Hair Products and Their Bases

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NaturallyCJ, It's possible but I doubt it. She claims that there are not preservatives or fillers in any of her products but that's not true statement either. For me if a business misrepresents one aspect of their business, I personally find it hard to trust any aspect of their business. For the record she only has 3 "mixed ingredients" products (the scrub, the body butter, pumpkin mask) and two of three are definitely EW bases. It's possible that she is getting her organic shea butter from EW as well, I'm sure they would give a volume discount considering the money she is spending with them to keep up with retail sales. *shrug*

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Last edited by divadee62; 11-30-2011 at 01:58 PM.
NaturallyCJ, It's possible but I doubt it. She claims that there are not preservatives or fillers in any of her products but that's not true statement either. For me if a business misrepresents one aspect of their business, I personally find it hard to trust any aspect of their business. For the record she only has 3 "mixed ingredients" products (the scrub, the body butter, pumpkin mask) and two of three are definitely EW bases. It's possible that she is getting her organic shea butter from EW as well, I'm sure they would give a volume discount considering the money she is spending with them to keep up with retail sales. *shrug*
Originally Posted by divadee62
Well if she says there are no preservatives then thats not accurate because phenoxyethanol is a preservative (even though she misspelled it on her listing). I will give her the benefit of the doubt and say she's just ignorant to the fact that phenoxeyethanol is a preservative and for that very reason i would never purchase her products. Ima need you to know whats in your stuff and what purpose it serves whether its a base or not. I personally dont think her cocnut complextion is a base. I looks like a simple sugar scrub to me that anyone could make. Maybe it is a base and she's just lying about the ingredients but i will give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Have any of you ladies found a base that is glycerin free for leave in? I'm looking for a base that I can use when the dew points are high.
Fair play to you guys. Thanks for opening my eyes. It's been really interesting reading all this. Thx Elle for raising the issue initially
Hey, I know this request is a little "out there", but someone please tell me you know where I can purchase the base used for Aubrey Organic's Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner. I think they call it a Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base. Does it exist anywhere outside of Aubrey's???
Hey, I know this request is a little "out there", but someone please tell me you know where I can purchase the base used for Aubrey Organic's Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner. I think they call it a Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base. Does it exist anywhere outside of Aubrey's???
Originally Posted by 1dbennet
From AO's site - COCONUT FATTY ACID CREAM BASE — Absorption base containing essential fatty acids, coconut fatty alcohols from palm kernels, aloe vera and vitamins A, C and E. Rich in linoleic and linolenic acids (vitamin F), excellent nutrients and skin conditioners. In hair care products, it is often combined with the important amino acids cysteine and methionine, which are high in sulfur and excellent for the hair and scalp.

I think that is just their nickname for their cetearyl alcohol mix.
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Is there a such thing as a base that's both glycerin and shea butter free? It might me like finding a needle in a haystack and its hard to find finished products that don't have those two ingredients in it...
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i REALLLY want some of that butter madness... but the camden grey site came up on ripoff report... hmm idk. i wonder if any other site sells it.
Originally Posted by keenyme
Really? What did it say? I never had a problem with this vendor and I ordered from them twice.

The butter madness smells VERY good. I wish I had some to send to you guys, but I used it all up.
Originally Posted by mariag002
hmm never mind. that "ripoff" was actually the customers' fault.

back to ordering my butter madness and peppermint oil!!!
Originally Posted by keenylicious

They have had other issues, mostly customer service problems: mostly rudeness, and 'tudes from the owner and employees. A Bad Experience With Camden-Grey Essential Oils - Comments and experiences are at the bottom of the post.

I know this is old but...
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Huetiful Steamer Hair products are Essential Wholesale bases. Again I almost fell for it... Highly unlikely that there is actually Moringa Oil in either of bases they are repackaging just based on their retail selling price and the wholesale price of Moringa Oil alone.

Huetiful Conditioner AND Huetiful Intense Hydrating Hair Masque

Listed Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Moringa oliefiera (Moringa) Oil, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Phenoxyethanol, Mentha piperita (Peppermint) Essential Oil, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5)

is actually

Essential Wholesale Hair Masque
http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Hair-Masque
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Huetiful Sulfate Free Cleansing Shampoo

Listed Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

is actually Essential Wholesale's Basic Clear Sulfate Free Shampoo


And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
Huetiful Steamer Hair products are Essential Wholesale bases. Again I almost fell for it... Highly unlikely that there is actually Moringa Oil in either of bases they are repackaging just based on their retail selling price and the wholesale price of Moringa Oil alone.

Huetiful Conditioner AND Huetiful Intense Hydrating Hair Masque

Listed Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Moringa oliefiera (Moringa) Oil, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil, Phenoxyethanol, Mentha piperita (Peppermint) Essential Oil, Hydrolized Wheat, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5)

is actually

Essential Wholesale Hair Masque
http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Hair-Masque
_______________________________________________

Huetiful Sulfate Free Cleansing Shampoo

Listed Ingredients: Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

is actually Essential Wholesale's Basic Clear Sulfate Free Shampoo

Originally Posted by divadee62
I wonder if this is right, this is the list for the EW base:

Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, dl-Panthenol (Pro-Vitamin B5), Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Cocos nucifera (Coconut RBD) Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Limmnanthes alba (Meadowfoam) Oil (Refined)

The base has glycerin...I wonder if they instead are getting private label bases and tweaking them a little bit. I would think that they should mention glycerin is in the product if it really is the base.
CurlyElectra,

Call me jaded. So many of these companies are buying the bases and fudging the ingredients list in a misguided attempt to prevent customers from knowing the truth. History tells me that their ingredient list has been tweaked to promote sales and prevent being called out for using bases.

