Got Trim few weeks ago and still mini breakage, what to do?

Okay I finally got a trim.
Because I noticed a small trend when I combed my hair once a week. I would always find mini o rings (about 1/8 of inch in diameter) on the floor and counter top of the bathroom or where ever I styled/detangled my hair. I know I have excessively slow growing hair (about 1/4 inch) that why I reduce triming to once ever 6 months. But I have been realizing these o ring pieces and I think this is the culprit to why I have seen no length retention in over year and a half.

I think the trim may have help a bit it seem like less than before may be down to half or two thirds the amount (so about 8-15 pieces not accounting for what I don't notice when I wash) I only detangle once a week. But it has been a brutally dry winter where I am (I am in Canada) I know because I suffered a pretty bad eczema break.

These o rings are a major problem can any one make some solutions? I have started leaving the conditioner in and air drying till almost dry before styling and that maybe helping but it is to soon to tell for certain. I thinking I might get a few strands bleached so I can see what my hair growth actually is (never bleached though) But if my hair growth is 1/4 inch a month then…

What should I do to retain length?
(weaves, extension maybe)

How do I stop the o rings from happening?
(especially since the trimming didn't help, much)


I …
  • Use sulfate free shampoo.
  • Do oil rinses (reduces single strand knots)
  • Partly detangle in the shower
  • Now leave the conditioner in (moisturizing or normal).
  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
  • Was a transitioner (unknowingly) no big chop.
  • Seal hair with a light oil/butter combo.
  • Now seal ends with cones (seems to be working)
  • Got a healthy scalp according to a dermatologist
    (I may challenge that, but that's another topic)
  • Health diet even lost additional 5 pounds post workout
  • Haven't seen length retention in over year and a half
  • EL when really shrunken and just brush SL when stretched
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Okay I finally got a trim.
Because I noticed a small trend when I combed my hair once a week. I would always find mini o rings (about 1/8 of inch in diameter) on the floor and counter top of the bathroom or where ever I styled/detangled my hair. I know I have excessively slow growing hair (about 1/4 inch) that why I reduce triming to once ever 6 months. But I have been realizing these o ring pieces and I think this is the culprit to why I have seen no length retention in over year and a half.

I think the trim may have help a bit it seem like less than before may be down to half or two thirds the amount (so about 8-15 pieces not accounting for what I don't notice when I wash) I only detangle once a week. But it has been a brutally dry winter where I am (I am in Canada) I know because I suffered a pretty bad eczema break.

These o rings are a major problem can any one make some solutions? I have started leaving the conditioner in and air drying till almost dry before styling and that maybe helping but it is to soon to tell for certain. I thinking I might get a few strands bleached so I can see what my hair growth actually is (never bleached though) But if my hair growth is 1/4 inch a month then…

What should I do to retain length?
(weaves, extension maybe)

How do I stop the o rings from happening?
(especially since the trimming didn't help, much)


I …
  • Use sulfate free shampoo.
  • Do oil rinses (reduces single strand knots)
  • Partly detangle in the shower
  • Now leave the conditioner in (moisturizing or normal).
  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
  • Was a transitioner (unknowingly) no big chop.
  • Seal hair with a light oil/butter combo.
  • Now seal ends with cones (seems to be working)
  • Got a healthy scalp according to a dermatologist
    (I may challenge that, but that's another topic)
  • Health diet even lost additional 5 pounds post workout
  • Haven't seen length retention in over year and a half
  • EL when really shrunken and just brush SL when stretched
Originally Posted by hyspin
If you are having a breakage issues, bleaching your hair is only going to add to the problem. You should never chemically process hair that is breaking & splitting on its own.

Maybe you aren't handling your hair gently enough? Maybe you need to try new products?

You mentioned that the winter has been dry, & from your hair regimen, I don't see any moisturizers listed. I see conditioner, but I know that conditioner only isn't enough for my hair. You might be having the same problem. My advice is to find a good moisturizer. Maybe you can try the baggy method to see if it helps you out. I know some of the ladies can recommend good moisturizers. I'm not CG, so I never really do product recommendations.

Good luck!

