Weird texture changing after growth? Getting discouraged, help. ]:

Thanks in advance to everyone.. .

I just big chopped on Oct 26th and I have a twa (about 3inches all over) and my hair texture is really weird. It is 4a/b when wet WITH product... or when I put gel in it.. but when it dries.. it's just an Afro. Where my hair is "4a" it's cottony. The "4b" sections are spongy. It STAYS dry and since I big chopped myself.. [no one supported me ):] it's uneven.. and.. weird.

In other words:
1. Did your hair stay really dry for a while after the big chop?
2. What do you guys with two different textures do? I mean, they're not only DISTINCT curl patterns, ["4a" is s-shaped, "4b" are little bitty coils] they feel different and react differently to products. ];.

THE BIG QUESTION!
3. Did your curl pattern become more defined after your hair got longer? I have no problem with my hair becoming an afro.. per say. I enjoy the look. [:. I just get SO many fairy knots when I don't apply gel to it to elongate or define the curls. My shrinkage is horrible. All of the little kinks shrink up into each other and tangle HORRIBLY. I don't know how to combat this, and I'm really thinking of protective styling until my hair gets long enough for twists or something...

And, if I used a natural gel could I wash and go everyday? I really don't want to damage my hair anymore than it is... and I'm going to be BALD if I keep having to cut these fairy knots. ];.

ONE MORE THING:
For some reason the ends of my hair are weird. After my hair has dried, I can reach into what I call "the thickness" and feel all the little curls down in there. But at the end of the curls there is a big bush... idk what the heck that is. xD. And I don't want to cut my hair if it's not damaged...
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Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
^ seconded! i'm taking pictures of my hair, you should too since we could be hair twins!

Anyway! Of course I'm no hair expert, but I can share words based on personal experience.

1. Did your hair stay really dry for a while after the big chop?

Goodness, yes. I didn't really know what to do though, that's why. I was convinced all my hair was scab hair just to make myself feel better. But I never trimmed that hair off once my hair got longer, and it's all fine now! You probably just haven't figured out what your hair really likes, it's alright! Just do what you can. (:

2. What do you guys with two different textures do?

As you saw, I have different shapes, sizes, and textures on my head. To be honest.. I pretty much treat them all the same! The only exception is I don't put as much product on the fine, silky clumps because then they'll be longer than the rest of my hair and will be limp instead of nice and fluffy.

THE BIG QUESTION!
3. Did your curl pattern become more defined after your hair got longer?

Yes, but I think it's also due to me discovering what to do with my hair to keep it healthy and moisturized.

I can't give you a definite answer for the question about your ends but I know my ends were really yucky when my hair was short but after taking proper care of them, they're fine!

Hope I helped, girly! (:
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It seems like you're having moisture retention issues. The ends of the hair are almost always going to be the first to feel the driest when you're not moisturizing properly. It's the oldest hair.

I think keeping the hair stretched makes it easier to moisturize. Especially those of us with very tightly coiled hair that has a tendency to get matted and is dry by nature. To stretch, maybe you could try to do braid outs or twist outs. Or you can just do braids or twists and keep those in.
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'After my hair has dried, I can reach into what I call "the thickness" and feel all the little curls down in there. But at the end of the curls there is a big bush... idk what the heck that is. xD. And I don't want to cut my hair if it's not damaged...'

My hair was the same way! I BC two months ago and I had all of these beautiful curls trapped underneath a layer of frizzy afro after it dried. I had to develop a moisturizing regimen and learn some clumping techniques to get my curls to look more like curls than a frizz ball. Some days it looks great, but some days the fro will not be denied.

If you want a newbie's opinion I too wouldn't suggest you cut your hair. Like a previous commenter suggested a good moisturizing regimen will help make your ends look better and some frizz control products will help with that. Technique helps too. I do this clumping method to get my curls to appear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mD53gbArs

I believe dryness is the nature of the beast that is the TWA. Eventhough I DC every week, co-wash, apply a leave in and seal with an oil everyday, and moisturize everynight before I go to bed with my satin bonnet, I still wake up to a dry TWA. This particular YouTuber who has been natural for a year and recently BC again, had some interesting theories about why the TWA is so dry- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9te7arrNo.

In her opinion dryness will be your bane for several months after you BC until you have enough length to do twists and so forth.

My hair is 4a at the crown sides and back, but 4b above my temple. The temple area always looks driest. I just try to concentrate a little more product there to help combat the dryness.

I still do wash and gos everyday and my hair is thriving. It's grown considerably since I BC. I alternate between 100% aloe vera gel, which is very moisturizing, and another styler to avoid excessive dryness.

I would say make sure you moisturize your hair faithfully and try to find what works for your hair in terms of stylers, conditioners, leave-in etc. Deep condition your hair to combat the dryness and one day you'll have lush hair. If you do choose to protective stye, dont forget to continue to moisturize to avoid breakage.