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
CurlyElectra,

Call me jaded. So many of these companies are buying the bases and fudging the ingredients list in a misguided attempt to prevent customers from knowing the truth. History tells me that their ingredient list has been tweaked to promote sales and prevent being called out for using bases.
Originally Posted by divadee62
I see what you're saying, but you have no proof whatsoever. Just a "hunch" that companies are keeping ingredients out because they don't want people to find out they are using bases. Also, I can't find anyplace on the Huetiful site that says their products are made from scratch. They just say they "formulated" it, which would be different than making something from scratch. I don't think it's really fair to just post things without doing a little more digging unless the ingredients lists are identical. Or, like with AfroVeda...when Mala basically used the exact same description as EW on her site. Which was hilarious...
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CurlyElectra you are certainly entitled to your opinion but that's the beauty of this thread...it's for people to draw their own conclusions based on what is presented. I drew mine and you drew yours.

This entire thread is based on speculation as we don't have an admission from any company that yes they are simply buying bases from EW, WSP, ITDF. If it quacks like a duck...*kanyeshrug*

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
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Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
If there are two identical ingredients lists (like, an exact list with fragrance at the end), I think that one can draw the conclusion that the products are the same. However, the ingredients lists you posted were not the same. That's a little different. You also accused them of blatantly lying to customers by leaving out ingredients...most of the ingredients lists in here highlight ALL of the ingredients of a base, with some other stuff added by the company. That's also different than leaving things out, especially an ingredient like glycerin that many naturals find to be dew dependent.

Also, from the beginning of the thread, posters have stated that using a base in itself is not wrong.

And yes, Mala never admitted to using bases, but when it was "speculated," she changed her descriptions and removed her ingredients lists. IMO, that's pretty guilty.

You seem defensive about my post, and it's not necessary - I'm not even saying you are wrong in your conclusion. I just think that you should try to do some more research (like contacting the company), before coming in this thread with the tone that you had in presenting your information, especially because they never claimed to make it in the first place, so maybe they'll just tell you. Perhaps next time you should just post the ingredients and let people compare for themselves (like a lot of people do in here) rather than rant about a company who didn't even claim to make their own stuff.

**No, I don't have a Huetiful steamer, and no, I have never bought their products. I just think that this thread is valuable and I wouldn't want people to discredit it.**

Oh, and there was a company that admitted to not making all of their products. Zipporah did that I believe, and she even changed the About section of her site after the products were compared on this site.

Last edited by CurlyElectra; 12-18-2011 at 08:58 PM.
CurlyElectra,

The great thing about this thread is that everyone is free to post their findings and everyone is free to come to their own conclusions.

You came in the thread accusing me of "doing wrong" by posting what I found and the conclusions that I've drawn. As with everyone in this thread, there is going to be disagreements as to what information is presented and how that information is interpreted. This much is clear even within our own dialogue.

You seem to have gotten a bug in your britches about my posts. Que Sera Sera. Not the first time this has happened in the history of message boards and it won't be the last. Neither of us will hold the patent on that, but thankfully I can say NC is alot less mean spirited regarding disagreements than other boards.

As for Zipporah, ironic that you brought her up given that it was my post in the original thread which brought her out of the woodworks. She lied then, violated NC's posting rules and people caped for her. *kanyeshrug* More power to them because Lawd knows I've caped for a business or product that I loved.

You've brought up some good points, just like everyone else in this ongoing thread. Your points however aren't going to stop me from posting my findings, posting my opinions on those findings, or make me retract any statement. If that is what you are getting at...

If NC finds my posts inaccurate, misleading, sladerous, etc...I'm sure they can and will step in to moderate my posts.

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11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
You can post whatever you want, and people are free to disagree with you. It's not that serious. Moving on...

Oh, and never once did I say you were wrong - in fact, I said in my previous post that your conclusion may not be wrong. Don't put words in my fingers. Thanks.
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Last edited by CurlyElectra; 12-19-2011 at 09:25 PM.
Just to throw something out there...

Essential Wholesale also provides formulation services as well as manufactoring and private label services. The ingredient lists between Heutiful and the generic EW base are close, but I think the more locgical explanation is that Heutiful contracted with EW to make certain tweaks to the generic base to create a personalized formula for them to sale/market as a private label product...which isn't quite the same thing as using a base.

I think for a lot of products where the ingredient list is very similar to a companies base, they are most likely using the private label services of the company to customize the base to thier specs/request.
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Just to throw something out there...

Essential Wholesale also provides formulation services as well as manufactoring and private label services. The ingredient lists between Heutiful and the generic EW base are close, but I think the more locgical explanation is that Heutiful contracted with EW to make certain tweaks to the generic base to create a personalized formula for them to sale/market as a private label product...which isn't quite the same thing as using a base.

I think for a lot of products where the ingredient list is very similar to a companies base, they are most likely using the private label services of the company to customize the base to thier specs/request.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Thank you! That is what I was wondering about up thread in my first response. Not sure why my comment was blown out of proportion.
i REALLLY want some of that butter madness... but the camden grey site came up on ripoff report... hmm idk. i wonder if any other site sells it.
Originally Posted by keenyme
Really? What did it say? I never had a problem with this vendor and I ordered from them twice.

The butter madness smells VERY good. I wish I had some to send to you guys, but I used it all up.
Originally Posted by mariag002
hmm never mind. that "ripoff" was actually the customers' fault.

back to ordering my butter madness and peppermint oil!!!
Originally Posted by keenylicious

They have had other issues, mostly customer service problems: mostly rudeness, and 'tudes from the owner and employees. A Bad Experience With Camden-Grey Essential Oils - Comments and experiences are at the bottom of the post.

I know this is old but...
Originally Posted by greenandchic
i actually remember reading abot bad CS. maybe that's why i never got around to ordering that butter madness.

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