Kimmaytube hair growth, pH balance and protective styling

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I think as long as you keep you hair healthy and moisturized, it will grow BUT I'm not overly concerned about growing hair down to my waist though, so you can take my opinion as you will.

I love having natural hair because I think it's FUN! Watching the youtube videos about retaining length makes being natural seem more like work and dull as hell. Case in point: in a recent video of kimmaytube's she noted that it takes her 6 to 8 hours to detangle/shampoo/condition her hair, yet in a previous video she said something about she wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.

I would rather just make sure my hair is healthy AND if I'm going to do an extended detangling/shampoo session - best believe I'm going to flaunt my kinks and coils for all their worth!
Originally Posted by Whodunit
I totally agree! I also remember in one of her videos she said she wasn't interested in flat ironing her hair, because she didn't want heat damage. Now she's saying she's going o flat iron it later this month. Go figure.

I agree with you about natural hair being fun. I don't want to wear my hair up 90% just to let it retain length. I'm not 5 anymore where Mama kept my hair braided and only let it 'out' on Sunday or special event days. I don't have time to spend washing/detangling my hair for 6 hours. So if enjoying my hair means it doesn't grow BSL or WL then so be it. Chances are it may not grow to that length anyway. And even if it does, my mom always warned me about putting anything before God. I love my hair for what it is, but I don't put it before God, my family or anything else. Those 6 or 7 hours I was detangling my hair, I couldve been doing volunteer work or feeding the homeless, or attending church service. To each his/her own, but to me, its just not that serious.

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I think as long as you keep you hair healthy and moisturized, it will grow BUT I'm not overly concerned about growing hair down to my waist though, so you can take my opinion as you will.

I love having natural hair because I think it's FUN! Watching the youtube videos about retaining length makes being natural seem more like work and dull as hell. Case in point: in a recent video of kimmaytube's she noted that it takes her 6 to 8 hours to detangle/shampoo/condition her hair, yet in a previous video she said something about she wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.

I would rather just make sure my hair is healthy AND if I'm going to do an extended detangling/shampoo session - best believe I'm going to flaunt my kinks and coils for all their worth! [/QUOTE]

I totally agree! I also remember in one of her videos she said she wasn't interested in flat ironing her hair, because she didn't want heat damage. Now she's saying she's going o flat iron it later this month. Go figure.

I agree with you about natural hair being fun. I don't want to wear my hair up 90% just to let it retain length. I'm not 5 anymore where Mama kept my hair braided and only let it 'out' on Sunday or special event days. I don't have time to spend washing/detangling my hair for 6 hours. So if enjoying my hair means it doesn't grow BSL or WL then so be it. Chances are it may not grow to that length anyway. And even if it does, my mom always warned me about putting anything before God. I love my hair for what it is, but I don't put it before God, my family or anything else. Those 6 or 7 hours I was detangling my hair, I couldve been doing volunteer work or feeding the homeless, or attending church service. To each his/her own, but to me, its just not that serious.

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Last edited by kaycook; 01-01-2011 at 04:18 PM.
I think as long as you keep you hair healthy and moisturized, it will grow BUT I'm not overly concerned about growing hair down to my waist though, so you can take my opinion as you will.

I love having natural hair because I think it's FUN! Watching the youtube videos about retaining length makes being natural seem more like work and dull as hell. Case in point: in a recent video of kimmaytube's she noted that it takes her 6 to 8 hours to detangle/shampoo/condition her hair, yet in a previous video she said something about she wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.

