Hair Products and Their Bases

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Last edited by msjaim; 11-02-2010 at 09:54 AM. Reason: * spelling correction
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Anyone find an Aubrey Organics base *crosses fingers* ?
Originally Posted by atypicalgirl
Aubrey Organics uses a coconut fatty acid cream base that I believe is unique to their company. & its not like the other ones mentioned in the thread where its a combo of ingredients, I dont think it would do much alone. I think that base is just the coconut fatty acid cream and the ingredients they add make up the different formulas. I have their skincare stuff and they use it in that too, even the soap.
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Anyone find an Aubrey Organics base *crosses fingers* ?
Originally Posted by atypicalgirl
Aubrey Organics uses a coconut fatty acid cream base that I believe is unique to their company. & its not like the other ones mentioned in the thread where its a combo of ingredients, I dont think it would do much alone. I think that base is just the coconut fatty acid cream and the ingredients they add make up the different formulas. I have their skincare stuff and they use it in that too, even the soap.
Originally Posted by Reeky
Yeah I think the only "base" they'd use is their fatty acid cream base..

Speaking of which, you can find out what it is on their website. I suppose they have to start showing the full INCI ingredients on their products now. 'Cause the original ingredients used to be listed as:

Aubrey Organics Island Naturals Replenishing Conditioner

Ingredients: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Almond Protein; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Coconut Milk, Jojoba Butter, Organic Shea Butter, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E), Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Allspice Powder, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil

and now on the website they're listed as:


INGREDIENTS INCI: Aqua, cetyl alcohol, alcohol denat. (38b, lavender*), triticum vulgare (wheat) germ oil, hydrolyzed sweet almond protein, glycerin, aloe barbadensis (aloe) leaf juice*, pimenta acris (bay) leaf oil, pimenta dioica fruit extract, rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary) leaf oil*, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed extract, jojoba esters (jojoba butter), butyrospermum parkii (shea butter)*, cocos nucifera (coconut) fruit juice*, salvia officinalis (sage) oil*, foeniculum vulgare (fennel) fruit extract, humulus lupulus (hops) extract, melissa officinalis (balm mint) leaf extract, viscum album (mistletoe) fruit extract, chamomilla recutita (matricaria-German camomile) extract, tocopheryl acetate, hamamelis virginiana (witch hazel) water, ascorbic acid, achillea millefolium (yarrow) extract, equisetum hyemale (horsetail) extract, tussilago farfara (coltsfoot) leaf extract, glycine soja (soybean) oil, daucus carota sativa (carrot) root extract, beta carotene.
*Organic

So Aubrey Organics' "coconut fatty acid cream base" is water, cetyl alcohol, and denatured alcohol.
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Last edited by Jamtastic Voyage!; 11-05-2010 at 04:34 PM. Reason: typo!
AO lists coconut fatty acid base. The fact that they write "base" doesn't mean that they are using a base in the sense that AV was using a base for her conditioners. It probably means (and I'm guessing here) that they make this cream base and build on it in each of their products. And because they use it in all their creamy products, it's cost effective to just make a whole bunch of it for use later. Just like if you are making a ton of soap, you can premix all the oils you normally use and then just measure what you need to make each batch
Cetyl acohol is fatty alcohol derived from coconuts. The rosemary peppermint GBP whole foods exclusive edition has the full ingredients listed (i.e., no mention of coconut fact acid base, but lists cetyl alcohol)

I think AO just wanted to protect their formulation---still though, knowing ingredients doesn't tell you information about the formulation, I don't get why companies, small and large, hide ingredient information.
i googled conditioner bases and found one with decent ingredients/pricing. but then i decided to google it and see who was selling it and how much they marked up the price. check it out:

i did a minimal amount of digging (aka copy, paste, click click click!) and found that this:

Unscented Conditioner base, $8.95/16 oz

http://africaimports.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=M-431&eq=&Tp=

Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis, (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus Communis (Castor Seed) oil, stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate, (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip), Seed oil, salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) extract.
is being sold as this:

Amourai Organique Her Highness Conditioner $12/ 8 oz

http://www.luvamourai.com/HerHighness.htm

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Mentha piperita (Peppermint) Essential Oil, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Essential Oil

as well as:

Beauty & Glory Cordell's Curing Conditioner & Deep Conditioner $14.99/12 oz

http://www.beautyandglory.net/produc...and-glory.html

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil Limnanthes alba (Meadowfoam) Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Citrus sinensis (Orange) Essential Oil

and:

