What do you consider curly hair??

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If i had a penny for every time someone gushed over my parents' and brother's hair then went at me, I'd be super rich.
Originally Posted by P.P.
My sister has 4a/3c hair and when we were younger people 'gushed' over her hair too. They didn't use the term 'good hair' they would say that she had 'nice hair'. I remember someone asking 'how comes your sister has Indian hair and you don't?' I laughed because I found that question really funny. After I finished laughing I explained that we're from Nigeria so my sister doesn't have 'Indian hair'.

I grew up as a tomboy so I was never concerned with looking pretty as a child. I was always happy when my sister got compliments about her hair and I never felt any envy or resentment. Furthermore, my family never implied that my sisters hair was better so I always loved my 4b hair (even in the days that I didn't know how to manage it).

Last edited by AlikaIssa; 05-28-2011 at 09:26 PM. Reason: clarification
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Yeah.. now I'm hungry too. UGH!
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Last edited by P.P.; 05-28-2011 at 09:57 PM.
I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
4a/b isn't hard to manage once you know how to do it. It takes some practice, but once you know what you're doing it's not hard.

I love doing hair, it's a hobby of mine so I always look forward to doing my 4b hair. For me it's a lot of fun!
Originally Posted by AlikaIssa
my revelations were using enough conditioner, wetting my hair more regularly and gentle-handling.

when i waited for the weekend and kept it dry too long, it was much harder, even when spraying it in between days.

also for years, I was under-applying conditioner...using a silver dollar amount (what I'd learned from the hairdressers) when I really needed handfuls to cover all of my hair.
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Personally, any hair that's not straight. This includes wavy hair, coily hair, kinky hair, nappy hair etc. etc. All of these descriptions are in the curly hair umbrella , just referred to by different names to further enhance the description of one's hair.
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what do you mean by wrong wrong words, just curious

i depends on my mood and the style but when i do twists outs or whatev, i call my hair "curly"
when its in it natural state, i call it "kinky" b/c it literally "is."

I dont really care what people call my hair or others as long as its not mean or demeaning, though occassionally i will correct people who are using the wrong words.
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Originally Posted by chameleonrose
by "wrong words" i mean like if someone refers to my hair as nappy then i will say, no its kinky or curly, or if someone says "i like your hair in an afro like this" then ill correct them and say "thank you but this is a twistout"
it all about personal comfort and preference. i dont mean that there are universally wrong words to use, but that to me, certain words are better to use than others

thats all
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I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
4a/b isn't hard to manage once you know how to do it. It takes some practice, but once you know what you're doing it's not hard.

I love doing hair, it's a hobby of mine so I always look forward to doing my 4b hair. For me it's a lot of fun!
Originally Posted by AlikaIssa
+1

Whatever your curl pattern, once you truly accept that your hair isn't like anyone else's, managing the hair becomes a bit easier.
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To me tangles=nappy

But yeah I understand cause "your tangled hair a$$" don't hit as hard as "with your nappy headed a$$"

But that's cause WE allowed ourselves to think our hair was BAD HAIR


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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
Exactly. It grates my nerves when black people have "accepted" that our hair is "less." Who does that? "Yea, I'm black so my hair sucks...*kicks pebble*"

In the truest sense of the word, nappy is not bad (by definition it means tightly curled), but society has turned it into something negative, which is why my dislike of the word depends on how I know ppl are using it. If someone on NP calls my hair nappy, I don't mind, because I know what they mean. But if someone says, "OMG your hair is so nappy why don't you relax it?" it's time for a sit down.
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Princeton killed me with the "your tangled hair @$$" ! Lol!!!



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I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
4a/b isn't hard to manage once you know how to do it. It takes some practice, but once you know what you're doing it's not hard.

I love doing hair, it's a hobby of mine so I always look forward to doing my 4b hair. For me it's a lot of fun!
Originally Posted by AlikaIssa
+1

Whatever your curl pattern, once you truly accept that your hair isn't like anyone else's, managing the hair becomes a bit easier.
Originally Posted by forbee
Thank you! IMO the biggest hurdle is psycho-social. The hair itself isn't even an issue now with all of the info and technique advice floating around.

The thing for me was knowing that even at its conditioned, trimmed , styled best, a certain segment of the population is still going to be like 'euw' while drooling over my family's 'curly' hair. First, It was my bro and 'rents.. Now it's my children(which I really cringe for them to hear crap like that)...me and my poor husband are like :/.

