Hair Products and Their Bases

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I in general think that's the problem with buying some of these "homemade" sort of products. You really can be dealing with all types of contamination and non-disclosure issues. While we all want to feel like we're supporting the small business owners out there, there is something to be said about the strict regulations that true cosmetic manufacturing facilities are held to and actual product companies.

The FDA definitely regulates cosmetic labeling: Cosmetic Labeling Guide
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Dang. I'm gonna need to school myself on these emulsifiers so I can spot when they're suspiciously missing.
My hair is in the 4s, low in porosity, high in density and coarse.

Love: QB - all of it, Bobeam - shampoo bars, Darcy's Botanicals - Pumpkin Seed Conditioner, Coconut Cupuacu Pomade, KBN - Shealoe Leave-in, Oyin - Juices & Berries, Kinky Curly - Knot Today, Ayurvedic treatments, my Denman and the cloud of kinky goodness on my head that I get to play with!
I know who WILL be buying that spray detangler from Essential Wholesale and adding my own fragrance oil to it! Yes sir


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Found another base that Brendita's Body Works uses.

Essential Wholesale Silk Lotion 16oz $8.70
Silk Lotion

87% organic ingredients

Ingredients:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Rosa damascena (Rose) Distillate, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Silk, Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid



Brendita's Body Works Silk Sheets 8oz $12.00
Phat Head Silk Sheets Styling Lotion

87% organic ingredients

Ingredients:
Organic Aloe Juice, Rose Distillate, Organic Rose Distillate, Organic Coconut Oil, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Avocado Oil, Vitamin E, Hydrolized Silk, Organic Castor Seed Oil, Organic Avocado Oil, Wheat Protein, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Lecithin, Lactic Acid, Citric Acid

Wow. And its sold as a body lotion at Essential Wholesale. My hair sho likes it!
3c/4a Natural
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Found another base that Brendita's Body Works uses.

Essential Wholesale Silk Lotion 16oz $8.70
Silk Lotion


Ingredients:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Rosa damascena (Rose) Distillate, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Silk, Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid



Brendita's Body Works Silk Sheets 8oz $12.00
Phat Head Silk Sheets Styling Lotion

87% organic ingredients

Ingredients:
Organic Aloe Juice, Rose Distillate, Organic Rose Distillate, Organic Coconut Oil, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Avocado Oil, Vitamin E, Hydrolized Silk, Organic Castor Seed Oil, Organic Avocado Oil, Wheat Protein, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Lecithin, Lactic Acid, Citric Acid
Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
I don't get it. These are two different ingredients listings.
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Found another base that Brendita's Body Works uses.

Essential Wholesale Silk Lotion 16oz $8.70
Silk Lotion


Ingredients:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Rosa damascena (Rose) Distillate, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Vegetable Glycerin, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Hydrolized Silk, Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid



Brendita's Body Works Silk Sheets 8oz $12.00
Phat Head Silk Sheets Styling Lotion

87% organic ingredients

Ingredients:
Organic Aloe Juice, Rose Distillate, Organic Rose Distillate, Organic Coconut Oil, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Avocado Oil, Vitamin E, Hydrolized Silk, Organic Castor Seed Oil, Organic Avocado Oil, Wheat Protein, Distearyldimonium Chloride, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Lecithin, Lactic Acid, Citric Acid
Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
I don't get it. These are two different ingredients listings.
Originally Posted by miranda banana
Yes, I def jumped the gun on the Silk Sheets. Got too hyper about finding stuff I could buy a ton of for cheap and adding my own scent. I believe both of them indicate '87% organic ingredients' and that caught me. My hair LOVES the Brendita's No Knots and Silk Sheets for sure.
3c/4a Natural
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[QUOTE=AllieCat0817;1882423][QUOTE=miranda banana;1881637]
Yes, I def jumped the gun on the Silk Sheets. Got too hyper about finding stuff I could buy a ton of for cheap and adding my own scent. I believe both of them indicate '87% organic ingredients' and that caught me. My hair LOVES the Brendita's No Knots and Silk Sheets for sure.
Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
I guess it would be easy to jump the gun with a post like this. There is a slight mob mentality. no offense to any one. I only use products from my salon (Ouidad) so I can't weigh in on the actual subject.

But, my 17 yr old daughter has been experimenting with mixing her own hair products for almost 2 years and she has done really well. Our basement workshop was converted into a science lab when she started. She was inspired by a young girl she saw on Oprah, who made her own body creams.

