handmade products that "are worth the wait" because she's creating them from scratch and worrying about preservations issues and such.

Keenylicious · 10-10-2010, 04:54 PM

i REALLLY want some of that butter madness... but the camden grey site came up on ripoff report... hmm idk. i wonder if any other site sells it.

Charzboss · 10-10-2010, 05:00 PM

Wow! I hope Jessicurl WDT isn't a base....

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keenyme

i REALLLY want some of that butter madness... but the camden grey site came up on ripoff report... hmm idk. i wonder if any other site sells it.

Really? What did it say? I never had a problem with this vendor and I ordered from them twice.

The butter madness smells VERY good. I wish I had some to send to you guys, but I used it all up.

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Charzboss

Wow! I hope Jessicurl WDT isn't a base....

Hmmm I'm hoping IT IS so I can buy it

Keenylicious · 10-10-2010, 05:10 PM

hmm never mind. that "ripoff" was actually the customers' fault.

back to ordering my butter madness and peppermint oil!!!

Nappy_curly_crown · 10-10-2010, 07:38 PM

You took the words out of my mouth. Some of the "bases" for hairveda that are posted are not really bases but are emulsifier blends. There is a difference. Also to my knowledge hairveda has never claimed to be handmade....have they?

I'm on my iPhone so I can't go look.

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Originally Posted by coilynapp

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Originally Posted by divadee62

__________________________________________________ _
Hairveda SitriNillah Deep Conditioning Masque

Ingredients: Water, Coconut oil, Castor Oil, Cetyl Alcohol, Glycerin, Steryl Alcohol, Stearakloniun Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Orange oil, Orange Extract, Vanilla Extract, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. jar.

is Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ.
Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
__________________________________________________ ____
Hairveda Moist Conditioner 24/7
Ingredients: Water Coconut oil, Hydronated Vegetable oil, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid, Germall Plus, Fragrance. 16oz. bottle

is Also Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate with the unbolded items "added" by BJ. Click here for link to product

Ingredients: Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid
__________________________________________________ ___
Hairveda Amla Shampoo

Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Aloe) Juice, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Shikakai Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Ricinus Communis (Castor) Oil, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Vitis vinifera (Grape) Extract, Bambusa glaucescens (Bamboo) Extract, Tetrasodium Edta, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Citric Acid, Frangrance.

is the Essential Wholesale Amber Sulfate-Free Shampoo Base.

Looks like she is leaving out a number of the real ingredients and of course switching the order around.

http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Am...e-Free-Shampoo
Ingredients/Tech Specs: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Tartrate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocopolyglucoside Citrate, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Calcium d-Pantothenate (Pro-Vitamin B5), Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Wheat Proteins, Avena sativa (Oat) Extract, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Edta, Citric Acid
__________________________________________________ ____
Hairveda Whipped Green Tea Butter

Ingredients include: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Fragrance. 6oz. [/font][/font]

is Crafters Choice™ Green Tea Butter Blend
Click here to see productIngredients: Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil (and) Camellia Sinensis Leaf Powder(and) Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil.
__________________________________________________ ______
Hairveda UrbanAroma Pur Buttercream
http://hairveda.com/UrbanAroma.aspx
Pur ButterCreme
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Organic

Is Body Butter from Majestic Mountain Sage
http://www.thesage.com/catalog/Moisturizers.html
Ingredients: Water, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Cyclopentasiloxane, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea Butter), Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Glycerin, Cetyl Alcohol, Sorbitol, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil**, Linum Usitatissimum Seed Extract**, Punica Granatum Extract**, Olea Europaea Fruit Extract**, Laminaria Digitata Extract**, Morinda Citrifolia Extract**, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract**, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Macadamia Ternifolia Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Tocopheryl, Phospholipids, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbic Acid, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, DMDM Hydantoin, PEG-150 Distearate, Xanthum Gum, Disodium EDTA.
** Denotes organic material

Ok. Let's back up a little bit. There are some things here that cannot be from a base (at least if the makers are being honest about disclosing ingredients). Let's be clear, you can have two conditioners having similar ingredients without it being from a base. For example, I can make oyin's honey hemp conditioner, ingredient for ingredient. I won't have used a base. Right now, I have all the raw ingredients (with a few exceptions) for a lot of the bases being mentioned in this thread. If I make a conditioner similar to that base, I won't have used that base. Of course, it might not feel the same as said base, but you get the point.