On the positive side, I do get compliments too but from a totally different crowd.


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I really only see hair as straight, wavy, and curly. If it's not pin straight, then wavy, if it actually forms a complete loop at the ends, then curly. I don't see what some of you call kinky as being different from curly, it's just another type in the wide range of types of hair that exist.

My mom decided it was a good idea to cut my hair 1" long all over my head when I was 11 and had a mini Afro for awhile. She never touched my hair again! It was a frizzy mess, and could definitely have been described as nappy after I grew it out, there were entire weeks that I didn't brush it.


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I consider textured hair to either be kinky or curly. Curly being hair that loops to form obvious curls or ringlets and the curl pattern is very loose when soaking wet. Kinky hair forms more of a crinkle, is coiled or has no defined pattern and when wet is still very tightly textured.

I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management. I don't see one as being better then the other they are just different types of hair. I sometimes feel that some people prefer the term curly over kinky due to negative connotations geared towards black hair in the past. There is nothing wrong with the word kinky or the hair that it describes.

Last edited by mellowgirl09; 06-03-2011 at 01:41 AM.
I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
4a/b isn't hard to manage once you know how to do it. It takes some practice, but once you know what you're doing it's not hard.

I love doing hair, it's a hobby of mine so I always look forward to doing my 4b hair. For me it's a lot of fun!
Originally Posted by AlikaIssa
Oh my goodness YES. I know so many black women (some relaxed, some fellow naturals) who have looked at my hair after I've washed/moisturized it and are all "Wow you have good hair" and I'm just like "No, I just know how to take care of it." I see girls all the time with their afros where I can tell what their hair needs just by looking at it; more moisture, maybe a protein treatment, a trim. If more women stayed on top of their hair instead of putting their trust into people whose hair is nothing like their own who are taught that our hair=bad, then of course your hair will look healthier or "better". But don't tell me that my hair is more curly or "good" compared to yours when yours could be the exact same way if you tried. Better yet, appreciate what you got, so that when you do start taking better care of your hair and it doesn't suddenly turn into Kelis' worthy curls, you won't feel as if your hair is anything less than amazing.

And I'm not talking about women who genuinely don't know about all the things they can do with natural hair. But even then a google search would do them wonders.

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I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
4a/b isn't hard to manage once you know how to do it. It takes some practice, but once you know what you're doing it's not hard.

I love doing hair, it's a hobby of mine so I always look forward to doing my 4b hair. For me it's a lot of fun!
Originally Posted by AlikaIssa
Oh my goodness YES. I know so many black women (some relaxed, some fellow naturals) who have looked at my hair after I've washed/moisturized it and are all "Wow you have good hair" and I'm just like "No, I just know how to take care of it." I see girls all the time with their afros where I can tell what their hair needs just by looking at it; more moisture, maybe a protein treatment, a trim. If more women stayed on top of their hair instead of putting their trust into people whose hair is nothing like their own who are taught that our hair=bad, then of course your hair will look healthier or "better". But don't tell me that my hair is more curly or "good" compared to yours when yours could be the exact same way if you tried. Better yet, appreciate what you got, so that when you do start taking better care of your hair and it doesn't suddenly turn into Kelis' worthy curls, you won't feel as if your hair is anything less than amazing.

And I'm not talking about women who genuinely don't know about all the things they can do with natural hair. But even then a google search would do them wonders.
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Yeah, a lot of my friends (and even some family members) have said "I would go natural if my hair was like yours" and I always tell them that it's all down to the way that I care for my hair. On a number of occasions I have had to pull out some old pictures to show them what my hair was like before I knew how to care for it. They are always amazed at the difference.
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I consider textured hair to either be kinky or curly. Curly being hair that loops to form obvious curls or ringlets and the curl pattern is very loose when soaking wet. Kinky hair forms more of a crinkle, is coiled or has no defined pattern and when wet is still very tightly textured.

I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management. I don't see one as being better then the other they are just different types of hair. I sometimes feel that some people prefer the term curly over kinky due to negative connotations geared towards black hair in the past. There is nothing wrong with the word kinky or the hair that it describes.
Originally Posted by mellowgirl09
I grew up in London and when I was growing up the word 'kinky' was not used to describe hair.

The only people I heard using the word 'kinky' were perverts ("I wanna do kinky things to you") so I never use the word 'kinky' to describe my hair.
I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
Just not feeling the bolded words to describe 4a/b hair... just sayin!
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I honestly can't imagine the regiment for 4a/4b

....LMAO Cause I really have no clue about the 1/23abc thing....

