Hair Products and Their Bases

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First off...let me say that there is NOTHING wrong with a company using bases as long as they are up front with their customers. Sometimes, we don't feel like adding ingredients, or making sure something smells good, so we just go ahead and buy the final version. But, I do think it's important that consumers are aware of these bases in case they want to buy them and tweak to their own liking.

So, what bases do you know? I'll start.

- Wonder Curl Get Set Hair Jelly: Essential Wholesale Simple Aloe Jelly (with fragrance added) http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107166/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Oil Free Aloe Vera Styling Gel: Essential Wholesale Styling Hair Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107166/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Scrunch Oil Free Gel: Essential Wholesale Lavender Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107162/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Whipped Jelly: Essential Wholesale Whipped Massage Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107167/.f
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First off...let me say that there is NOTHING wrong with a company using bases as long as they are up front with their customers. Sometimes, we don't feel like adding ingredients, or making sure something smells good, so we just go ahead and buy the final version. But, I do think it's important that consumers are aware of these bases in case they want to buy them and tweak to their own liking.

So, what bases do you know? I'll start.

- Wonder Curl Get Set Hair Jelly: Essential Wholesale Simple Aloe Jelly (with fragrance added) http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107166/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Oil Free Aloe Vera Styling Gel: Essential Wholesale Styling Hair Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107166/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Scrunch Oil Free Gel: Essential Wholesale Lavender Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107162/.f

- Brendita's Body Works Phat Head Whipped Jelly: Essential Wholesale Whipped Massage Jelly http://www.essentialwholesale.com/s....gory.107167/.f
Originally Posted by ellepixie

Elle... great thread!!

I also think it would be good just to list companies that have bases becase a lot of supply companies do.

Shampoo base:
http://www.texasnaturalsupply.com/pr...productid=ANSB

Cream base:
http://www.texasnaturalsupply.com/pr...ctid=ANEMCLBC2

Conditioner base:
http://www.organic-creations.com/ser...itioner/Detail

Since I am work.. I can't think of the other ones right now and they are on my laptop at home.
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i've said it before and i'll say it again...

there is absolutely nothing wrong with a company using bases (if that's their thing) and i don't believe a company has to divulge this information. there are plenty of companies who private label. i'm not just talking about hair products either. there are big companies who private label to small companies all the time.

take for instance infant (baby) formula. there is an infant formula act for all infant formula in the USA. lots of the top of the line standard and organic baby formula is made under one roof. it is sold for private label to various entities with various price points. it is not disclosed by the companies nor their websites.
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faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
i've said it before and i'll say it again...

there is absolutely nothing wrong with a company using bases (if that's their thing) and i don't believe a company has to divulge this information. there are plenty of companies who private label. i'm not just talking about hair products either. there are big companies who private label to small companies all the time.

take for instance infant (baby) formula. there is an infant formula act for all infant formula in the USA. lots of the top of the line standard and organic baby formula is made under one roof. it is sold for private label to various entities with various price points. it is not disclosed by the companies nor their websites.
Originally Posted by hippychic
I agree, but don't advertise yourself as a mixtress if you are not. Also, there are some companies who don't even tweak the product...they just re-package it and say they mixed it. What? That is a straight up lie. So, if people want to use the base they should at least know about it, IMHO.
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Here's one that I recently discovered was a base. I LOVE this as a leave/styler combo so I was surprised to find it was a base. Not hating on the company that's selling it, but I can get it cheaper directly from supplier here.

There's an old thread on here (in one of the other sections of the board) that give a list of products that people love that are really bases so that you can buy the base directly cheaper.
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i've said it before and i'll say it again...

there is absolutely nothing wrong with a company using bases (if that's their thing) and i don't believe a company has to divulge this information. there are plenty of companies who private label. i'm not just talking about hair products either. there are big companies who private label to small companies all the time.

take for instance infant (baby) formula. there is an infant formula act for all infant formula in the USA. lots of the top of the line standard and organic baby formula is made under one roof. it is sold for private label to various entities with various price points. it is not disclosed by the companies nor their websites.
Originally Posted by hippychic
I agree, but don't advertise yourself as a mixtress if you are not. Also, there are some companies who don't even tweak the product...they just re-package it and say they mixed it. What? That is a straight up lie. So, if people want to use the base they should at least know about it, IMHO.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
That's the problem I have with a lot of these companies. When you start talking about your products are "made fresh in small batches" and ALL your products are bases (or dayum near all of them) then you honestly can't make that statement. Bases are made in BULK, they are not made in small batches.

Plus there is a difference between "private label agreements" and companies selling the same product manufactured in the same facility under different brands with different price points. Private label agreements are when a formulator stikes a deal with someone what a manufacturing facility to mass product a product for them. The formulator retains EXCLUSIVE rights to the formula, and the owner of the facility gets a flat manufacturing payment.

Companies selling products under multiple names and price points is the same as the difference between buying an Acura and a Honda....everyone knows that an Acura is really just a honda with a different engine and emblem, but they sell it as a totally different brand (Luxury) and at a much different price point.
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- Jasmine's Bath and Beauty Babassu Butter conditioner is just straight base with scent added. If you like that conditioner you can find it unscented here. http://www.organic-creations.com/ser...ase/Categories

- Hairveda's conditioners are from a base that is very popular - Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid. I found one version of the base here. You can just add scent and the oils you like. http://www.wholesalesuppliesplus.com...er+Concentrate

You can also find that base here - http://www.serenitysoapnshower.com/Product/3239.aspx
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HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

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Last edited by afrosheenqueen; 10-07-2010 at 11:04 AM.
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
4a/b Texlaxed hair w/ highlights. Medium texture & high porosity.