I would rather just make sure my hair is healthy AND if I'm going to do an extended detangling/shampoo session - best believe I'm going to flaunt my kinks and coils for all their worth!
Originally Posted by Whodunit
I could not agree with this more. I always wondered what is the point to trying to retain long hair if you have to constantly wear protective styles to achieve it. I do protective style sometime, but not because I want to retain length it is usually because I just don't feel like dealing with my hair for a few days. I have found that when I just do my regular routine and not really worried about retainage etc is when my hair does the best.
Ishe wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.
Originally Posted by Whodunit
Honestly, for me... I never really liked doing my hair to begin with, so now that I've incorporated twists into my un-routine as opposed to just leaving it out and going days+ without combing, conditioning, or even moisturizing, I'll gladly go with the alternative of wearing it up in protective styles all the time. That way I don't have to think about it!

Of course... my ultimate goal is to get my hair to my tailbone. I'm sure it has a lot to do with that as well. Since I'm only around arm pit at this point, I still have a ways to go. Of course I'm not obsessively paranoid about it, but I want to actually experience what it's like to have long hair and have it be mine, even if it takes a few years to get there as opposed to 45 minutes.

I always hated getting my hair cut, and I've always hated having to fuss over my hair (I watch Kimmaytube sometimes as well but I didn't know she spent 8 hours detangling her hair! That seems like a bit much. 8|), so for me it's sort of a win-win.
I like protective styling because I'm the type of person who doesn't like to deal with my hair (despite being hair obsessed. I know what a contradiction ). I like to keep things fairly simple. I'm not a big fan of twists because mine never really look right. I really like to wear buns and other up dos. I figured out my hair routine and it doesn't take longer than an hour to detangle depending how I wear my hair. When I wear out styles like a fro at the end of week I end up detangling for longer. Every hair is different I guess. I have 4a/4b thick, coarse hair and around midback. I can't even see myself detangling for a couple of hours.
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Hey ladies! I've been doing some thinking. I like Kimmaytube. I'm not trying to knock her videos since I find them very informative. And her hair is simply beautiful. But..I have seen other naturals with just as much hair or longer, who probably could care less about the pH of any product they use on their hair.

Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
Originally Posted by adst2nv

I believe that protective styling is the key to retaining length - particularly for 4b hair - and moisturising the hair helps to keep it healthy (and thus prevent breakage).

The majority of conditioners on the market are acidic and are formulated to close the cuticle so I do not think that people should spend too much time worrying about the pH balance of products that they purchase.

The importance of pH comes into play when people are making homemade leave-ins and conditioners. In those cases the final products should be tested to ensure that they are acidic (4.5-5.5 is ideal)

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As a 4b, I'm always suspicious of kinky-curly girls who claim to not have any breakage. I can't even fathom it.[/quote]

I was too. But, after taking bits and pieces of hair care advice from her - keeping my hair moisturized and wearing low manipulation styles (for me currently, that's "Celie braids" under a wig), I've noticed that I've had virtually no breakage, and am actually retaining growth. And I have very thick bushy hair of different textures.
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Keeping it simple...
I like protective styling because I'm the type of person who doesn't like to deal with my hair (despite being hair obsessed. I know what a contradiction ). I like to keep things fairly simple. I'm not a big fan of twists because mine never really look right. I really like to wear buns and other up dos. I figured out my hair routine and it doesn't take longer than an hour to detangle depending how I wear my hair. When I wear out styles like a fro at the end of week I end up detangling for longer. Every hair is different I guess. I have 4a/4b thick, coarse hair and around midback. I can't even see myself detangling for a couple of hours.
Originally Posted by violetmauve
Wow! We must be hair twins because I've experienced the same things with regards to haircare--except my hair is only sholder length.

I'm glad it doesn't take you hours to detangle. It takes me such a 20-30 mins now. I don't know what I'd do if it got to be too long...
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Uhm, I just detangle my hair in the shower with lots of conditioner. Do some baggying. That sort of thing. But I don't ever detangle my hair other than that.

Then again, I also wash/detangle my hair every other day, so it's not that bad. Also, my hair's only a little past neck length when stretched, so I guess it would be harder for those at BSL or whatever.

Still though, I know a lot of people are all about protective styles, but really all I need is a good leave in conditioner and I'm usually alright. I suck at protective styles. If I knew how to cornrow I'd hook my hair UP. Haha.