But 4a/b seems like hell to manage and keep each curl separated, and detangling got to be a monster, and I already dislike the time I have to take with mine.

I think Corbin Bleu has that type LMAO cause he's the only curly head guy NaturallyCurly.com seems to promote.

But how can a person say that the most curliest hair is not curly? LOL

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Originally Posted by PRINCETON
Just not feeling the bolded words to describe 4a/b hair... just sayin!
Originally Posted by Boyhead
Hey Boyhead,

I don't think that he meant any harm by it. Some people just do not realise how easy it can be to manage 4a/b hair.

Furthermore, Princeton posted a pic of his hair the following thread http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ictures-2.html

So I'm sure that he doesn't have anything against 4b hair

I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management.
Originally Posted by mellowgirl09
I think I'm going to have to disagree. My hair which this site defines as curly kinky is way easier to manage than my daughters loosely curled hair. And as far as styling is concerned we have a lot of similar issues and our hair likes similar products. Her dad is a wavy and we all pretty much used the same stuff on our hair. There is just this misconception that 3c/4a/4b is a whole different animal from "actual curly hair" and that's not always true.

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I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management.
Originally Posted by mellowgirl09
I think I'm going to have to disagree. My hair which this site defines as curly kinky is way easier to manage than my daughters loosely curled hair. And as far as styling is concerned we have a lot of similar issues and our hair likes similar products. Her dad is a wavy and we all pretty much used the same stuff on our hair. There is just this misconception that 3c/4a/4b is a whole different animal from "actual curly hair" and that's not always true.

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Originally Posted by subbrock
subbrock, I agree with you 100%. I'm not sure when I turned into a white woman, but today I used AG Re: Coil and Curl Keeper (which is a rave combo on this site for a lot of 2c/3a/3b ladies) on my hair, and it's bangin! Heavier products that are used by a lot of ladies with tighter curls (like Qhemet AOHC) do not usually work for me b/c they are too thick and my hair won't absorb them.

I really wish we would stop acting like our hair lives on another planet. Yes, sometimes the needs are totally different, but depending on your hair's properties, this is not always true.
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I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management.
Originally Posted by mellowgirl09
I think I'm going to have to disagree. My hair which this site defines as curly kinky is way easier to manage than my daughters loosely curled hair. And as far as styling is concerned we have a lot of similar issues and our hair likes similar products. Her dad is a wavy and we all pretty much used the same stuff on our hair. There is just this misconception that 3c/4a/4b is a whole different animal from "actual curly hair" and that's not always true.

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Originally Posted by subbrock
I didn't say type 4 hair was harder to style then type 3 hair, I just said it was different. My family's hair textures run from naturally straight to kinky and everything in between. I'm very familiar with the different hair types and the methods needed to maintain each of them. My type 3 hair doesn't respond to styling tools, products or techniques the same as my sister who has type 4 hair. Like I said one isn't easier or better then the other but they are different, respond different and look different.
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I think that there is an obvious difference between the two hair types as far as styling and management.
Originally Posted by mellowgirl09
I think I'm going to have to disagree. My hair which this site defines as curly kinky is way easier to manage than my daughters loosely curled hair. And as far as styling is concerned we have a lot of similar issues and our hair likes similar products. Her dad is a wavy and we all pretty much used the same stuff on our hair. There is just this misconception that 3c/4a/4b is a whole different animal from "actual curly hair" and that's not always true.

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Originally Posted by subbrock
subbrock, I agree with you 100%. I'm not sure when I turned into a white woman, but today I used AG Re: Coil and Curl Keeper (which is a rave combo on this site for a lot of 2c/3a/3b ladies) on my hair, and it's bangin! Heavier products that are used by a lot of ladies with tighter curls (like Qhemet AOHC) do not usually work for me b/c they are too thick and my hair won't absorb them.

I really wish we would stop acting like our hair lives on another planet. Yes, sometimes the needs are totally different, but depending on your hair's properties, this is not always true.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
What is so wrong with being different? I would never compare the needs of my hair to a woman with naturally straight hair nor would I attempt to say that it looks the same. There are many different types of hair and honestly I would like to see more women with kinky or coily hair own that and be proud not try to group their hair type with a one that is different. Kinky hair is beautiful but it is not curly.

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