Pure Organics Skin Care Pure French Lavender Conditioner $22/8 oz

http://www.bodysolutionsrx.com/pure_...e_products.htm
Ingredients:
91% Organic Content

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Lavendula officinalis (Lavender) Essential Oil, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Black Willow Bark) Extract.

and!:

Zipporah Beauty Citrus Delight Conditioner (can't find price)

http://stores.zipporahbeauty.com/my-...r-journey.html

Ingredients:Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Essential Oils, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Black Willow Bark) Extract

Bee Mine Avocado Cream Balanced Conditioner $12.97/8 ozhttp://www.beemineproducts.com/products/Avocado-Cream-Balanced-Conditioner-8-oz.html

Ingredients:Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol(vegetable-based emulsifier), Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Avocado Butter, Avocado Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Panthenol (Vitamin B Complex), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Fragrance.


and many more..

note: i am in NO way saying "look at how they ripped us off, boycott them!" i'm just trying to point out cheaper base alternatives to help y'all out. scout's honour!

i'll keep lookin', it's kinda fun. i'm like nancy drew.
Originally Posted by Jamtastic Voyage!
Bee Mine Avocado Cream Balanced Conditioner $12.97/8 oz. Curlmart is now selling this condish. Are they kidding????
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i googled conditioner bases and found one with decent ingredients/pricing. but then i decided to google it and see who was selling it and how much they marked up the price. check it out:

i did a minimal amount of digging (aka copy, paste, click click click!) and found that this:

Unscented Conditioner base, $8.95/16 oz

http://africaimports.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=M-431&eq=&Tp=

Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis, (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus Communis (Castor Seed) oil, stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate, (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip), Seed oil, salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) extract.
is being sold as this:

Amourai Organique Her Highness Conditioner $12/ 8 oz

http://www.luvamourai.com/HerHighness.htm

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Mentha piperita (Peppermint) Essential Oil, Melaleuca Alternifolia (Tea Tree) Essential Oil

as well as:

Beauty & Glory Cordell's Curing Conditioner & Deep Conditioner $14.99/12 oz

http://www.beautyandglory.net/produc...and-glory.html

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil Limnanthes alba (Meadowfoam) Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Citrus sinensis (Orange) Essential Oil

and:

Pure Organics Skin Care Pure French Lavender Conditioner $22/8 oz

http://www.bodysolutionsrx.com/pure_...e_products.htm
Ingredients:
91% Organic Content

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Lavendula officinalis (Lavender) Essential Oil, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Black Willow Bark) Extract.

and!:

Zipporah Beauty Citrus Delight Conditioner (can't find price)

http://stores.zipporahbeauty.com/my-...r-journey.html

Ingredients:Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Essential Oils, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Black Willow Bark) Extract

Bee Mine Avocado Cream Balanced Conditioner $12.97/8 ozhttp://www.beemineproducts.com/products/Avocado-Cream-Balanced-Conditioner-8-oz.html

Ingredients:Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol(vegetable-based emulsifier), Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Avocado Butter, Avocado Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Panthenol (Vitamin B Complex), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Organic Black Willow Bark) Extract, Fragrance.


and many more..

note: i am in NO way saying "look at how they ripped us off, boycott them!" i'm just trying to point out cheaper base alternatives to help y'all out. scout's honour!

i'll keep lookin', it's kinda fun. i'm like nancy drew.
Originally Posted by Jamtastic Voyage!
Bee Mine Avocado Cream Balanced Conditioner $12.97/8 oz. Curlmart is now selling this condish. Are they kidding????
Originally Posted by sassywillow

I saw an email from Curl Mart advertising the Bee Mine and chuckled to myself.

It is actually EW's Lavender Conditioner Base.
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As a (struggling) recovering PJ, I and my wallet appreciate this more than I can say. I'd planned to do a tour of all product lines, in search of my HG, but it's like now, why bother?

For now, I think I'm going to stick with my occasional HR foray, and regular use of Suave TC, AOWC, OBSP, and butters, but continue to experiment with homemade styling aids. If anything comes out in the future, I'll know how to check the ingredients.

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Um, I see a whole bunch of bases, but has anyone actually made anything yet? A sista needs to know before I start trying to become Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Um, I see a whole bunch of bases, but has anyone actually made anything yet? A sista needs to know before I start trying to become Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Originally Posted by curlylcp
I still want to do an Essential Wholesale haul...but I really only plan on adding an oil I like and perhaps a fragrance oil. I'm lazy.
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I am quoting on top of this because my curser won't go to the end of the quote-wtf?