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Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
Originally Posted by adst2nv
I am totally with u on the simplicity thing. I use two products: pink oil and hair mayonnaise. Honestly, I've watched the youtube videos on 4b hair (including kimmaytube), and I've visited a lot of sites, but at the end of the day, I don't have the patience. I have type 4b hair, one year natural, with 4.7 inches of hair. I comb my hair every 4 days.. And no breakage, besides the normal 50-100 strands. Considering everyone's hair grows at least 1 cm every month regardless of hair type, not bad.. Especially since I'm newly natural and relaxer-free..

Wet-condition-comb-twist-sit for 30 mins-rinse-grease-twist-untwist-wrap and repeat (every 4 days). That's my regimen lol. :0)

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I'm personally sick of all the "grow your hair" bandwagons that I have come across recently. The overdosing on prenatal vitamins, biotin, the sulfur, the herbs, anti-fungal cremes, the potions, etc., etc., etc. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Like someone mentioned earlier: hair grows because you're alive. PERIOD. You cannot deliberately grow your hair. The best thing you can do is to RETAIN the length that you are growing by protecting it. Note: this need not involve rocket scientists who measure the pH of your hair every 30 seconds.

Save for serious deficiencies, vitamins aren't going to make a significant difference.

Ask anybody with long hair what their secret was. I can almost guarantee that they're going to say there isn't one. Protect the hair, don't cut it, and your hair will get longer.

I think when you recently big chopped (or even just got a major hair cut), you are in a vulnerable state of mind. It's typically the inexperienced, the desperate, or the vulnerable individuals who constantly jump from one bandwagon to another. Those who have had long hair for a while are typically chill and let their hair do it's thing. They didn't do anything. They just grew more than they broke off. It didn't happen overnight either.

LHDC (waist length) mentions that she's been growing out her hair for SIX years. Teri (hip length) hasn't cut her hair in TEN years.
The end. Thank you for listening to my rant.
I like kimmaytube's videos. I think the pH testing is also a good way of eliminating products that you want to try. Using science, a logical way to prevent you from spending too much money and eventually being able to discern what does and does not work for your hair and also know why.

I think using science to find out what works and why enables her to recommend things that may also work for everyone's hair. As different as all our hair is, she's found certain things that we all have in common with our hair and scalp. We can tailor that information and use it however we like. I admire her for trying to base her recommendations and information on what science has taught us about our bodies. I mean companies use it all the time, why isn't a normal person entitled to that information and to share it, so we know what we're buying and how likely it is to work. It's effort, but we all make our own decisions. No one needs to follow everything to the bone.

I believe low manipulation and protective styling help retain length, but the key to that hair being healthy is also down to products. Many of the youtubers with very long hair seem to say they wear a lot of protective styles. I also think it's easier and many of them are really pretty and practical. Wearing your hair out can also just be asking for tangles.
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I'm personally sick of all the "grow your hair" bandwagons that I have come across recently. The overdosing on prenatal vitamins, biotin, the sulfur, the herbs, anti-fungal cremes, the potions, etc., etc., etc. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Like someone mentioned earlier: hair grows because you're alive. PERIOD. You cannot deliberately grow your hair. The best thing you can do is to RETAIN the length that you are growing by protecting it. Note: this need not involve rocket scientists who measure the pH of your hair every 30 seconds.

Save for serious deficiencies, vitamins aren't going to make a significant difference.

Ask anybody with long hair what their secret was. I can almost guarantee that they're going to say there isn't one. Protect the hair, don't cut it, and your hair will get longer.

I think when you recently big chopped (or even just got a major hair cut), you are in a vulnerable state of mind. It's typically the inexperienced, the desperate, or the vulnerable individuals who constantly jump from one bandwagon to another. Those who have had long hair for a while are typically chill and let their hair do it's thing. They didn't do anything. They just grew more than they broke off. It didn't happen overnight either.

