Cassia= stronger, curlier, but DRY....

HI Everyone:

I know there is the Henna sticky, but I have read thru lots of it, and havent seen the answer to this...I used cassia, mixed with amla, evoo and agave nectar, left it on my hair for 4 hrs, rinsed, cowashed and deep condished, and my hair is definitely coily-er, more elastic and defined, but it feels dry...I am wondering should I do a cassia "gloss" and use a conditioner as the base instead of green tea for the mix? or should I leave it on for less time? When I went to Butala Emporium and bought my powders the lady at the counter thought 4 hrs was excessive...4a wisdom, pls chime in...thanks in advance- BTW this was my 2nd treatment. I have been doing it every two weeks. If I overlooked the answer in the henna sticky, please feel free to post the link. Gracias!
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Two things - Did you DC after?
Also, green tea is pretty acidic, and can be drying. Maybe you should try plain water or use conditioner.
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I've tried to use cassia twice and each time I vow I'll never do it again. I prepoo with oils AND DC after for hours and hours and my ALWAYS feels like the nappiest hair on earth. like brillo. I'll never do it again. Instead I use Brahmi powder mixed with oils and conditioner for my ayurvedic treatments. My hair prefers it.
Two things - Did you DC after?
Also, green tea is pretty acidic, and can be drying. Maybe you should try plain water or use conditioner.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
EXACTLY THIS!!!
(Elle get out of my head)
Thanks Ladies: @ Elle + coilynap- yup, DC'ed all night long with curl rehab! Will ditch the green tea next time, and go with a water/condish base instead. @ Hairguru-my hair was definitely a bit hard, but it bounces back after the next wash...I love the effects. I don't see much diff in shine, but the coilyness of it is great! Also better clumpage, and more elasticity. Will let you guys know how it goes after the next treatment. I am due in about a week
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at least you didn't use lemon juice like i did just yikes. it took weeks to recover

i still have cassia remaining but I think i'll try water & conditioner next time too.
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Amla is acidic, I didn't know green tea was. I just learned something new!

I only leave mine on for about 30 mins and I mix mine with plain water. Though I always add amla to mine, plus I added some oils and creamed honey to my mix yesterday. My hair felt good!

Eh you might have to rinse your hair again, maybe there is some that's still left behind.
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Amla is acidic, I didn't know green tea was. I just learned something new!

I only leave mine on for about 30 mins and I mix mine with plain water. Though I always add amla to mine, plus I added some oils and creamed honey to my mix yesterday. My hair felt good!

Eh you might have to rinse your hair again, maybe there is some that's still left behind.
Originally Posted by empressri
Yea girl, I started testing the pH to all of my special little mixes, because some can get quite low and when it's really low my hair gets p.o.ed.
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I stopped using teas for my henna and cassia mixes for that reason. I use a little amla in mine because I have some temperamental curls (the looser ones) and the last thing I want to do is lose them - even if the results is temporary.

When I switched from green and hibiscus tea and just use plain water, my hair no longer took days to recover.
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I've always had to deep condition and make sure to rinse a few times to make sure it doesn't feel drying.
My hair bounces back, too, but the one-2 days of hard hair isn't worth it to me. I'm trying to listen to my hair. When it doesn't love something, I move on.

If you still wnat to give it another whirl, perhaps you should consider changing brands? I've used the rainbow brand cassia because that's the only brand my local health food store sells. I've heard rainbow is the worst and the twiggiegst which could probably be the reason for my hard hair even after major DCing. What brand do you use? I've heard Jamila or something like that is much better. Good Luck@
OP, I have also tried cassia twice (only mixed with warm water, 4 weeks apart) and my hair was very dry, but stronger. I also dc'd overnight. My hair texture changed to somewhat more coarser/drier hair, but more durable.
The next time I will try a cassia gloss for that purpose. Before, all I needed was a little Suave's coconut to my hair and my hair was somewhat conditioned. Now, I have to add everything and the kitchen sink to get moisturized hair. I'm still looking for better moisturizers after cassia.
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My hair bounces back, too, but the one-2 days of hard hair isn't worth it to me. I'm trying to listen to my hair. When it doesn't love something, I move on.

If you still wnat to give it another whirl, perhaps you should consider changing brands? I've used the rainbow brand cassia because that's the only brand my local health food store sells. I've heard rainbow is the worst and the twiggiegst which could probably be the reason for my hard hair even after major DCing. What brand do you use? I've heard Jamila or something like that is much better. Good Luck@
Originally Posted by Hairguru17
Maybe thats what I need to do too, mine is the rainbow too.
My hair bounces back, too, but the one-2 days of hard hair isn't worth it to me. I'm trying to listen to my hair. When it doesn't love something, I move on.

