Hair Products and Their Bases

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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']These obstacles are all interconnected and interrelated. Employees cannot be hired so long as production is performed in the family’s kitchen. No specialty equipment can be incorporated into the kitchen without causing an inconvenience to the remaining family members or without adding setup/teardown hours to the production process. [/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Moreover, Mala does not have the time to reorganize her home or to purchase specialty equipment while working two full time jobs. Most entrepreneurs hold two jobs whilst proving the merit of their new product/company and simultaneously meet the demands of both roles. Eventually, those entrepreneurs resign their post at the first job to engage themselves completely on the task of the new product/company. But Mala has arrived at a point where the company has grown beyond the ability to operate successfully on a few hours between lunch break and before bedtime.[/font]
Originally Posted by shawnyblazes
And she should have planned for this. LOTS of women start business and work full time and know that if successful, there will come a point at which they will have to make a decision. Most people just quit their FT job.

It all comes down to better planning. Her product has been inconsistent since she began to grow and then she added more lines unnecessarily (that didn't sell). Soooo, she made her bed and now she must lie in it
Originally Posted by coilynapp
Precisely. Unfortunately, too many small businesses must learn this the hard way.
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I know Mala's bout ready to spit nails at us....
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I know Mala's bout ready to spit nails at us....
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
you know that's right
I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this but....I ain't mad...
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
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I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this but....I ain't mad...
Originally Posted by ellepixie

This thread could help a lot of women who are thinking of starting their own hair care line, sell products, etc.

I think this thread is great.

Research, research and more research.

AND out of the afroveda report.. this is what stood out to me:

Therefore, it is vital to allot a dollar amount/pay amount to the number of hours that are invested into the company’s operations. This will assist in determining if the company can afford to hire staff in the near future, let alone pay for even one sole employee – the founder.With analysis of the current profit margins and the upcoming expenses, it may be concluded that the retail price of the products must be raised in order to fund expansion.

And:

At the time thatthe demand for AfroVeda reaches a level where once again capacity at the residence falls short to meet it, the following second step is suggested to sustain growth of the product line.
· Refine and record production recipes/procedures.
· Relocate into a small commercial space.
· Recruit and employee staff.
And they can be mad...when you come with this sob story:

I began making my own skincare products because I couldn't find any that performed the way I needed and wanted them to. I was disappointed when I paid for something that promised all day moisture and didn't deliver. Aside from my own needs and of even greater concern to me was my son's skin. He has had a mild case of recurring eczema since he was a toddler. For years, he suffered with dry skin that was thirsty for gentle, long-lasting moisture. I was unable to find anything that could deliver essential moisture for both of us, so the quest to create the perfect body lotion began. I read and researched everything I could find on organic, plant based skin care.

I began experimenting with various ingredients and finally, created my own line of natural, organic skin care products, which I now present to you. My formerly dry skin has responded exceedingly well to the daily use of my exfoliating scrubs, bath milks, nourishing sea salts and body creams. I am most thrilled to announce that my son's skin is now healthy and vibrant! Our knowledgeable dermatologist advised us that the best way to treat and manage eczema is to keep the skin properly and thoroughly moisturized. His eczema is in remission and completely under control: he keeps it moisturized with "Mommy's stuff". Treating my adult acne: organic alternatives that made a difference. I met my dermatologist when I was seeking treatment for adult onset acne.

And you sell this: Phat Head Coconut Pudding with Silk Protein for $8 for 6oz

Ingredients
Organic Aloe Juice, Organic Coconut Oil, Emulsifying Wax, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Grapeseed Oil, Organic Avocado Oil, Organic Witch Hazel, Vitamin E, Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum, Organic Black Willowbark Extract, Neem Oil, Rosemary Oleoresin, Citric Acid

Then we find this: EW Silk Creme 16oz for $11.15
Ingredients/Tech Specs:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Persea americana (Avocado) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Salix nigra (Organic Black Willowbark) Extract, Mannan, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

Just sayin.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
This is terrible.
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HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

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someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.
Originally Posted by divadee62
**DEAD** at this post...you saw that after she posted she went on her site and changed the "About Us" section too...
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
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someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.
Originally Posted by divadee62
Elle I saw that mess. But the fact is she is still lying. She removed from her "handmade" ingredient lists a few tell tell signs of the EW base and then switched the order of the ingredients for all three of those so-called handmade products.

She removes the EDTA from her ingredient list but it is clearly listed in the base that she uses. That's down right unethical. And saying that the bases she buys from EW are Organic and Cruelty free? hmmm no boo they aren't. lol

someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.
Originally Posted by divadee62
**DEAD** at this post...you saw that after she posted she went on her site and changed the "About Us" section too...
Originally Posted by ellepixie

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
*wall slide* I swear your gifs are gonna get me in sooo much trouble. I was laughing ALL DAY At work reading the Afroveda Foolishness and Mayhem thread...because of your gifs!

someone started this thread. I've been pissed for almost 24 hours after that heffa came up in the Zippah (sp?) Beauty thread talking bout she makes 3 of her products. Nah homey...you buying all your bases at EW . Just cause you cut and paste and edit the ingredient list don't mean you handmade it....even if you used your HANDS and MADE that bogus a*& ingredient list.
Originally Posted by divadee62
Originally Posted by shawnyblazes

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
Elle I saw that mess. But the fact is she is still lying. She removed from her "handmade" ingredient lists a few tell tell signs of the EW base and then switched the order of the ingredients for all three of those so-called handmade products.