Last edited by FoxyCleopatraGuide; 03-31-2011 at 11:47 AM.
Okay I finally got a trim.
Because I noticed a small trend when I combed my hair once a week. I would always find mini o rings (about 1/8 of inch in diameter) on the floor and counter top of the bathroom or where ever I styled/detangled my hair. I know I have excessively slow growing hair (about 1/4 inch) that why I reduce triming to once ever 6 months. But I have been realizing these o ring pieces and I think this is the culprit to why I have seen no length retention in over year and a half.

I think the trim may have help a bit it seem like less than before may be down to half or two thirds the amount (so about 8-15 pieces not accounting for what I don't notice when I wash) I only detangle once a week. But it has been a brutally dry winter where I am (I am in Canada) I know because I suffered a pretty bad eczema break.

These o rings are a major problem can any one make some solutions? I have started leaving the conditioner in and air drying till almost dry before styling and that maybe helping but it is to soon to tell for certain. I thinking I might get a few strands bleached so I can see what my hair growth actually is (never bleached though) But if my hair growth is 1/4 inch a month then…

What should I do to retain length?
(weaves, extension maybe)

How do I stop the o rings from happening?
(especially since the trimming didn't help, much)


I …
  • Use sulfate free shampoo.
  • Do oil rinses (reduces single strand knots)
  • Partly detangle in the shower
  • Now leave the conditioner in (moisturizing or normal).
  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
  • Was a transitioner (unknowingly) no big chop.
  • Seal hair with a light oil/butter combo.
  • Now seal ends with cones (seems to be working)
  • Got a healthy scalp according to a dermatologist
    (I may challenge that, but that's another topic)
  • Health diet even lost additional 5 pounds post workout
  • Haven't seen length retention in over year and a half
  • EL when really shrunken and just brush SL when stretched
Originally Posted by hyspin
If you are having a breakage issues, bleaching your hair is only going to add to the problem. You should never chemically process hair that is breaking & splitting on its own.

Maybe you aren't handling your hair gently enough? Maybe you need to try new products?

You mentioned that the winter has been dry, & from your hair regimen, I don't see any moisturizers listed. I see conditioner, but I know that conditioner only isn't enough for my hair. You might be having the same problem. My advice is to find a good moisturizer. Maybe you can try the baggy method to see if it helps you out. I know some of the ladies can recommend good moisturizers. I'm not CG, so I never really do product recommendations.

Good luck!
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Well I am very gentle I don't get that much shedding so I know that my technique is on the ball. As for moisture as mentioned before I use moisturizing conditioner as a leave in which is as a moisturizing as lotion. I also follow up with sealing the hair with oil and follow up with spritzing with water(rose water, glycerin) ad needed. This has solved my dryness issue. My not brittle nor course.

When I mention bleaching I wanted to do ten strands tops so that I can track growth via the darken roots. Not the whole head like you implying if you read my point carefully you would notice I said “I thinking I might get a few strands bleached” I just to see what the rate of growth per month. If you can suggest a better way to measure growth from the root I am all ears.

Well I am not big on product suggestions but techniques are always great. But hell why not what lotions can you suggest? Please note that I hate product buildup, I will not use any product that stinks, or has a lot alcohol or moisture strippers or changes the feel of my hair (making it rough, sticky, ridged or tacky). That's how a lot of products failed in the past.
Oh don't forget that I live in Canada so it has to be local last time I order skin product online duties and taxes bled me.
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Okay I finally got a trim.
Because I noticed a small trend when I combed my hair once a week. I would always find mini o rings (about 1/8 of inch in diameter) on the floor and counter top of the bathroom or where ever I styled/detangled my hair. I know I have excessively slow growing hair (about 1/4 inch) that why I reduce triming to once ever 6 months. But I have been realizing these o ring pieces and I think this is the culprit to why I have seen no length retention in over year and a half.

I think the trim may have help a bit it seem like less than before may be down to half or two thirds the amount (so about 8-15 pieces not accounting for what I don't notice when I wash) I only detangle once a week. But it has been a brutally dry winter where I am (I am in Canada) I know because I suffered a pretty bad eczema break.