Good Luck!
3 inches is long enough to do twists. You may have to do them much smaller to be effective than someone with longer hair, as they can usually get away with fewer twists. If you don't like the way they look on you, twist outs are a good option. My sister's hair is about 3-4 inches and if she does twists the same size as I do (well, my medium- fat sized ones), they won't lay down right. She can't get away with lazy fat twists just yet.
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pics! we need pics!
Originally Posted by keenyme

Lol! I'm going to take pictures now just for you.
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Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
'After my hair has dried, I can reach into what I call "the thickness" and feel all the little curls down in there. But at the end of the curls there is a big bush... idk what the heck that is. xD. And I don't want to cut my hair if it's not damaged...'

My hair was the same way! I BC two months ago and I had all of these beautiful curls trapped underneath a layer of frizzy afro after it dried. I had to develop a moisturizing regimen and learn some clumping techniques to get my curls to look more like curls than a frizz ball. Some days it looks great, but some days the fro will not be denied.

If you want a newbie's opinion I too wouldn't suggest you cut your hair. Like a previous commenter suggested a good moisturizing regimen will help make your ends look better and some frizz control products will help with that. Technique helps too. I do this clumping method to get my curls to appear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_mD53gbArs

I believe dryness is the nature of the beast that is the TWA. Eventhough I DC every week, co-wash, apply a leave in and seal with an oil everyday, and moisturize everynight before I go to bed with my satin bonnet, I still wake up to a dry TWA. This particular YouTuber who has been natural for a year and recently BC again, had some interesting theories about why the TWA is so dry- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS9te7arrNo.

In her opinion dryness will be your bane for several months after you BC until you have enough length to do twists and so forth.

My hair is 4a at the crown sides and back, but 4b above my temple. The temple area always looks driest. I just try to concentrate a little more product there to help combat the dryness.

I still do wash and gos everyday and my hair is thriving. It's grown considerably since I BC. I alternate between 100% aloe vera gel, which is very moisturizing, and another styler to avoid excessive dryness.

I would say make sure you moisturize your hair faithfully and try to find what works for your hair in terms of stylers, conditioners, leave-in etc. Deep condition your hair to combat the dryness and one day you'll have lush hair. If you do choose to protective stye, dont forget to continue to moisturize to avoid breakage.

Good Luck!
Originally Posted by Dimplesonme2
Oh my goodness! Thank you. I'm glad that someone else had this. It's like a phenomenon because I can feel the little springs, but I understand now! And thank you so much for the links.
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Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
3 inches is long enough to do twists. You may have to do them much smaller to be effective than someone with longer hair, as they can usually get away with fewer twists. If you don't like the way they look on you, twist outs are a good option. My sister's hair is about 3-4 inches and if she does twists the same size as I do (well, my medium- fat sized ones), they won't lay down right. She can't get away with lazy fat twists just yet.
Originally Posted by CocoT
I twist my hair all the timee, I just never wear it out. They look dry. ];. I guess I need to get over my fears so I can have well preserved hair. . And by any chance do you know any good, silicone free moisturizers? I have some shea butter coming... but I don't even know what to do with that business.
Natural
Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
^ seconded! i'm taking pictures of my hair, you should too since we could be hair twins!

Anyway! Of course I'm no hair expert, but I can share words based on personal experience.

1. Did your hair stay really dry for a while after the big chop?

Goodness, yes. I didn't really know what to do though, that's why. I was convinced all my hair was scab hair just to make myself feel better. But I never trimmed that hair off once my hair got longer, and it's all fine now! You probably just haven't figured out what your hair really likes, it's alright! Just do what you can. (:

2. What do you guys with two different textures do?

As you saw, I have different shapes, sizes, and textures on my head. To be honest.. I pretty much treat them all the same! The only exception is I don't put as much product on the fine, silky clumps because then they'll be longer than the rest of my hair and will be limp instead of nice and fluffy.

THE BIG QUESTION!
3. Did your curl pattern become more defined after your hair got longer?

Yes, but I think it's also due to me discovering what to do with my hair to keep it healthy and moisturized.

I can't give you a definite answer for the question about your ends but I know my ends were really yucky when my hair was short but after taking proper care of them, they're fine!

Hope I helped, girly! (:
Originally Posted by Jamtastic Voyage!
Haha! I'm so glad other people went through the same annoying dry stage. . I'm taking pictures! I just need to figure out how to post them... xD

I thought my hair was scab hair too. LMAO. After reading this, I don't think it is anymore. xD.
Natural
Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
Horrible pictures. xD. I'll take some better ones when my mom fixes my camera D:<
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Big Chop: October 26th, 2010
Hair Type: Fantastically Nappy!
Goal: APL, and NO longer .

Teeny weeny afro.
3 inches is long enough to do twists. You may have to do them much smaller to be effective than someone with longer hair, as they can usually get away with fewer twists. If you don't like the way they look on you, twist outs are a good option. My sister's hair is about 3-4 inches and if she does twists the same size as I do (well, my medium- fat sized ones), they won't lay down right. She can't get away with lazy fat twists just yet.
Originally Posted by CocoT
I twist my hair all the timee, I just never wear it out. They look dry. ];. I guess I need to get over my fears so I can have well preserved hair. . And by any chance do you know any good, silicone free moisturizers? I have some shea butter coming... but I don't even know what to do with that business.
Originally Posted by curlyhaley
Depends on your budget. I highly recommend Qhemet Biologics. Target has some silicone free moisturizers, you may even be able to find them at your local beauty supply store. You can use shea butter, I would melt it down and let it solidify so it's a smooth consistency. And make sure you use it sparingly because it can make your hair very greasy if youre heavy handed. Since it's a butter, I'd use it on damp (or wet hair) to seal in the moisture of the water or whatever leave in you use.
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When I first got shea butter I was like "herp derp what now" so I watched a few videos and decided what to do!

