Questions For Elle About Hair..HELP!

Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
What did you shampoo with? I shampoo weekly, but what I use may not be stripping enough for my hair. Curious.

Did you see my last post about butters?

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As an aside, how do you check for dew points? I looked on Weather.com and typed in my zip code, but didn't find dew point info. I Googled it, but it it gave a map of the US in very general terms, not specific locations...
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It'll never happen @itsKelCeeEee, I'm too much of a jerk and don't hand hold enough.

41 is a great dew. I'm jelly.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
LOL. Heaven forbid someone expect others to try and think for themselves or at least PRETEND to take your advice, right?

And oh god, don't be. Because I'm going back to Virginia Sunday for the summer and the dew's gonna be in the high 60s. Do you happen to know of any good OTG leave-ins that I could use?

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It'll never happen @itsKelCeeEee, I'm too much of a jerk and don't hand hold enough.

41 is a great dew. I'm jelly.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
LOL. Heaven forbid someone expect others to try and think for themselves or at least PRETEND to take your advice, right?

And oh god, don't be. Because I'm going back to Virginia Sunday for the summer and the dew's gonna be in the high 60s. Do you happen to know of any good OTG leave-ins that I could use?
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Well where are you? I have leave ins I can get on the ground but they aren't drugstore brands. I can use Curls or the Shea Moisture Shea Butter LI. But on OTG I'll just use some jojoba oil + IC Fantasia or AV gel.
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It'll never happen @itsKelCeeEee, I'm too much of a jerk and don't hand hold enough.

41 is a great dew. I'm jelly.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
LOL. Heaven forbid someone expect others to try and think for themselves or at least PRETEND to take your advice, right?

And oh god, don't be. Because I'm going back to Virginia Sunday for the summer and the dew's gonna be in the high 60s. Do you happen to know of any good OTG leave-ins that I could use?
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Well where are you? I have leave ins I can get on the ground but they aren't drugstore brands. I can use Curls or the Shea Moisture Shea Butter LI. But on OTG I'll just use some jojoba oil + IC Fantasia or AV gel.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
I live in Philadelphia but I go to southern VA during the summers since it's my hometown. In Philly I live around every place you can think of; whole foods, trader joe's, CVS and Rite Aid and all that good stuff. In VA I'm near drugstores, a Target, and Trader Joe's is a drive so I don't just go there for giggles. I hadn't tried curls because I never really heard about it from anyone, and the only people who HAVE said good things about it had completely different hair than me. I don't care if it's name brand or whatever, long as it keeps my hair moisturized despite the dew point (which I really know nothing about how dew points affect hair. Sorry! )

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hey Elle this has nothing to do about hair care.. but How did you come up with Izzy for your hair....I really like that name......
Originally Posted by kdelish
Izzy is short for Isabella - I just love that name, it's glam and funky at the same time, like my hair. Cass over at Natural Selection nicknamed her.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
Awesome. I asked because my name is Kizzy.

LOL. Heaven forbid someone expect others to try and think for themselves or at least PRETEND to take your advice, right?

And oh god, don't be. Because I'm going back to Virginia Sunday for the summer and the dew's gonna be in the high 60s. Do you happen to know of any good OTG leave-ins that I could use?
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Well where are you? I have leave ins I can get on the ground but they aren't drugstore brands. I can use Curls or the Shea Moisture Shea Butter LI. But on OTG I'll just use some jojoba oil + IC Fantasia or AV gel.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
I live in Philadelphia but I go to southern VA during the summers since it's my hometown. In Philly I live around every place you can think of; whole foods, trader joe's, CVS and Rite Aid and all that good stuff. In VA I'm near drugstores, a Target, and Trader Joe's is a drive so I don't just go there for giggles. I hadn't tried curls because I never really heard about it from anyone, and the only people who HAVE said good things about it had completely different hair than me. I don't care if it's name brand or whatever, long as it keeps my hair moisturized despite the dew point (which I really know nothing about how dew points affect hair. Sorry! )
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Oooh, if you have TJ's I used to leave in the Tea Tree condish all the time and loved it. Also...ppl on here like the Alba LI from Whole Foods and Nature's Gate Hemp Seed or AV condish to leave in.