These o rings are a major problem can any one make some solutions? I have started leaving the conditioner in and air drying till almost dry before styling and that maybe helping but it is to soon to tell for certain. I thinking I might get a few strands bleached so I can see what my hair growth actually is (never bleached though) But if my hair growth is 1/4 inch a month then…

What should I do to retain length?
(weaves, extension maybe)

How do I stop the o rings from happening?
(especially since the trimming didn't help, much)


I …
  • Use sulfate free shampoo.
  • Do oil rinses (reduces single strand knots)
  • Partly detangle in the shower
  • Now leave the conditioner in (moisturizing or normal).
  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
  • Was a transitioner (unknowingly) no big chop.
  • Seal hair with a light oil/butter combo.
  • Now seal ends with cones (seems to be working)
  • Got a healthy scalp according to a dermatologist
    (I may challenge that, but that's another topic)
  • Health diet even lost additional 5 pounds post workout
  • Haven't seen length retention in over year and a half
  • EL when really shrunken and just brush SL when stretched
Originally Posted by hyspin
If you are having a breakage issues, bleaching your hair is only going to add to the problem. You should never chemically process hair that is breaking & splitting on its own.

Maybe you aren't handling your hair gently enough? Maybe you need to try new products?

You mentioned that the winter has been dry, & from your hair regimen, I don't see any moisturizers listed. I see conditioner, but I know that conditioner only isn't enough for my hair. You might be having the same problem. My advice is to find a good moisturizer. Maybe you can try the baggy method to see if it helps you out. I know some of the ladies can recommend good moisturizers. I'm not CG, so I never really do product recommendations.

Good luck!
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Well I am very gentle I don't get that much shedding so I know that my technique is on the ball. As for moisture as mentioned before I use moisturizing conditioner as a leave in which is as a moisturizing as lotion. I also follow up with sealing the hair with oil and follow up with spritzing with water(rose water, glycerin) ad needed. This has solved my dryness issue. My not brittle nor course.

When I mention bleaching I wanted to do ten strands tops so that I can track growth via the darken roots. Not the whole head like you implying if you read my point carefully you would notice I said “I thinking I might get a few strands bleached” I just to see what the rate of growth per month. If you can suggest a better way to measure growth from the root I am all ears.

Well I am not big on product suggestions but techniques are always great. But hell why not what lotions can you suggest? Please note that I hate product buildup, I will not use any product that stinks, or has a lot alcohol or moisture strippers or changes the feel of my hair (making it rough, sticky, ridged or tacky). That's how a lot of products failed in the past.
Oh don't forget that I live in Canada so it has to be local last time I order skin product online duties and taxes bled me.
Originally Posted by hyspin
I didn't imply that you were going to bleach your entire head. Because hair sheds 50-100 hairs a day on average, those few strands could likely shed out or fall out from the bleaching process which is what I was trying to point out. I'd hate for you to do it in vain.

As far as suggestions for moisturizers, I use Carefree Curl Activator. It doesn't stink to me, but I don't know how you would feel about it. I know it is readily available in BSS & Drugstores here in the states. I buy things that are easy for me to access. I don't do online shopping for hair products. It has cones in it but you said you use cones, so shouldn't be an issue for you there. I don't have issues with build up either.
Maybe you need to do a protein treatment? I am also experiencing some breakage which I think is from a winter of over-moisturizing. Your hair needs a balance of protein and moisture and tipping the balance too much on either one will cause breakage. It seems like you are moisturizing your hair enough and you didn't mention protein so I think over-moisturized hair may be the culprit.

I wrote some articles on my blog about the importance of the moisture and protein balance and how to tell if your hair needs more moisture or more protein if you want to refer:

Precious Curls - Celebrate Natural Hair!: Moisture vs. Protein

Precious Curls - Celebrate Natural Hair!: Tip: The Wet Assessment

Hope that helped you hyspin!


  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
Originally Posted by hyspin
Am I reading this correctly? You detangle when (almost) dry? Dry detangling is just asking for pain and breakage.
Hair type: Mostly 3C, medium porosity to high porosity depending on the day, dense, fluffy, dry, tangly!