LHDC (waist length) mentions that she's been growing out her hair for SIX years. Teri (hip length) hasn't cut her hair in TEN years.
The end. Thank you for listening to my rant.
Originally Posted by Saila
OMG YESSSSSSSSSSS.

The only thing I don't agree with (completely) is the supplement thing. I agree that some women abuse them and one day it might come back to haunt you (I'm sorry, but I don't trust the idea of taking prenatal vitamins/sulfur tablets, like that) however I will say that I take a multivitamin and it really seems to help. Then again I also eat relatively healthy being that I'm a pescetarian and do a lot of walking/biking, so maybe that ties into it. I'll say that the healthier I keep myself, the more my hair seems to grow...but even when I was shoving crap in my mouth, getting no exercise and getting relaxers, my hair still grew like a weed.

Some supplements are really crappy. A lot of them are. I believe a good one can be a big help though. I'm talking about a legit, USP verified one that makes sure it's not a bunch of dyes and crap in it. Not the one flashing in a banner on your screen that promise quick results. That's where a lot of people mess up.

I'm not sure where I was going with this anymore...I'm tired. But great comment! Haha

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Well I think that hair growth boils down to great maintence...less about proucts. I like Kimmay a lot. I think that she wanted long hair and she got it by putting in hard work. And she talks about it like it took hard work...)protective styling 90% of the time). I think all the PSing the ph thing is good if you want to take hair care to another level. Its not for some people because it takes time and a lot of work. And sacrifice. Most people dont want to wear protective styles all the time. I am one of them.
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Most people I know with long (imo, BSL +) hair wear it up most of the time. Whether it's for convenience, safety, or aesthetics, keeping it up in buns rolls, etc. ultimately protects hair from elements, friction, and tangles.

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I don't PS. I pretty much hate to see my hair locked up like a prisoner. That's how I feel about it lol. As of now, my hair is BSL. It's been that length since I started taking care of it my frosh year of college. I'm a junior now. When my mom took care of it (by PSing mainly...it was about MBL--I've been natural since birth btw). So, educated guess: my hair's retention would likely benefit from some PSing. I like the aesthetics of my loose hair more than I like long butt length hair. My hair is healthy even though I don't retain every millimeter of length. I think a lot of people don't get that.

As for pH I got an A in chem in hs. Beyond that, I'm done. Don't care.


OP, your hair will grow. Whether you PS it, pH it or put cow dung on it...as long as you're alive it will grow. And as long as you're not scraping the ends over sharp knives you'll retain some length.

"On a side note" (and despite the fact that I clearly check most of her hair techniques at the door) I quite like Kimmay. Even her attitude (now was that really necessary?).
While I salute her for reaching her hair goals using her methods and inspiring others to do the same, her hair seems to not be loving the flat-iron. The length is impressive, but it looks thin and . . . idk . . . damaged! Her hair is much more becoming to me in it's coily, kinky, curly state. It looks good blow-dried, too - very pretty. Flat-ironed, it's just okay.

I don't care what she says, to me, her hair could stand a trim. All the gentle handling and pH balanced products in the world don't hold up against pollution, sun, wind, cold, dry heat - all of which can weather your ends, "tucked up and out of the way" or not.

Also, after watching her and other YTers pull their hair down to see the length, I started doing it too, then stopped after awhile. I just felt I looked silly. I mean I can tell how my hair is progressing by looking at pictures. So what about the shrinkage! Many of Black people's ancestors can be traced to West and Southwest Africa where it is HOT. Our hair shrinks back onto itself to keep us and our ancestors' back and necks coo, especially in our hot ancestral climates. Practical, simple geography and anthropology. I actually read that in a science book. But I digress.