And dew points?

YouTube - ‪Dew Points and Natural Hair‬‏

Don't ask me why the video looks like that I was experimenting with resolution...fail.

hey Elle this has nothing to do about hair care.. but How did you come up with Izzy for your hair....I really like that name......
Originally Posted by kdelish
Izzy is short for Isabella - I just love that name, it's glam and funky at the same time, like my hair. Cass over at Natural Selection nicknamed her.
Originally Posted by EllyEllyOxenFree
Awesome. I asked because my name is Kizzy.
Originally Posted by kdelish

Ooh that's a cute name!
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Yay, thank you so much! I'll be sure to check it all out

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Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
What did you shampoo with? I shampoo weekly, but what I use may not be stripping enough for my hair. Curious.

Did you see my last post about butters?

____________________

As an aside, how do you check for dew points? I looked on Weather.com and typed in my zip code, but didn't find dew point info. I Googled it, but it it gave a map of the US in very general terms, not specific locations...
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Maybe it's just me, but the Kinky Curly Come Clean strips the HELL out of my hair. I know it's supposed to be "moisturizing" and all, but it fails on that part. As far as clarifying goes though, it does an awesome job.

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Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
What did you shampoo with? I shampoo weekly, but what I use may not be stripping enough for my hair. Curious.

Did you see my last post about butters?

____________________

As an aside, how do you check for dew points? I looked on Weather.com and typed in my zip code, but didn't find dew point info. I Googled it, but it it gave a map of the US in very general terms, not specific locations...
Originally Posted by greenandchic

Oh I just had an old bottle of Suave Daily Clarifying Shampoo. I keep that around in case I use a cone or shea butter whip.

And I have to go back and look for the butters post.. I must have missed it.

I go to Yahoo.com and click on weather in the left column then enter my zip code.. the whole weather forecast comes up including the current dew point. You can put any zip code up and it will give you that info up to date.
Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
What did you shampoo with? I shampoo weekly, but what I use may not be stripping enough for my hair. Curious.

Did you see my last post about butters?

____________________

As an aside, how do you check for dew points? I looked on Weather.com and typed in my zip code, but didn't find dew point info. I Googled it, but it it gave a map of the US in very general terms, not specific locations...
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Maybe it's just me, but the Kinky Curly Come Clean strips the HELL out of my hair. I know it's supposed to be "moisturizing" and all, but it fails on that part. As far as clarifying goes though, it does an awesome job.
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
No it's not just you. It strips my hair pretty good too. The owner of Kinky Curly even said that Come Clean Shampoo is more like a clarifier.

Here's the write up on it right from the Kinky Curly website:

COME CLEAN

You know all the grimy stuff you've put on your hair.

Here's your chance to COME CLEAN TM .

NEW & IMPROVED Formula with Phytic Acid - a natural chealating agent that removes hard water minerals such as calcium & magnesium. An all natural replacement for EDTA derived from soy & corn, it wlll soften hard water, rinse cleaner and prevent hard water buildup on your hair.
Our exclusive blend of Mandarin Orange extract will gently clean your hair and scalp of dulling buildup while Sea Kelp will help maintain its proper moisture balance.

Ditto! Though my hair does like leave-in and oils/butters for the most part. I joined that PJ thread and realized I really don't have an issue. I may experiment with one or two new products a season (especially big holiday sales), but I cant think of anything new that most of my existing products don't already do. Winter is my hardest months because of the low dew points and all...

I'm not having issues with SM products yet because spring hasn't showed up yet. Time will tell...
Originally Posted by greenandchic
Ohhh yeah that's right.. I forgot you and I have similiar hair properties!!! Well it feels like SUMMER here..will be officially soon! I see I have to just save my SM for the Fall. I'm glad Elle suggested me trying new oils and conditioners.. now I can still have my normal method but also feel like I'm trying new things too like the other ladies here.

Oh and I didn't even think my hair would like butters...cause I tried Shea butter a long time ago and my hair acted weird. Well I whipped some Shea Butter with Macadamian nut oil some months back...my hair LOVED it. So I'm going to try that again too!

You know I didn't think dew points were all that important for me..and I guess they aren't when I use my old method but I see if I use products like SM I'll need to pay attention to them.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
My hair texture twin!