Anyways, don't forget to post what you brought, what you added and how it works!

Um, I see a whole bunch of bases, but has anyone actually made anything yet? A sista needs to know before I start trying to become Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Originally Posted by curlylcp
I still want to do an Essential Wholesale haul...but I really only plan on adding an oil I like and perhaps a fragrance oil. I'm lazy.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
I am quoting on top of this because my curser won't go to the end of the quote-wtf?

Anyways, don't forget to post what you brought, what you added and how it works!

Um, I see a whole bunch of bases, but has anyone actually made anything yet? A sista needs to know before I start trying to become Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Originally Posted by curlylcp
I still want to do an Essential Wholesale haul...but I really only plan on adding an oil I like and perhaps a fragrance oil. I'm lazy.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Originally Posted by curlylcp
Weird...mine works. Yep, I'll be sure to post but it's gonna have to be after Black Friday because I'm already giving CJ most of my money LOL.
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
YouTube

Grand Duchess Fierce Freckles, Mistress of the Mighty Snap and Doyenne of the Potent Products Pavane in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I am quoting on top of this because my curser won't go to the end of the quote-wtf?

Anyways, don't forget to post what you brought, what you added and how it works!


I still want to do an Essential Wholesale haul...but I really only plan on adding an oil I like and perhaps a fragrance oil. I'm lazy.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Originally Posted by curlylcp
Weird...mine works. Yep, I'll be sure to post but it's gonna have to be after Black Friday because I'm already giving CJ most of my money LOL.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
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Thanks for answering my question, guys! I'm bummed it's not a base I can buy.
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Has anyone found a base similar to Biolage Hydrating Balm and its more generic version, BioInfusion Hydrating Conditioning Balm (which I also hear is close to Sally's GVP)? My hair loves this conditioner, but I'm trying to avoid parabens.

I've googled quite a bit and haven't found anything, but I thought maybe someone else has. Here are the ingredients:

Water (Aqua), Myristyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Iso Decyl Oleate, Propylene Glycol, Fragrance (Parfum), Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Coumarin, Linalool, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Hydroxycitronellal, Amyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate-20, Geraniol, Algae, Algae Extract, Rosemary Extract (Rosmarinus Officinalis), Golden Seal Extract (Hydrastis Canadensis).

Thanks for any info!
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Has anyone found a base similar to Biolage Hydrating Balm and its more generic version, BioInfusion Hydrating Conditioning Balm (which I also hear is close to Sally's GVP)? My hair loves this conditioner, but I'm trying to avoid parabens.

I've googled quite a bit and haven't found anything, but I thought maybe someone else has. Here are the ingredients:

Water (Aqua), Myristyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Iso Decyl Oleate, Propylene Glycol, Fragrance (Parfum), Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Phenoxyethanol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Coumarin, Linalool, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Hydroxycitronellal, Amyl Cinnamal, Polysorbate-20, Geraniol, Algae, Algae Extract, Rosemary Extract (Rosmarinus Officinalis), Golden Seal Extract (Hydrastis Canadensis).

Thanks for any info!
Originally Posted by voluptucurl
Not all companies use bases. And it's small handmade companies that are more likely to use bases rather than giant corps. I don't think you will find a base for Biolage
Not all companies use bases. And it's small handmade companies that are more likely to use bases rather than giant corps. I don't think you will find a base for Biolage
Originally Posted by coilynapp
Thanks! I was pretty sure they're not using a base, but I'm hoping to find another base that's similarly made.
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I purchased the following creme bases from Essential Wholesale during their BF sale yesterday:

Jojoba creme
Aloe Nourishing creme
Goat Milk creme
Hair Masque conditioner
Whipped Massage Jelly (can't remember which hair vendor sold this as hair jelly-lol)
Ultimate Facial serum

My savings from the sale just paid for the shipping, which was high as hell.
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Last edited by Storm_N _Mom; 11-27-2010 at 09:10 AM.
My savings from the sale just paid for the shipping, which was high as hell.
Originally Posted by Storm_N _Mom
The shipping cost has prevented me from buying from essentialwholesale.com. Their BF sale was pretty wack to me. I am going to hold off and see if they have a better Christmas sale.

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Anyone find an Aubrey Organics base *crosses fingers* ?
Originally Posted by atypicalgirl

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!
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