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Old 12-28-2010, 10:32 AM   #1
 
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Hey ladies! I've been doing some thinking. I like Kimmaytube. I'm not trying to knock her videos since I find them very informative. And her hair is simply beautiful. But..I have seen other naturals with just as much hair or longer, who probably could care less about the pH of any product they use on their hair.

Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?

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i think she is does the things that work for her hair and what she knows to work for her.
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I havent followed her hair growth at all so I couldnt say.

PS works for some and for some loose hair works. I think the key for a lot of people is a routine. Once you get a routine down pat , hair care becomes very easy.
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i think its a mixture of all those things. i dont think using only one particular "trend" will yield results - its all about balance and what your hair needs and that's whats been working for me.
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Hair grows because you are alive. No product--pH balanced or not--makes hair grow or ensures length retention. Product matters with respect to length retention but only in the sense that it facilitate good haircare techniques. Retaining the maximum amount of length is mostly due to technique. In my opinion, low manipulation and protective styling are the key to retaining length.
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I can't say because I haven't reall put it to the test. But I have now starting testing my butters and leave ins to find out the ph balance rate of it and including it in my YT videos I do. I think some people do want to know but for some it doesn't matter. For me I just can't say because I use so much stuff depending on the ingredients and not the ph levels
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I don't think PH really matters too much unless you're putting baking soda/vinegar on your hair everyday. According to her, castile soap isn't good to wash your hair with, but it's the only thing that cleanses my hair without making it feel gummy. I'm not about to stop washing my hair with it just because she advised against it.

I think everyone should do what works for them. While I think there should be some basic guidelines to hair health (such as not flat ironing your hair everyday), going super deep into the chemistry of everything is a bit unnecessary. Interesting, yes, at the end of the day, it's hair. It's dead cells. It's just hair.

As for what I think makes hair grow longer, genetics and products may play a role, but ultimately, it's up to what you DO with it. While quality products are important, no conditioner or shampoo in the world is going to save your hair from constant heat, chemicals, and being ripped out by a comb. I completely agree with fronomenal.

On a side note, kimmay just kind of rubs me the wrong way. While she does offer good advice, she comes off as a bit pretentious to me. Also, I thought it was humorous how she was trying to give advice on getting a husband past 30 when she doesn't even have a man herself...

But anyway, I'm probably just being a hater, so I'll just shut up now. =)
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I don't think PH really matters too much unless you're putting baking soda/vinegar on your hair everyday. According to her, castile soap isn't good to wash your hair with, but it's the only thing that cleanses my hair without making it feel gummy. I'm not about to stop washing my hair with it just because she advised against it.

I think everyone should do what works for them. While I think there should be some basic guidelines to hair health (such as not flat ironing your hair everyday), going super deep into the chemistry of everything is a bit unnecessary. Interesting, yes, at the end of the day, it's hair. It's dead cells. It's just hair.

As for what I think makes hair grow longer, genetics and products may play a role, but ultimately, it's up to what you DO with it. While quality products are important, no conditioner or shampoo in the world is going to save your hair from constant heat, chemicals, and being ripped out by a comb. I completely agree with fronomenal.

On a side note, kimmay just kind of rubs me the wrong way. While she does offer good advice, she comes off as a bit pretentious to me. Also, I thought it was humorous how she was trying to give advice on getting a husband past 30 when she doesn't even have a man herself...

But anyway, I'm probably just being a hater, so I'll just shut up now. =)
Hi Ladies! I totally agree with the above comments. @Indeed: She's married to a guy named Kevin. He has actually been in a couple of her earlier videos.

The reason I started this was because I was marveling at her hair growth. I've watched her progress over the last year, and I started thinking: maybe if I checked the pH of my products, or maybe if I use what she uses, or (fill in the blank) my hair will grow like that too! Then I stepped back into reality.

