New to Curltalk - Help w/ 4b-c hair

Hi all,

I'm new to the site.I have been doing alot of reading and find myself a little bit overwhelmed. I BC'd in nov 2009. I did it myself by whipping out my husbands clippers and going to town. I couldn't make it even so I shaved it all off until I was nearly bald.
I was cool with that I just wore big earrings and more make up. I didn't know about naturally curly at that time and didn't really have a clue what to do with my hair.

As it started growning it i began wrestling with it and a pick in the morning. And eventually it seemed long enough to push back with a headband and wear in a puff. I'm generally cool with that but its so dry and the breakage I'm getting is crazy. My hair is everywhere it worse than having a cat. Also my sister told me that I'm looking like cornel west and while I admire many things about him , his hair is not one of them.

So i'm really happy to have found this site . It's got great info but for someone like me who has no idea what to really do with some of these products it can be a challenge.

Today I co-washed my hair with mixed chicks deep conditioner, detangled in the shower with that. Then put is miss jessie curly pudding. I'm not exactly sure what I should be expecting from this combination or if I should have put something else in it before i put in the curly pudding. And when it finally dries am I supposed to use yet another product to style it ?

should I be styling is while it wet or should I let it dry?I honestly have not a clue. I never did my hair growing up. I was always told it was too thick for me to manage even when it was relaxed. Incollege I just used my little bit of money from my part time job to go to the hairdresser every two weeks. I wasn't trying to do anything other than comb it.


I've just order a bunch of products from curlmart and I don't want to waste my money so I figure I get some clarity before doing any more experiments.

Items purchased:
jessicurl weekly deeptreatment
Jessicurl aloeba daily conditioner
kinky Curly curling custard
Knot today

Any advice or direction you can offer will be greatly appreciated. What I'm hoping to achive is soft healthy curls and eventually some length.
Welcome

You should do a search for building a hair regimen and check out the 4a/b Guide to Basic Hair thread in the 4b section. Learning about the porosity of your hair my help you determine whether to apply products to wet or dry hair.

Basically you need a moisturizer, cleanser and conditioner. Since your hair is very dry maybe you should try using the deep treatment once a week for 30 minutes or so under a shower cap. A lot of people use a cheap conditioner mixed with some oils to detangle, then co-wash or shampoo, followed by deep conditioning. After the conditioner is washed out add leave-in moisturizer and seal the ends with an oil.

I know nothing about gels or curly puddings, so hopefully someone else will respond.
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Hi all,

I'm new to the site.I have been doing alot of reading and find myself a little bit overwhelmed. I BC'd in nov 2009. I did it myself by whipping out my husbands clippers and going to town. I couldn't make it even so I shaved it all off until I was nearly bald.
I was cool with that I just wore big earrings and more make up. I didn't know about naturally curly at that time and didn't really have a clue what to do with my hair.

As it started growning it i began wrestling with it and a pick in the morning And eventually it seemed long enough to push back with a headband and wear in a puff. I'm generally cool with that but its so dry and the breakage I'm getting is crazy. My hair is everywhere it worse than having a cat. Also my sister told me that I'm looking like cornel west and while I admire many things about him , his hair is not one of them.

So i'm really happy to have found this site . It's got great info but for someone like me who has no idea what to really do with some of these products it can be a challenge.

Today I co-washed my hair with mixed chicks deep conditioner, detangled in the shower with that. Then put is miss jessie curly pudding. I'm not exactly sure what I should be expecting from this combination or if I should have put something else in it before i put in the curly pudding. And when it finally dries am I supposed to use yet another product to style it ?

should I be styling is while it wet or should I let it dry?I honestly have not a clue. I never did my hair growing up. I was always told it was too thick for me to manage even when it was relaxed. Incollege I just used my little bit of money from my part time job to go to the hairdresser every two weeks. I wasn't trying to do anything other than comb it.


I've just order a bunch of products from curlmart and I don't want to waste my money so I figure I get some clarity before doing any more experiments.

Items purchased:
jessicurl weekly deeptreatment
Jessicurl aloeba daily conditioner
kinky Curly curling custard
Knot today

Any advice or direction you can offer will be greatly appreciated. What I'm hoping to achive is soft healthy curls and eventually some length.
Originally Posted by FelixHyl
Welcome OP,


You mentioned that you picked your hair out in the morning - is this what you do each day? If so I would strongly advise against picking your hair out daily, that is way too much manipulation for fragile 4b strands. It could be part of why you are experiencing breakage

Secondly, you mentioned that you wear puffs, is this the only hair style you wear? Is your hair always worn out meaning that you never wear two strand twists or braids/buns etc? Most 4bs wear some sort of style that protects the ends of their hair or at least helps them avoid manipulating their hair daily and keep moisture in their hair. Hair worn out is open to damage from the elements and could explain the dryness you are experiencing.