She has duplicated MANY pricey hair concoctions by mixing the ingredeints she found on the label. We call her stuff 'Maura's Take' cuz its her take on something else. Shes got a natural talent! She hasn't been able to make any shampoos, but from what she's read, those are the most difficult. She definitely hasn't been able to re-do any of Ouidad's products...
So glad I came across this thread. It's only been since I stopped blowdrying and flat-ironing my hair that I've paid any real attention to any products I use on my hair. But even with that, it was only a couple of days ago that I learned anything about bases. !! (Pretty sad, huh?)

Being an informed consumer is always a good thing. So...back to the page I was on to continue reading!
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
Yes VERY informative! Some things I thought I found a base for, I realize it wasnt the same product after purchasing the base. But the base I got can be used for another purpose- still good stuff I can scent myself.

Another base that I bought does appear to be the exact same as what I thought it was and Im SO GLAD I found it!! I just added my own scent and bam, there it is.

Keeping up with this thread.


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Yes VERY informative! Some things I thought I found a base for, I realize it wasnt the same product after purchasing the base. But the base I got can be used for another purpose- still good stuff I can scent myself.

Another base that I bought does appear to be the exact same as what I thought it was and Im SO GLAD I found it!! I just added my own scent and bam, there it is.

Keeping up with this thread.


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Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
DO you mind sharing which products were a match and which were not?
Currently using:

Poo: CON Sulfate Free poo
Rinse out: Tresemme Naturals
Leave-in: CJAOO Daily Cond
Styler: KCCC sparingly and Ampro Olive Oil Gel where needed
DT: KBB Lucious Locks Mask + EVOO/Avocado
For a while now (well before I ever heard of a base), I've sometimes added silk amino acids to inexpensive conditioners to do DCs, and the results have been great! My hair comes out SO soft! I'm not a mixtress or chemist -- I just educate myself a little, do a little math, experiment some, and stick with what works for my hair. I'm just wondering why, in most of the discussion I've been reading here about bases, is it that only fragrances and oils are what most people are saying they add to their bases.

I'm ordering Organicals Deep Conditioning Creme, and the first thing I'm planning to do when it gets here is to add a little SAA and do a DC.

Did I miss something about why you shouldn't add certain ingredients to bases? The percentage of SAA that I'd add doesn't seem like it would be enough to ruin the consistency.

Oh well...Feel free to enlighten me.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
Yes VERY informative! Some things I thought I found a base for, I realize it wasnt the same product after purchasing the base. But the base I got can be used for another purpose- still good stuff I can scent myself.

Another base that I bought does appear to be the exact same as what I thought it was and Im SO GLAD I found it!! I just added my own scent and bam, there it is.

Keeping up with this thread.


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Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
DO you mind sharing which products were a match and which were not?
Originally Posted by keepitmovin
I will say that for me, the Essential Wholesale Leave in Detangler Spray Leave-in Detangler Spray gives me the same results as Brendita's No Knots Leave In Moisturizing Mist. It also smells exactly the same to me. The ingredients are also almost exactly the same with the exception of I think one ingredient. I don't use it as a detangler, I use it to re-wet my hair on day 2, 3, 4, 5 etc on a wash n go. After I spray it, I notice that my hair is shiny and has really nice definition and feels really nice. Works fabulous on a puff as well for that same reason.. I will be purchasing this from Essential Wholesale from now on.

I also like Brendita's Silk Sheets (hair lotion) alot. I thought the Essential Wholesale Silk Lotion was the same, but it doesn't appear to be. The only thing I'm willing to tinker with on a base is adding fragrance. I will use the EW Silk Lotion as a body lotion that I add my own scent to.. may try it on my hair too.

I'm just GLAD I found the EW Leave In Detangler Spray, because I use it EVERYYYY day and it's been going real fast. It smells good on its own without even adding scent.. although I did add scent anyway. Love it.
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Yes VERY informative! Some things I thought I found a base for, I realize it wasnt the same product after purchasing the base. But the base I got can be used for another purpose- still good stuff I can scent myself.

Another base that I bought does appear to be the exact same as what I thought it was and Im SO GLAD I found it!! I just added my own scent and bam, there it is.

Keeping up with this thread.


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Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
DO you mind sharing which products were a match and which were not?
Originally Posted by keepitmovin
I will say that for me, the Essential Wholesale Leave in Detangler Spray Leave-in Detangler Spray gives me the same results as Brendita's No Knots Leave In Moisturizing Mist. It also smells exactly the same to me. The ingredients are also almost exactly the same with the exception of I think one ingredient. I don't use it as a detangler, I use it to re-wet my hair on day 2, 3, 4, 5 etc on a wash n go. After I spray it, I notice that my hair is shiny and has really nice definition and feels really nice. Works fabulous on a puff as well for that same reason.. I will be purchasing this from Essential Wholesale from now on.

