Texturizer and Hair Breakage

In September, I went to a salon to use the Mizani Relaxer to texturize my hair. I loved it, it loosed my curl and make my hair fall more than it used to: http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...3ea80971ff.jpg

But after a month, my hair wasn't as easy to comb though. it's almost like it kinda reverted back to its old hair. Anways.. since I got a texturizer, I had to moisturize my hair more but I wasn't doing that enough because I was allergic to many of the conditioners that worked well with my hair.. Currently my hair has been breaking a ton! Should I not get another texturizer even though my roots are coming in? Any tips? Is Mizani a good relaxer to use or do you recommend that I use another one?

Thank you
why would you put more chemicals on already breaking hair?
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why would you put more chemicals on already breaking hair?
Originally Posted by hippychic
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I think you should try to get your moisture regimen locked down tight before you start adding chemicals to the mix.
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(Mm, this sounds like a trollish question, but I'll try my best to answer)

Whether or not you get another relaxer is up to you.

I don't know about Mizani but do know that relaxer in general can cause hair breakage/damage. Exhibit A= Your current hair situation...

I personally wouldn't recommend any relaxer; but if you want to relax, then go ahead and relax.
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Last edited by HomeGrownHairGirl; 12-14-2010 at 09:45 AM.
Do you care more about your hair breaking or your curls being loosened? You've made the connection between the perm and the hair damage If it were my hair, I'd leave all chemicals alone and focus only on finding moisturizers I could tolerate. Low manipulation...I'd probably keep my hair twisted.
I agree with the other posters.


But to add an observation just for the heck of it, sometimes I find that people claim extreme hair breakage and shedding and when actuality it really isn't all that much...well at least to me. Is your hair breaking off every time you touch it or is it more so when you comb or brush it? The latter can be easier to rectify by limiting the manipulation that you put on your hair and just being more patient. If I'm not being extremely gentle or patient with my hair I expect to find a few broken hairs among the shed hair. Even if I am trying to be incredibly gentle, I get a few broken hairs sometimes. Maybe that's just me, but if I stressed out about every hair that comes out of my head I'd go insane. If all I did was simply touch my hair and it's just popping off, then I'd be alarmed. Also, if my broken hairs were even a quarter of the total of my shed hair, I'd be even more alarmed.

Also, are you inspecting the hair to see if it is in fact broken hair? It could be shed hair.. I've seen naturals complain of excessive shedding breakage and such and in actuality it's really so minimal! Especially considering that the majority of naturals don't detangle their hair every single day. Hair on average sheds 50-100 hairs a day. In a weeks worth of detangling, I find that my hair shedding is pretty normal, if not below average.
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Definitely don't texturize breaking hair. What are you allergic to? Maybe we can find you some conditioners that work - you definitely need to be moisturizing.
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Does anyone know if protein treatments would be good for her hair? I never relaxed my hair before, but I have fried it with hair color (bleaching) and though it didn't 100% repair my hair, it worked wonders for me.

I agree with the other posters: Why would you like, put a relaxer back into your hair when your hair is clearing showing signs of damager from the relaxer?
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I've read some of your other posts about your hair, including this one, and it seems like your hair is very porous (now overly porous due to the texturizer) and very dry. I agree with ellepixie's question, "what are you allergic to"? You need to narrow those ingredients down first before you can have healthy hair.

It would help if you listed the conditioners, shampoos, styling aids and their ingredients that you have used. For example, my hair and scalp cannot tolerate petroleum or mineral oil. It makes my scalp greasy, itchy and flaky, and my hair become greasy and brittle. So yes, I'm sensitive/allergic to petroleum and mineral oil and avoid those products. As a result, my hair is touchable, scalp pores aren't clogged and my scalp does not itch, my hair has stopped breaking especially at the ends, and my hair and scalp are not greasy.

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Does anyone know if protein treatments would be good for her hair? I never relaxed my hair before, but I have fried it with hair color (bleaching) and though it didn't 100% repair my hair, it worked wonders for me.