If you still wnat to give it another whirl, perhaps you should consider changing brands? I've used the rainbow brand cassia because that's the only brand my local health food store sells. I've heard rainbow is the worst and the twiggiegst which could probably be the reason for my hard hair even after major DCing. What brand do you use? I've heard Jamila or something like that is much better. Good Luck@
Originally Posted by Hairguru17
I posted many times here how horrible Rainbow brand is. That is truly the worst henna type product to use IMO and I have used many over the years - even in the early '90s when I was pressed.
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OP -- I've been using the USDA Certified Organic Cassia Obovata from Henna Sooq for 7 months now and haven't had your same experiences but I'd have to agree, it may be the brand you're using.

I only use boiling water in my powder, MAYBE some EVOO to smooth out the mix and let it sit for like 3 hours or so before application. I then allow the mix to sit on my hair for 2-4 hours because according to Henna Sooq, there will be a slight color uptake in doing so (not henna red, but a brownish color).

Rinsing is pretty easy too, so again, it well may be the brand. I agree with you, though, my hair feels "stronger" but "different" after the treatment, but after DC'ing, it's fine.
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Thanks for all the wisdom. I used Rainbow as well, and that may well be the reason. It is trashed, never to return! I now have cassia from Hennasooq.com on deck and waiting for the next treatment. I will ditch the tea, and I think I will decrease the time to 3 hr, and use a water/condish base. May also make the "batter" thinner....
Hair type-BC: 2/2011-mix of kinks+ coils
Wash-Bobeam Poo bars, As I Am Cleansing Pudding and Coconut Cowash cleansing condish
LI/RO-Curl Junkie rehab, Shescentit Avocado condish, Oyin Hair dew
DT-KBB Luscious Locks, Curl Junkie ANYthing, Shescentit Avocado condish
Style- UFD, As I Am Curling Gelly,
Sealant- Castor, sweet almond oil,Hairveda Vegetal soya oil KBB hair cream
Will try any CG product at least once.
Proud to be a PJ!

OP, I have also tried cassia twice (only mixed with warm water, 4 weeks apart) and my hair was very dry, but stronger. I also dc'd overnight. My hair texture changed to somewhat more coarser/drier hair, but more durable.
The next time I will try a cassia gloss for that purpose. Before, all I needed was a little Suave's coconut to my hair and my hair was somewhat conditioned. Now, I have to add everything and the kitchen sink to get moisturized hair. I'm still looking for better moisturizers after cassia.
Originally Posted by freecurl
This is the exact same reaction of my hair after henna. I don't want to stop because it makes it so much stronger, but I am finding now that my fail-safe conditioners no longer work. I have ordered some My Honeychild- Olive You, and some Curl Junkie stuff which I hear people sing the praises of. Hopefully one of these will work for me!
Products in current rotation:

Terressentials Pure Earth Mud Wash; Elucence MBC (now really just for cowashing, leg shaving or emergencies); Curl Junkie: Repair Me, Deep Fix, Curl Rehab; AOHSR (retiring); Oyin Handmade: Honey Hemp, Hair Dew, J&B; Qhemet Biologics: BRBC (retiring- prefer Oyin HD), AOHC, OHHB; Jojoba Oil for scalp; Castor Oil or Shea butter to seal; Henna & Ayurvedic pastes when I can be bothered.

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Thanks for all the wisdom. I used Rainbow as well, and that may well be the reason. It is trashed, never to return! I now have cassia from Hennasooq.com on deck and waiting for the next treatment. I will ditch the tea, and I think I will decrease the time to 3 hr, and use a water/condish base. May also make the "batter" thinner....
Originally Posted by pjjosephgiss
i ONLY use cassia from hennasooq..and now her amla. i actually have a little hennasooq stash of her oils and a facial mud which i LOVE...

dont make it too thin! it will be drippy and flying everything and you'll be pissed.

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Ok I'm kinda late but I have been using Ankara and Brahmin together but I use conditioner as my base and I love it better than when I use just water. Myhajr is curlier and I'm getting more clumping which I need to do today but so busy with final. Try it with conditioner I like that better.

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Just wondering... the cassia users, how have you felt that cassia has made your hair "stronger"? Does it act like a PT, or coat the hair and make the individual strands thicker?

I'm really interested in doing a cassia treatment to add a tiny bit of color to some silvers but also as a treatment for the rest of my hair. I have very fine hair and would look forward to adding a bit of weight or width thickness to it. I'm also curious about other effects if any... shine, change in color of hair if any, change in curl pattern.
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