With products - your selections are alien to me as a 4b. My main concern is moisture, moisture retention and strengthening i.e balancing protein and moisture. I don't tend to use custards, gels or any curl definers because my hair is not traditionally curly. There is nothing bigger than a penspring/coffee stirrer, o shapes in my head and it follows an irregular pattern. It does not clump in any uniform way. The strands do their own thing for the most part.

I use

wash day:

- Oil Rinse (to combat dryness) Hairveda Cocasta Shikakai oil.
- Deep Conditioner (either Crown Pride Tucuma mask for moisture or Hairveda Methi Sativa Step 1 for protein/strengthening)
- Leave in - something I think I can do without because they do little for me but I have used Sheamoisture shea butter leave in (best I've used) Darcy's Peach Kernal (better for refreshing old dry twists than on wash day/wet hair) and Curl Junkie Beauticurls leave-in (again not great for me)
-moisturiser - Qhemet Biologics Burdock Root Cream. It's creamy based and I find it moisturises my hair a bit longer than leave-ins and sprays.
- Seal - Hairveda Cocasta Shikaikai oil - I use oil to seal the moisture into my hair as the last step in my routine. It's quite a thick oil. The purpose is to trap moisture in the hair and protect the hair from the elements.

I damp style now since wet hair is much weaker and for me harder to style than damp hair. I see people say they wet style and some say they wait until their hair is 80% dry.

After wash day I will spritz my hair throughout the week when I need moisture with a moisture spray and seal with the same oil. Some people make their own spritzes with plain or distilled water, an oil of their choice and glycerin (depending on climate) while some people buy them. I use Crown Pride Tucuma spray but those in the US seem to like Oyin Handmade's sprays among others. For 4bs, sprays refresh and add moisture to the hair between washing. I try to shampoo once a month or as needed to remove product build up with shampoo. it's usually a clarifying one. I don't shampoo weekly because it is very very drying. I also live in a hard water area which can affect your hair.

I tend to assess what my hair wants on wash day now rather than following a rigid routine.

Here is a link to a woman who writes informative articles on hair. It might help you to understand what you could need for your hair. Hair Regimen Building for Newbies - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

Her info is geared towards those who relax but can be applied to anyone regardless of hair/product choices (you can still use curly girl/natural products and ignore her lists). I would also advise that you check out her protein/moisture article The Fine Art of Protein and Moisture Balancing for Black Hair Care - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com. Good luck.
What helped and continue to help me through my natural hair journey is Youtube. You can search keywords such as "natural hair", "twa", "6 months natural", "two-strand twist", etc.

Hope this helps! =)

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I agree with P2D when she stated that all you really need is a cleanser, conditioner and a moisturizer. I would also add to that some type of oil to help seal in the moisture once you've moisturized your hair. Note, these products may change due to the seasons or the climate where you live.

I also agree with SmartKitty with not picking out your hair everyday. I tried to use a pick in my hair when it was shorter to make my 'fro more even. But, all that did was cause my hair to tangle and eventually break. So, I no longer use a pick in my hair. The only time when I use a comb in my hair is to detangle on wash day. Other than that, the only tool I use for my hair are my fingers.

Another thing I would suggest to you would be to try and find a natural hair support group in your area. This can also be a great help for you if you ever get frustrated or discouraged during your journey (we all have at some point.) But, the most important thing to remember is you have to use/do what's best for your hair. Good luck

Hi Ladies,

Thanks so much for the support and information. I think you're right that picking my hair out the cause of alot of problems and I plan on limiting that going forward. I do sometimes 2 strand twist but find that it takes me for ever, but with a bit more regular practice I should get faster so I'm going to keep at it.

Also smartkitty mention the effect of hard water and how that could cause dryness and our water is extremely hard. Should I use a clarifing shampoo or treatment to help with that ?

Thanks again ladies.
I know a lot of ladies talk about using a shower head with a water softener built in. That may be something to look into. You could pick one up from Lowe's, Home Depot or any home improvement store. It may be possibly cheaper on the net. Just shop around and good luck!!

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