I agree with the other posters: Why would you like, put a relaxer back into your hair when your hair is clearing showing signs of damager from the relaxer?
Originally Posted by greenandchic
It might help but from her post she said she's having issues with allergies in her conditioners so her hair is not getting proper moisture. This is the issue. She needs to get a solid moisture routine down stat.
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Thanks for the help everyone! I am not quite sure what I'm allergic to.. I noticed that I'm not allergic to hair conditioners that have organic/natural preservatives but i am allergic to the natural preservative called phenoxyethanol, i think. I may also be allergic to fragrances that are not natural. I am in DESPERATE need of an organic moisturizing combing conditioner! I am allergic to Giovanni's Organic Smooth as Silk conditioner (even though it's organic). I am not allergic to Aubrey's Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner but I can only really use this product as dt... I tried Trader Joe's Tea Tingle Conditioner and I'm not allergic to it but it does NOT work well with my hair! It made it even dryer! Also, I believe I am protein sensitive because it makes my hair break some. I've heard of Trader Joe's Tea Nourish Spa and I am going to try (even though it has protein in it) because I need a combing and moisturizing conditioner. What are your thoughts on this product?

I feel like I can't stop using the relaxer now because my new growth is growing in and it's way more puffy than the rest of my hair... Plus I loved my hair texturized and it was really moisturized when I was using the hair products such as Tresseme Natural Conditioner, garnier fructis, and Herbal Essense's Hello Hydration but I was very allergic to all of them.

Currently, my hair is terrible! I could not comb my hair and it was breaking terribly! My friends tell me it's because I am due for another relaxer! I am not sure what to do...

Last edited by avaanstar; 12-14-2010 at 11:01 PM.
I agree with the other posters.


But to add an observation just for the heck of it, sometimes I find that people claim extreme hair breakage and shedding and when actuality it really isn't all that much...well at least to me. Is your hair breaking off every time you touch it or is it more so when you comb or brush it? The latter can be easier to rectify by limiting the manipulation that you put on your hair and just being more patient. If I'm not being extremely gentle or patient with my hair I expect to find a few broken hairs among the shed hair. Even if I am trying to be incredibly gentle, I get a few broken hairs sometimes. Maybe that's just me, but if I stressed out about every hair that comes out of my head I'd go insane. If all I did was simply touch my hair and it's just popping off, then I'd be alarmed. Also, if my broken hairs were even a quarter of the total of my shed hair, I'd be even more alarmed.

Also, are you inspecting the hair to see if it is in fact broken hair? It could be shed hair.. I've seen naturals complain of excessive shedding breakage and such and in actuality it's really so minimal! Especially considering that the majority of naturals don't detangle their hair every single day. Hair on average sheds 50-100 hairs a day. In a weeks worth of detangling, I find that my hair shedding is pretty normal, if not below average.
Originally Posted by CocoT

The breakage is horrid! More than I have ever had! I know the difference between shedding and breakage is shedding always has the white bulb on the tip. But my hair has never broken this bad! It's getting shorter everytime I touch or attempt to comb it.
The cycle of the relaxer continues. It's not a one time deal that will solve all your problems. This is why people are slave to the relaxer. It seems all well and good until your new growth comes in. You have to maintain it. Some people stretch their relaxers and texturizers with success but your hair has been having trouble maintaining moisture and maybe your protein balance is off since your hair is so weak. Sounds to me that is why your hair is breaking, probably at the line of demarcation. Technically, you're due for a touch up. But I would not recommend it. You need to restore the condition of your hair before you do chemical treatments.

I'll have to think about more products to recommend without that ingredient. Is the only thing you need conditioner? What moisturizers and stylers do you use? Have you tried Oyin Handmade Honey Hemp? It's all natural.

I'd also suggest protective styling...low manipulation
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Shea Moisture Shea Butter LI and the Curl & Style Milk also don't contain it. I agree with CocoT, you definitely need to get your hair back in shape before you weaken it more.
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Moisture and protein are needed when your hair is weak. When I relaxed I did intense protein treatments sto maintain my hair health. Have you tried Aphogee 2 step protein treatment. It is not natural so it might not have the ingredients you are allergic to.
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OK.....I've trying to figure out what exactly it is that you are allergic to. The conditioners that you list have a bunch of similiar ingredients in them and it could be one of the extracts causing the allergic reation.