I just think it is unnecessary to pull out measuring tapes and pull the hair down all the time unless you are an entrant into a book of world records. Or maybe I could see doing it if you are about to get it flat-ironed and you want a preview. To each her own, whatever floats your boat and keeps you blissful, doing it is just not my thing.

I guess my point is that people like Kimmaytube help perpetuate this idea that women need to be more concerned with femininity and vanity rather than the events of their lives.
While I salute her for reaching her hair goals using her methods and inspiring others to do the same, her hair seems to not be loving the flat-iron. The length is impressive, but it looks thin and . . . idk . . . damaged! Her hair is much more becoming to me in it's coily, kinky, curly state. It looks good blow-dried, too - very pretty. Flat-ironed, it's just okay.

I don't care what she says, to me, her hair could stand a trim. All the gentle handling and pH balanced products in the world don't hold up against pollution, sun, wind, cold, dry heat - all of which can weather your ends, "tucked up and out of the way" or not.

Also, after watching her and other YTers pull their hair down to see the length, I started doing it too, then stopped after awhile. I just felt I looked silly. I mean I can tell how my hair is progressing by looking at pictures. So what about the shrinkage! Many of Black people's ancestors can be traced to West and Southwest Africa where it is HOT. Our hair shrinks back onto itself to keep us and our ancestors' back and necks coo, especially in our hot ancestral climates. Practical, simple geography and anthropology. I actually read that in a science book. But I digress.

I just think it is unnecessary to pull out measuring tapes and pull the hair down all the time unless you are an entrant into a book of world records. Or maybe I could see doing it if you are about to get it flat-ironed and you want a preview. To each her own, whatever floats your boat and keeps you blissful, doing it is just not my thing.

I guess my point is that people like Kimmaytube help perpetuate this idea that women need to be more concerned with femininity and vanity rather than the events of their lives.
Originally Posted by SunnyBeZen
I agree. I saw the video myself..and I'll just be and honest and say what some probably won't..well..she kinda got on my nerves..sorry. I agree with ~Indeed~..she does seem to be super pretentious.

*"Look at all dis hayah"!

I'm all about growing long healthy hair..I'm still working at it myself..but watching her on that video..no thank ya ma'am.

She seemed extra infatuated with the length..rather than how healthy it looked.

As far as the way it looked after she flat-ironed it..she probably just didn't have a good iron or tried to use as less heat as possible.
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Last edited by VersaceCrazy; 02-12-2011 at 08:45 PM.
I think as long as you keep you hair healthy and moisturized, it will grow BUT I'm not overly concerned about growing hair down to my waist though, so you can take my opinion as you will.

I love having natural hair because I think it's FUN! Watching the youtube videos about retaining length makes being natural seem more like work and dull as hell. Case in point: in a recent video of kimmaytube's she noted that it takes her 6 to 8 hours to detangle/shampoo/condition her hair, yet in a previous video she said something about she wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.

I would rather just make sure my hair is healthy AND if I'm going to do an extended detangling/shampoo session - best believe I'm going to flaunt my kinks and coils for all their worth!
Originally Posted by kaycook
I totally agree! I also remember in one of her videos she said she wasn't interested in flat ironing her hair, because she didn't want heat damage. Now she's saying she's going o flat iron it later this month. Go figure.

I agree with you about natural hair being fun. I don't want to wear my hair up 90% just to let it retain length. I'm not 5 anymore where Mama kept my hair braided and only let it 'out' on Sunday or special event days. I don't have time to spend washing/detangling my hair for 6 hours. So if enjoying my hair means it doesn't grow BSL or WL then so be it. Chances are it may not grow to that length anyway. And even if it does, my mom always warned me about putting anything before God. I love my hair for what it is, but I don't put it before God, my family or anything else. Those 6 or 7 hours I was detangling my hair, I couldve been doing volunteer work or feeding the homeless, or attending church service. To each his/her own, but to me, its just not that serious.

Seriously, I REALLY need to give you that offering! Yes and Amen!!!!


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