For me: I don't moisturize like I should, I use a sulfate shampoo at times..and the list goes on and on. Yet my hair grows fine and retains length. I do notice though that, even when I was relaxed, the key to me retaining mad length was low manipulative styles- rods, straw curls, braids, etc. I have never tested the pH of any product, I didn't care if it was 'all natural' or not as long as it worked, so on and so on. While I appreciate these YouTube gurus, I just kinda have to do what works for me. Trying to keep up with someones bandwagon and their progress will drive me insane!!
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Hair grows because you are alive. No product--pH balanced or not--makes hair grow or ensures length retention. Product matters with respect to length retention but only in the sense that it facilitate good haircare techniques. Retaining the maximum amount of length is mostly due to technique. In my opinion, low manipulation and protective styling are the key to retaining length.
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Kimmay routine is very simple to me; she's in twists most of the time and is very gentle to her hair ( I can't get with the 8 hour detangling session tho'. Give me a friggin' break.) She incorporated PH testing to find products that work for her instead of becoming a PJ.
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On a side note, kimmay just kind of rubs me the wrong way. While she does offer good advice, she comes off as a bit pretentious to me. Also, I thought it was humorous how she was trying to give advice on getting a husband past 30 when she doesn't even have a man herself...

But anyway, I'm probably just being a hater, so I'll just shut up now. =)
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I think finding and maintaining a consistent regimen has worked best for me in retaining length. Hair is going to grow all on its on. I don't mind kimmay's videos, but as others mentioned, she does what works best for her hair. Once you find out what works for you, the process becomes a lot easier and less time consuming IMO.
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I agree with Fronomenal - your hair is going to grow regardless of pH of products or protective styling. (Genetics and overall health may be the only things actually regulating growth.) Retaining length is a whole other can of worms though.

I also think if you read blogs and watch YouTube videos you see rapid growth before you eyes. You see before and after pictures and you can't help but ask what you're doing wrong - but you missed that the before picture was 4 years ago.

I still haven't mastered having healthy ends (without trimming) like I'd like. It's probably over manipulation on my part that causes breakage. I just watched a Kimmaytube video today and she says she gets little to no breakage. As a 4b, I'm always suspicious of kinky-curly girls who claim to not have any breakage. I can't even fathom it.
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@Indeed: She's married to a guy named Kevin. He has actually been in a couple of her earlier videos.
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She's married.
She is? I could've sworn that in her old advice video, she said she wasn't. Well, I stand corrected and feel silly for mentioning that now.

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I still haven't mastered having healthy ends (without trimming) like I'd like. It's probably over manipulation on my part that causes breakage. I just watched a Kimmaytube video today and she says she gets little to no breakage. As a 4b, I'm always suspicious of kinky-curly girls who claim to not have any breakage. I can't even fathom it.
That's where I have most of my trouble, too. Doesn't matter how much I baby the tips- they always get tangled or full of single strand knots. It's hard for me to imagine that some people never have breakage as well, but I'd believe it. They're lucky.
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I think Kimmaytube and others overtime have gotten to know their hair (porosity, hair thickness etc) and figure out what works for them (i.e. key to length retention). I think once that occurs, it becomes an easy routine as others have stated.
I don't knock Kimmaytube because her hair results speak loudly (and I've adopted some of her methods which work for retention)
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Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
I've never concerned myself with "pH balancing". Hair growth has a lot to do with genetics. My hair grows, it always has. I don't take hair vitamins (because I never noticed a significant difference when I tried them), and I don't always eat right. I have never noticed hair loss, or slow growth, because of my diet.

I think many natural haircare regimens are very complicated and I think that contributes to failure. It's why so many women try to go natural, over and over, and fail. They make it way too hard. You don't need Monistat to grow your hair. Seriously.

I lots of products, but my regimen is VERY simple. I think if more women would leave their hair alone (especially with tighter, more fragile hair textures), and stop trying to "do" so much to it, they'd experience the growth they desire. Now, that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to tell anybody how and what to do.

But if I did most of the stuff I read about, I'd be tired and sick of it all. I went natural to simplify. I did all that stuff when I was relaxed, cuz I had to try and keep the hair on my head.

I enjoy YouTube videos, for the sheer entertainment factor. I don't get any of my haircare tips from watching them, because by the time I discovered YouTube naturals, I was well into my natural hair journey.

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I havent followed her hair growth at all so I couldnt say.