I whipped my shea butter with coconut oil, plus tea tree oil for preservative. You can whip it with any oils you want but I think coconut oil prevents it from getting completely solid again. It saved my hair, seriously. I could use it alone for a soft fluffy look or under gel to cut down on any crunch and leave my hair moisturized.

I agree with using it on damp hair, because since it's a sealant, if you put it on dry (as in not wet + not moisturized) hair it won't do you any good. It can't seal in water if there's none there!
4a, fine-coarse, normal-high porosity, thick and dense sponge cake!
currently texlaxed!
APL stretched, ear length curly.
Hair <3s: butters, glycerin, honey, coconut, aloe, olive oil
Hair </3s: other oils, protein, 'cones, sulfates
Cleanse: Bentonite Clay
Condition: Shea Moisture Restorative, KUI Hydrating Hemp
Leave-In: KCKT+castor oil, KUI Coconut Cream
Style: Curl pudding (eco styler blue gel+shea butter+castor oil+conditioner)
So....

If i'm reading this correctly that means that there's no help for dry bed head the next day when ur hair is no long enough to put in a pony?

Cuz my hair will stay pretty moisturized all day...but once I put that bonnet on and hit the sack, i wake up to all kinds of dry & flattened curls. I probably could rock the mini mohawk look, but that's about it. I try to freshen the curls up by spritzing them...no luck...no help but to dunk them suckers, shake my head add some leave-in, some oil and a bit of shea butter and go on about my business.

You guys got any ideas? I can't rock twists, my hair is so thin that only tiny ones will stay twisted and you can see scalp city up in there...definitely not all pretty like Lisa Arrindell Anderson's in TP's Madea's Family Reunion. Now she can rock the twists...so pretty! No scalp spaces for the world to see.
Hair type: the back and sides have small spiraly curls, the top and front just wave like, "hi! how ya doin?"

Condish: ElucenceMBC, HEHH, my kitchen mixes

Moisturizer: mixed spritz of: H20, aloe vera juice, honey, EVCO, ElucenceMBC

Curl Definer: H20 & a shake, my moisturizer mix.... or aloe vera/flax seed/ic fantsia gel if I'm not being lazy.

Styles: wash-n-go, twists just curl up like my wash-n-go

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Last edited by demsdata; 11-23-2010 at 07:12 PM.
So....

If i'm reading this correctly that means that there's no help for dry bed head the next day when ur hair is no long enough to put in a pony?

Cuz my hair will stay pretty moisturized all day...but once I put that bonnet on and hit the sack, i wake up to all kinds of dry & flattened curls. I probably could rock the mini mohawk look, but that's about it. I try to freshen the curls up by spritzing them...no luck...no help but to dunk them suckers, shake my head add some leave-in, some oil and a bit of shea butter and go on about my business.

You guys got any ideas? I can't rock twists, my hair is so thin that only tiny ones will stay twisted and you can see scalp city up in there...definitely not all pretty like Lisa Arrindell Anderson's in TP's Madea's Family Reunion. Now she can rock the twists...so pretty! No scalp spaces for the world to see.
Originally Posted by demsdata
Have you tried doing the pineapple method? banding? What's wrong with what you're currently doing? I mean if that works for you. If you don't want bed head, I would suggest sleeping with your hair in twists and untwist them in the morning or doing the pineapple method. There's no preventing bed head if you sleep with your hair loose like that, unless it's long or not as kinky.
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1) My hair was dry for a while after the BC because I had NO idea what products to use or how to apply them. Now that I do, my hair is always soft.

2) I have two very distinct textures. When moisturizing and sealing, I treat them the same. When styling, my looser texture needs a bit of gel (Lily of the Desert Aloe Vera Gel or Kiss My Face Upper Management) to keep it in place. When detangling, I have to be very patient with my tight coils.

3) My curl pattern has become more defined as my hair grows. I attribute this to using more moisturizing products and better hair maintenance techniques. with that said, I am not a wash-n-go girl and I don't do curl definition. I just notice more curls when I wash my hair now than after the BC.

You could wash-n-go everyday..if you want to. It sounds like it may be the source of your tangling. If your hair is long enough, try banding (search YouTube for the technique) and then do a twist out. This will give you some definition while stretching your hair out and preventing it from tangling so much.

4) The "bush" you feel on your ends is probably dryness. Try a moisturizing DT, moisturize and then seal your ends. Do this for a while and see if it gets better. If not, you may need a trim.

For a sealant, I recommend shealoe. It's a mix of shea butter and aloe vera gel. Google for a recipe.
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