  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
Originally Posted by hyspin
Am I reading this correctly? You detangle when (almost) dry? Dry detangling is just asking for pain and breakage.
Originally Posted by nana_banana
True this! (sorry, it was late at night and I prob didn't catch this while I was reading) but when I even attempt to dry detangle I get tons of breakage ... you may also need to try wet or damp detangling.

If you are having a breakage issues, bleaching your hair is only going to add to the problem. You should never chemically process hair that is breaking & splitting on its own.

Maybe you aren't handling your hair gently enough? Maybe you need to try new products?

You mentioned that the winter has been dry, & from your hair regimen, I don't see any moisturizers listed. I see conditioner, but I know that conditioner only isn't enough for my hair. You might be having the same problem. My advice is to find a good moisturizer. Maybe you can try the baggy method to see if it helps you out. I know some of the ladies can recommend good moisturizers. I'm not CG, so I never really do product recommendations.

Good luck!
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Well I am very gentle I don't get that much shedding so I know that my technique is on the ball. As for moisture as mentioned before I use moisturizing conditioner as a leave in which is as a moisturizing as lotion. I also follow up with sealing the hair with oil and follow up with spritzing with water(rose water, glycerin) ad needed. This has solved my dryness issue. My not brittle nor course.

When I mention bleaching I wanted to do ten strands tops so that I can track growth via the darken roots. Not the whole head like you implying if you read my point carefully you would notice I said “I thinking I might get a few strands bleached” I just to see what the rate of growth per month. If you can suggest a better way to measure growth from the root I am all ears.

Well I am not big on product suggestions but techniques are always great. But hell why not what lotions can you suggest? Please note that I hate product buildup, I will not use any product that stinks, or has a lot alcohol or moisture strippers or changes the feel of my hair (making it rough, sticky, ridged or tacky). That's how a lot of products failed in the past.
Oh don't forget that I live in Canada so it has to be local last time I order skin product online duties and taxes bled me.
Originally Posted by hyspin
I didn't imply that you were going to bleach your entire head. Because hair sheds 50-100 hairs a day on average, those few strands could likely shed out or fall out from the bleaching process which is what I was trying to point out. I'd hate for you to do it in vain.

As far as suggestions for moisturizers, I use Carefree Curl Activator. It doesn't stink to me, but I don't know how you would feel about it. I know it is readily available in BSS & Drugstores here in the states. I buy things that are easy for me to access. I don't do online shopping for hair products. It has cones in it but you said you use cones, so shouldn't be an issue for you there. I don't have issues with build up either.
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Thanks I will definitely check it out.


  • style/detangle after almost dry, spritz when needed.
Originally Posted by hyspin
Am I reading this correctly? You detangle when (almost) dry? Dry detangling is just asking for pain and breakage.
Originally Posted by nana_banana
Yeah I get too much breakage when too wet so I detangle when the hair is slightly damp/almost dry and spritz if needed but lately I don't need to because the hair stays damp through the whole process. I think I have found the happy medium.
Maybe you need to do a protein treatment? I am also experiencing some breakage which I think is from a winter of over-moisturizing. Your hair needs a balance of protein and moisture and tipping the balance too much on either one will cause breakage. It seems like you are moisturizing your hair enough and you didn't mention protein so I think over-moisturized hair may be the culprit.

I wrote some articles on my blog about the importance of the moisture and protein balance and how to tell if your hair needs more moisture or more protein if you want to refer:

Precious Curls - Celebrate Natural Hair!: Moisture vs. Protein

Precious Curls - Celebrate Natural Hair!: Tip: The Wet Assessment

Hope that helped you hyspin!
Originally Posted by Mz.Preciosa
Yeah I did a protein treatment a week before the trim

But your articles will definitely be useful, I originally heard about the concept of protein moisture balance from the blog “Mane and Chic” I don't need to do it too often except summers when the humidity is through the roof. I love summer

But maybe I will try your assessment ( when wet) because my hair has a lot if bounce back when dry and maybe I am not seeing a deeper issue. Thanks I will fit a try tomorrow.

Last edited by hyspin; 04-02-2011 at 03:41 PM.

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