PS works for some and for some loose hair works. I think the key for a lot of people is a routine. Once you get a routine down pat , hair care becomes very easy.
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Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
I've never concerned myself with "pH balancing". Hair growth has a lot to do with genetics. My hair grows, it always has. I don't take hair vitamins (because I never noticed a significant difference when I tried them), and I don't always eat right. I have never noticed hair loss, or slow growth, because of my diet.

I think many natural haircare regimens are very complicated and I think that contributes to failure. It's why so many women try to go natural, over and over, and fail. They make it way too hard. You don't need Monistat to grow your hair. Seriously.



I lots of products, but my regimen is VERY simple. I think if more women would leave their hair alone (especially with tighter, more fragile hair textures), and stop trying to "do" so much to it, they'd experience the growth they desire. Now, that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to tell anybody how and what to do.

But if I did most of the stuff I read about, I'd be tired and sick of it all. I went natural to simplify. I did all that stuff when I was relaxed, cuz I had to try and keep the hair on my head


I enjoy YouTube videos, for the sheer entertainment factor. I don't get any of my haircare tips from watching them, because by the time I discovered YouTube naturals, I was well into my natural hair journey.


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I havent followed her hair growth at all so I couldnt say.

PS works for some and for some loose hair works. I think the key for a lot of people is a routine. Once you get a routine down pat , hair care becomes very easy.
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AMEN! I totally agree! Like I said, simplicity is key. That, and plain old common sense, lol!
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Hey ladies! I've been doing some thinking. I like Kimmaytube. I'm not trying to knock her videos since I find them very informative. And her hair is simply beautiful. But..I have seen other naturals with just as much hair or longer, who probably could care less about the pH of any product they use on their hair.

Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
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I so agree with you - you could not have put it better: the videos and such got me through my transition but now that I know what works I refuse to spend hours on my hair....I just don't have the time.

I certainly respect kimmay and others who have provided such wonderful support for new and experienced naturals but as long as you don't terrorize your hair - it will grow.

There are 4 products in my routine and I couldn't be happier
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Hey ladies! I've been doing some thinking. I like Kimmaytube. I'm not trying to knock her videos since I find them very informative. And her hair is simply beautiful. But..I have seen other naturals with just as much hair or longer, who probably could care less about the pH of any product they use on their hair.

Which brings me to this question: Do you all think hair growth is due to certain products, pH balancing, protective styling or genetics?

I guess I'm just at the point where I'm tired of listening and following bandwagons that are kinda high maintanence, when simplicity is key. Ladies, what are your thoughts?
Those of us who are churchgoers are familiar with the expression "I need to give you an offering!"

I so agree with you - you could not have put it better: the videos and such got me through my transition but now that I know what works I refuse to spend hours on my hair....I just don't have the time.

I certainly respect kimmay and others who have provided such wonderful support for new and experienced naturals but as long as you don't terrorize your hair - it will grow.

There are 4 products in my routine and I couldn't be happier
And your hair looks beautiful! I just kinda feel like, while the videos are very informative on Youtube, I think some of us naturals have an unhealthy obsession with our hair, its texture and its length. Don't get me wrong, Its so refreshing to see so many of us embracing our natural textures, but all this hair typing, pH balancing, no-pooing stuff can be a little mind blowing and intimidating, especially to newbies like myself. I don't think its meant to be that way, but I've seen some people get discouraged by all of the blogs and videos out there. I've just learned that simplicity is what works for me and once I figured that my hair was just hair and wouldn't look like this person's, or that person's, I was much happier with it.
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I think as long as you keep you hair healthy and moisturized, it will grow BUT I'm not overly concerned about growing hair down to my waist though, so you can take my opinion as you will.

I love having natural hair because I think it's FUN! Watching the youtube videos about retaining length makes being natural seem more like work and dull as hell. Case in point: in a recent video of kimmaytube's she noted that it takes her 6 to 8 hours to detangle/shampoo/condition her hair, yet in a previous video she said something about she wears protective styles where her hair is hidden and tucked away like over 90% of the time... That sounds so unrewarding.

I would rather just make sure my hair is healthy AND if I'm going to do an extended detangling/shampoo session - best believe I'm going to flaunt my kinks and coils for all their worth!
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