Also, what other products are you using? Are you using gel? I know for me, some gels (espically if they are protein heavy) make my hair uber dry after using consistantly for a few days. What leave in conditioner are you using?

Also, I second the protein treatment suggestion. Aphogee 2 step or the kertin would help...but before you use them you need to get the moisture level up so that the protein doesn't make you hair even drier.
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I am in DESPERATE need of an organic moisturizing combing conditioner! I am allergic to Giovanni's Organic Smooth as Silk conditioner (even though it's organic). I am not allergic to Aubrey's Honeysuckle Rose Conditioner but I can only really use this product as dt...
Originally Posted by avaanstar
Is it because its too heavy? If your hair likes the AO line try some of their lighter stuff like GPB or White Camellia conditioners.
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I feel like I can't stop using the relaxer now because my new growth is growing in and it's way more puffy than the rest of my hair... Plus I loved my hair texturized and it was really moisturized when I was using the hair products such as Tresseme Natural Conditioner, garnier fructis, and Herbal Essense's Hello Hydration but I was very allergic to all of them.

Currently, my hair is terrible! I could not comb my hair and it was breaking terribly! My friends tell me it's because I am due for another relaxer! I am not sure what to do...
Originally Posted by avaanstar
Yes, you can stop using the relaxer. Thousands of women transitioned from relaxed, permed (curly), texturized, heat damaged, blond, etc all the time back to natural. It just takes patience and creativity.

I know you like your texturized look, but it is worth losing your hair over? I love the fullness of your hair in your photos, why would you want to sacrifice your beautiful hair for something that its not?

If you like the curly look, there are certain natural ways you can accomplish that without damaging your hair.
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The cycle of the relaxer continues. It's not a one time deal that will solve all your problems. This is why people are slave to the relaxer. It seems all well and good until your new growth comes in. You have to maintain it. Some people stretch their relaxers and texturizers with success but your hair has been having trouble maintaining moisture and maybe your protein balance is off since your hair is so weak. Sounds to me that is why your hair is breaking, probably at the line of demarcation. Technically, you're due for a touch up. But I would not recommend it. You need to restore the condition of your hair before you do chemical treatments.

I'll have to think about more products to recommend without that ingredient. Is the only thing you need conditioner? What moisturizers and stylers do you use? Have you tried Oyin Handmade Honey Hemp? It's all natural.

I'd also suggest protective styling...low manipulation
Originally Posted by CocoT

Does Oyin Handmade Honey Hemp have good slip? Where can i buy this product? Thanks!
I agree with the other posters.


But to add an observation just for the heck of it, sometimes I find that people claim extreme hair breakage and shedding and when actuality it really isn't all that much...well at least to me. Is your hair breaking off every time you touch it or is it more so when you comb or brush it? The latter can be easier to rectify by limiting the manipulation that you put on your hair and just being more patient. If I'm not being extremely gentle or patient with my hair I expect to find a few broken hairs among the shed hair. Even if I am trying to be incredibly gentle, I get a few broken hairs sometimes. Maybe that's just me, but if I stressed out about every hair that comes out of my head I'd go insane. If all I did was simply touch my hair and it's just popping off, then I'd be alarmed. Also, if my broken hairs were even a quarter of the total of my shed hair, I'd be even more alarmed.

Also, are you inspecting the hair to see if it is in fact broken hair? It could be shed hair.. I've seen naturals complain of excessive shedding breakage and such and in actuality it's really so minimal! Especially considering that the majority of naturals don't detangle their hair every single day. Hair on average sheds 50-100 hairs a day. In a weeks worth of detangling, I find that my hair shedding is pretty normal, if not below average.
Originally Posted by CocoT
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Not to sound like somebody great aunt, but CocoT I must say you've come a long way. I remember you being sort of shy and humble when you first joined...now you're still humble, but you have so much knowledge and you are so helpful. I bet a lot of ppl on here can benefit from your advice. Just wanted to say I noticed

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