I also like Brendita's Silk Sheets (hair lotion) alot. I thought the Essential Wholesale Silk Lotion was the same, but it doesn't appear to be. The only thing I'm willing to tinker with on a base is adding fragrance. I will use the EW Silk Lotion as a body lotion that I add my own scent to.. may try it on my hair too.

I'm just GLAD I found the EW Leave In Detangler Spray, because I use it EVERYYYY day and it's been going real fast. It smells good on its own without even adding scent.. although I did add scent anyway. Love it.
Originally Posted by AllieCat0817
Do you do add anything to it? water? avj? its so creamy... Does it spread well when u put it in spray bottle?


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The EW spray detangler is a liquid. Watery. I add some scent.

The EW silk lotion is thick and creamy and I havent used it yet. But I will use it as a body lotion probably.


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For a while now (well before I ever heard of a base), I've sometimes added silk amino acids to inexpensive conditioners to do DCs, and the results have been great! My hair comes out SO soft! I'm not a mixtress or chemist -- I just educate myself a little, do a little math, experiment some, and stick with what works for my hair. I'm just wondering why, in most of the discussion I've been reading here about bases, is it that only fragrances and oils are what most people are saying they add to their bases.

I'm ordering Organicals Deep Conditioning Creme, and the first thing I'm planning to do when it gets here is to add a little SAA and do a DC.

Did I miss something about why you shouldn't add certain ingredients to bases? The percentage of SAA that I'd add doesn't seem like it would be enough to ruin the consistency.

Oh well...Feel free to enlighten me.
Originally Posted by Devushka
I only add FO because I'm lazy and imo, the Organicals DC doesn't need anything else. It's also very thick, so I don't think adding a bit of SAA would ruin the consistency. Have fun experimenting!
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I got my Organicals DC Cream, and it seems like a really good quality conditioner base -- *lots* of slip and very moisturizing. It's pretty thick, so I was able to add two fragrance oils (to make a kind of cafe latte scent) plus add some honeyquat without affecting the consistency at all. My hair feels great, and I've gotten two compliments on the scent. Planning to experiment mixing in other additives in small batches.

Definitely keeping this base in my rotation of products and will check out more bases as well.

For a while now (well before I ever heard of a base), I've sometimes added silk amino acids to inexpensive conditioners to do DCs, and the results have been great! My hair comes out SO soft! I'm not a mixtress or chemist -- I just educate myself a little, do a little math, experiment some, and stick with what works for my hair. I'm just wondering why, in most of the discussion I've been reading here about bases, is it that only fragrances and oils are what most people are saying they add to their bases.

I'm ordering Organicals Deep Conditioning Creme, and the first thing I'm planning to do when it gets here is to add a little SAA and do a DC.

Did I miss something about why you shouldn't add certain ingredients to bases? The percentage of SAA that I'd add doesn't seem like it would be enough to ruin the consistency.

Oh well...Feel free to enlighten me.
Originally Posted by Devushka


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3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
Does the fact that the Organicals DC has glycerin in it affect anyone when they use it for a DC?
Does the fact that the Organicals DC has glycerin in it affect anyone when they use it for a DC?
Originally Posted by Chantayy
I haven't been using the Organicals DC for long at all, but so far I've only taken dew points into consideration when using it because of the glycerin (as I would with other products with humectants). However, I haven't found that my hair is particularly sensitive to glycerin in general.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair
Anyone ever heard of naturalee hair products?
Btw, I did that Cool & Seal DC technique using Organicals DC base as both the DC (added fragrance oils and SAA to it just because my hair really likes SAA) and as the diluted conditioner rinse after my hair cooled, and my hair feels great! Soft and moisturized.

This Organicals base is proving to be very multi-functional -- I've co-wash, DC, RO, and LI with it with great results.
3b / Fine / Low (to Med) Density / Normal Porosity & Elasticity

Currently Using [*Holy Grails*]
Cleansers: DC No-Poo / DC Low-Poo / *BaSo & ACV*
Co-Washes/ROs: CJ Beauticurls Argan & OO / DC OneC / Organicals DC Creme
Additives: *Silk Amino Acids* / Honeyquat / Fragrance Oils
LIs (found some!): KCKT / CJ Beauticurls LI / CJ Curl Assurance Smoothing Daily Condish
DTs: *Coconut Oil* rinses / *Honey*, EVOO, & DC OneC / CJ Curl Rehab
Sealer: *DM Super Buttercreme*

Goal: APL Hair

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