HG's: CJ Daily Fix, Bobeam Cheris Hibiscus shampoo bar, KC Spiral Spritz, Knot Today, CJ Rehab, KBB LL Hair Mask, Cassia, KCCC, oil blend of Avocado, Camellia, Jojoba, & Meadowfoam oils

SL APL BSL MBL
i've said it before and i'll say it again...

there is absolutely nothing wrong with a company using bases (if that's their thing) and i don't believe a company has to divulge this information. there are plenty of companies who private label. i'm not just talking about hair products either. there are big companies who private label to small companies all the time.

take for instance infant (baby) formula. there is an infant formula act for all infant formula in the USA. lots of the top of the line standard and organic baby formula is made under one roof. it is sold for private label to various entities with various price points. it is not disclosed by the companies nor their websites.
Originally Posted by hippychic
I agree, but don't advertise yourself as a mixtress if you are not. Also, there are some companies who don't even tweak the product...they just re-package it and say they mixed it. What? That is a straight up lie. So, if people want to use the base they should at least know about it, IMHO.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
That's the problem I have with a lot of these companies. When you start talking about your products are "made fresh in small batches" and ALL your products are bases (or dayum near all of them) then you honestly can't make that statement. Bases are made in BULK, they are not made in small batches.

Plus there is a difference between "private label agreements" and companies selling the same product manufactured in the same facility under different brands with different price points. Private label agreements are when a formulator stikes a deal with someone what a manufacturing facility to mass product a product for them. The formulator retains EXCLUSIVE rights to the formula, and the owner of the facility gets a flat manufacturing payment.

Companies selling products under multiple names and price points is the same as the difference between buying an Acura and a Honda....everyone knows that an Acura is really just a honda with a different engine and emblem, but they sell it as a totally different brand (Luxury) and at a much different price point.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
I agree, and I mean I think it's a little insulting - there have been many times where I wish a certain ingredient was in a product but I don't want to ruin it, and later I find out it's just a base!! When a mixtress has a formulation, I'm like oooh okay, she must know what she is doing, that must be good. But if it's a base, why can't I play with it to tweak for my hair?
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Bee Mine Avocado Cream Balanced Condiotioner
http://www.beemineproducts.com/produ...oner-8-oz.html can be found at Essential Wholesale http://www.essentialwholesale.com/Mo...ng-Conditioner


Hair Type: 3c/4a

Still searching for my staple products. Maybe I can be faithful to a set of products one day.
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen
Wait a dayum minute. You mean to tell me this heffa using BASES and trying to charge these high ass high end product prices?!?!?!? OH HELL TO THE NAW.

The link I gave above in my first post uses the SAME base...but she only charges $9 for an 8oz bottle. Mala must be out her dayum mind!
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wow, this is a whole lotta bases used
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faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
wow, this is a whole lotta bases used
Originally Posted by hippychic
Exactly girl! ITA with ya Elle, especially with all the price gouging and fickle practices going on. It really doesn't hurt to take that extra step and investment.
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wow, this is a whole lotta bases used
Originally Posted by hippychic

WOW! Now that I am reading all these bases ingredients... I need to look at all the products I have at home and start comparing.
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen
Wait a dayum minute. You mean to tell me this heffa using BASES and trying to charge these high ass high end product prices?!?!?!? OH HELL TO THE NAW.

The link I gave above in my first post uses the SAME base...but she only charges $9 for an 8oz bottle. Mala must be out her dayum mind!
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
You beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing.


Hair Type: 3c/4a

Still searching for my staple products. Maybe I can be faithful to a set of products one day.
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen

I think Mala uses a base for her butters too.
Only thing different in her butters are the oils/essential oil blend she uses.
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen

I think Mala uses a base for her butters too.
Only thing different in her butters are the oils/essential oil blend she uses.
Originally Posted by finehair
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LOIS (OS); cottony, TYPE 4 hair, fine/med strands; no cones bcz my hair hates them; last relaxer '98; now low porosity, ignores most natural hair rules; BC #8

faves: suave, v05 shampoo, conditioner (my own), raw shea butter, castor oil, peanut oil, aloe juice
Afroveda's Holy Basil, Coconut Moisture, Neem, Kissi, Nu Milk, and Emu are made from this base. You can add ingredients or herbs as you like. http://www.ingredientstodiefor.com/i...category_id=53

Her other conditioners are from the Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol (together these are called Cetearyl, the name she uses), Stearalkonium Chloride, Dimethyl Stearamine, Lactic Acid type of base I mentioned above.

Mala also gets NatureMulse, the emulsifier she uses for her butters, from here as well. I bought some to experiment with.
Originally Posted by afrosheenqueen

I think Mala uses a base for her butters too.
Only thing different in her butters are the oils/essential oil blend she uses.
Originally Posted by finehair
fine hair, you've just hit pay dirt!!!
Originally Posted by hippychic
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!? Hehe!! Makes folks wanna start googling ingredient combos to see what pops up...
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