So here with hairveda, when she is using Crafters Choice™ Hair Conditioner Concentrate, she is using raw ingredients to make a conditioner. Just like one would use BTMS. This is not a base, rather a blend of emulsifiers and conditioner waxes that is used to make a conditioner or moisturizer. They have been blended perfectly to make a concentrate that is melted down in the heated oil phase and then mixed with water for an emulsion. Again, just like you would use BTMS (which itself is a conditioning emulsifying blend). So in this case, BJ is not using a base, rather an emulsifying and conditioning blend. I have all these ingredients and I can make a blend myself, but it is more convenient to get it all blended at once so you just measure how much you need of one ingredient, rather than 5 ingredients. I think whenever you see "concentrate", you should know that these are raw ingredients (just like butters and oils are). Also if a base includes something like lavender distilate and the company's product does not include this, unless the company is not disclosing all ingredients, they cannot be using said base because a base is already an emulsified product, you cannot remove something from a base, you can only add things to it. I think some of the hairveda stuff here is really not from a base.

When you see one ingredient list with a few ingredients, and then you are comparing to said company's product with a lot more ingredients, this cannot be from a base. You can only add a few ingredients to a base (about 5% of the total weight batch, I think I mentioned this before) and it's a perfect balance. I have never worked with bases, but I'm sure that it's more complicated than it seems. It certainly isn't made from scratch though...LOL (unless it's the maker of the base)

Just wanted to not get too carried away in this thread. Carryon

ETA: I have never used any hairveda, I'm just educating

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 07:57 PM

NCC I think you're right. One of those were BMT (sp??) flakes and needs water added so that's not a base.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 08:00 PM

Not sure about Jessicurl WDT, from what I can remember during the different searches, I haven't seen anything close to the listed ingredients for WDT.

But at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if it was in fact a base.

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Originally Posted by mariag002

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Originally Posted by Charzboss

Wow! I hope Jessicurl WDT isn't a base....

Hmmm I'm hoping IT IS so I can buy it

Nappy_curly_crown · 10-10-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Charzboss

Wow! I hope Jessicurl WDT isn't a base....

I don't think so. Jess is a member here and I remember being a lurked when her stuff first came out.

But hey...anything is possible.

divadee62 · 10-10-2010, 08:06 PM

Yes Hairveda/BJ currently claims on her website that all of her products are hand-made, not pre-made *snicker* and the forumlations can't be found anywhere else etc.etc.etc.

http://hairveda.com/faq.aspx

Q:When should I expect my order to ship?

A: Expect your order to ship between 10-15 business days. Do not include weekends. We Ship 1x per week. Keep in mind that each product is made by hand and we do not have a stocked inventory of pre-made products. We do this to ensure freshness and quality. We receive large amounts of orders daily. If your order is not shipped within this time frame, please contact us.

Q: Do you really make all your products by hand?
A: Yes! We make all our products in a clean facility by hand under the strictest conditions. I wouldn't have it any other way. Many of our customers like to customize products, there's no way to get the detailed customization and love from factory machinery.

Q: How do you come up with these products? Do you resale?
A: Many of these products were originally made specifically for me and my family. Most of my ideas come from the Indian Ayurvedic method of hair care. I customize my products to suit ethnic hair. Other ideas came from customers who needed specific products to address issues. None of my products can be found for resale or drop-ship. I take great pride in the creative force behind HairVeda and the unique products we make available to you.

[quote=Nappy_curly_crown;1493563]You took the words out of my mouth. Some of the "bases" for hairveda that are posted are not really bases but are emulsifier blends. There is a difference. Also to my knowledge hairveda has never claimed to be handmade....have they?

I'm on my iPhone so I can't go look.

mariag002 · 10-10-2010, 08:08 PM