She removes the EDTA from her ingredient list but it is clearly listed in the base that she uses. That's down right unethical. And saying that the bases she buys from EW are Organic and Cruelty free? hmmm no boo they aren't. lol
Originally Posted by divadee62
LOL...well link her stuff to the bases in here! That's what the thread is for!
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
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Don't threaten me with a good time... lol be right back.
Elle I saw that mess. But the fact is she is still lying. She removed from her "handmade" ingredient lists a few tell tell signs of the EW base and then switched the order of the ingredients for all three of those so-called handmade products.

She removes the EDTA from her ingredient list but it is clearly listed in the base that she uses. That's down right unethical. And saying that the bases she buys from EW are Organic and Cruelty free? hmmm no boo they aren't. lol
Originally Posted by divadee62
LOL...well link her stuff to the bases in here! That's what the thread is for!
Originally Posted by ellepixie

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
LOLZ I love this site....**Elle starts krumping in thread**

GIFSoup

Don't threaten me with a good time... lol be right back.
Elle I saw that mess. But the fact is she is still lying. She removed from her "handmade" ingredient lists a few tell tell signs of the EW base and then switched the order of the ingredients for all three of those so-called handmade products.

She removes the EDTA from her ingredient list but it is clearly listed in the base that she uses. That's down right unethical. And saying that the bases she buys from EW are Organic and Cruelty free? hmmm no boo they aren't. lol
Originally Posted by divadee62
LOL...well link her stuff to the bases in here! That's what the thread is for!
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Originally Posted by divadee62
BC'ed: 26 Dec 09
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Essential Wholesale Citrus Lotion:
Ingredients/Tech Specs:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Rosa damascena (Rose) Distillate, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Emulsifying Wax NF, Stearic Acid, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Essential Oils, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Salix nigra (Black Willowbark) Extract, Mannan, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid
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Green Tea Hair & Body Butter: Ingredients: Organic Unrefined Shea Butter, Coconut Oil, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Unrefined Cocoa Butter,Grapeseed Oil, Meadowfoam Oil, Fractionated Coconut Oil, Jojoba Oil, Avocado Oil, Vitamin E, Organic Green Tea Extract , Rosemary Oleoresin, Neem , Black Willow Bark Extract,Essential Oil

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Citrus Delight Conditioner: Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Organic Lavender Distillate, Organic Roman Chamomile Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Castor Seed Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Essential Oils, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, Panthenol Vitamin B5, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosehip Seed Oil, Black Willow Bark Extract

Essential Wholesale Citrus Conditioner:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Lavendula angustifolia (Organic Lavender) Distillate, Anthemis nobilis (Organic Roman Chamomile) Distillate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ricinus communis (Castor Seed) Oil, Stearalkonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Essential Oils, Hydrolized Wheat Protein, d-Calcium Pantothenate (Panthenol Vitamin B5), Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Rosa mosqueta (Rosehip) Seed Oil, Salix nigra (Black Willow Bark) Extract
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And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
ZB Leave in Conditioner: Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Grapeseed Oil, Meadowfoam Oil, Avocado Oil,Organic Coconut Oil, Jojoba Oil,Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Unrefined Cocoa Butter, Vitamin E, Witch Hazel, Essential Oils, Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum , Organic Black Willowbark Extract, Mannan, Neem Oil, Rosemary Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

Essential Wholesale Silk Cream:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Persea americana (Avocado) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Salix nigra (Organic Black Willowbark) Extract, Mannan, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

And so it began...Relaxer-free since 2003
Naturally OUT since Sept. 21, 2008
Products in current rotation:
Terressentials Left Coast Lemon, Oyin Honey Dew,Hairveda Cocoshasta Oil,Darcy's Botanicals MVSC
11/20/11 Currently testing out Living Proof's RESTORE Deep Conditioner.
ZB Leave in Conditioner: Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Grapeseed Oil, Meadowfoam Oil, Avocado Oil,Organic Coconut Oil, Jojoba Oil,Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Unrefined Cocoa Butter, Vitamin E, Witch Hazel, Essential Oils, Phenoxyethanol, Xanthan Gum , Organic Black Willowbark Extract, Mannan, Neem Oil, Rosemary Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid

Essential Wholesale Silk Cream:
Aloe barbadensis (Organic Aloe) Juice, Cocos nucifera (Organic Coconut) Oil, Emulsifying Wax NF, Palm Stearic Acid, Kosher Vegetable Glycerin, Simmondsia chinensis (Jojoba) Oil, Vitis vinifera (Grapeseed) Oil, Persea americana (Avocado) Oil, Hamamelis virginiana (Witch Hazel), Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Phenoxyethanol, Hydrolyzed Silk, Xanthan Gum (Polysaccharide Gum), Salix nigra (Organic Black Willowbark) Extract, Mannan, Azadirachta indica (Neem) Oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary) Oleoresin, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid
Originally Posted by divadee62
Damn, all of that is base!
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Just to sum up and clarify on the AV conditioners because several bases were found and I made an error on 2 of the conditioners.

- Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, & Neem - If you like these you can use this: http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

- Ashlii Amala Red Rasberry Mask has a base that can be found on the EW site. http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107069/.f

- If you like the The Tea Tree and Lemon, Ylang, CinnaMint, B.A.R.E, and possibly the Ananda (???) conditioners, you can use these bases: http://www.bulkskincare.com/Bulk-Tea...-p/741gcot.htm

http://www.bulkskincare.com/Bulk-Aro...-p/741gcoy.htm

http://www.bulkskincare.com/Aromathe...-p/741gcor.htm

http://www.bulkskincare.com/Conditio...n-p/75coag.htm

The Prana and Miss Bhuriti seem to be an EW base of some kind but I'm not sure. I'm not sure what base (if they are from a base) the Kissi and Nu Milk conditioners are.
4a/b Texlaxed hair w/ highlights. Medium texture & high porosity.

HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

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