My hair does OK with shea butter but only blended with other oils - not so much solo. One balm/butter NEA turned me on to is from Zipporah Beauty. Her butters are thick, but not heavy and easily melt on skin into an oil. I love their Delight My Hair Butter and GF (glycerin free) Green Tea Hair & Body Butter.
Originally Posted by greenandchic

Yeah.. I can't use straight shea butter on my natural hair either. I learned that lesson some years ago..What I do is buy it in bulk and whip it with some different oils. The last batch I made I mixed it with Macadamian Nut Oil that I got from Making Cosmetics.com.

I'll have to look up Zipporah Beauty. Never heard of it.. I'm just trying to think though since it's hotter weather will that Shea Butter melt down my face or anything.

I don't use a lot of oil..just enough to lightly coat so that's never a problem for me in warm weather.
Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
I'm glad clarifying worked for you too!! Even though I had the buildup problem, I love SM and will continue to use it just keeping in mind I need to clarify periodically. I've heard some people say they don't get buildup from SM so I'm wondering why other people do.
Elle and all the ladies who offered opinions and advice.. thank you SOOOOO much. I did take your advice. I clarified my hair with shampoo, did a quick moisturizing deep treat after, then my regular co-wash, used my castor and olive oil mix, rinsed with cold water, towel blotted, applied FOTEAVG to damp hair, let air dry. Hair turned back to greatness! So yeah..it had to be the Shea Moisture. And I probably really needed to clarify my hair badly...I guess my weekly shampoos just wasn't enough when using the SM daily. I needed to strip my hair completely.

I will be trying different silicone free conditioners and a few different oils because it's obvious with my hair I better just stick with my old method. So if you have any suggestions on oils, conditioners, butters feel free to let me know.. and yes I'm still stuck on Tresemme Naturals...I just went to the store on my way home from work and bought up every bottle they had at Walmart..

THANKS ELLE and Company!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
I'm glad clarifying worked for you too!! Even though I had the buildup problem, I love SM and will continue to use it just keeping in mind I need to clarify periodically. I've heard some people say they don't get buildup from SM so I'm wondering why other people do.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Yes..the clarifying worked. Appreciate your tip!!!

You know I'm having hard time believing that people don't get build up from SM UNLESS they are shampooing with something that strips. Because SM..at least the leave-ins like the Smoothie have Shea Butter in them. And Shea Butter is a fat that and will stick to the hair. So.. I'm just not buying it doesn't build up over time unless they mean like the spritzes or something.

And I still do like SM..a lot. It's just that I think where I live in the hotter months the dew points are a little much for it. It gave me no issues in cooler weather so I'll probably use it in the Fall again.
When u go to weather.com click the arrow that says more weather details I think. It's at the bottom of the individual boxes that state temp and humidity


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And (sorry to keep double posting) I think I'll just suck it up and get a leave-in off the ground. It seems like the only products that ever work on my hair don't involve drugstores. Well, unless it's Garnier...

Edit: Okay, so I'm looking at two different leave-ins that seem promising on curlmart: Curl Junkie BeautiCurls Leave In and Darcy's Botanicals Vanilla Delight leave In. From what I can tell neither of them have anything that would bother me in certain dew points and they contain shea butter, which my hair loves. Does anyone have one they favor over the other, or do they both suck?

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Last edited by itsKelCeeEee; 06-02-2011 at 11:19 PM.
Your dog's name is Bacardi...I LOVE IT. LMAO.
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
What can I say, I love the sauce...

And (sorry to keep double posting) I think I'll just suck it up and get a leave-in off the ground. It seems like the only products that ever work on my hair don't involve drugstores. Well, unless it's Garnier...

Edit: Okay, so I'm looking at two different leave-ins that seem promising on curlmart: Curl Junkie BeautiCurls Leave In and Darcy's Botanicals Vanilla Delight leave In. From what I can tell neither of them have anything that would bother me in certain dew points and they contain shea butter, which my hair loves. Does anyone have one they favor over the other, or do they both suck?
Originally Posted by itsKelCeeEee
Doesn't the Vanilla Delight have glycerin? I'd go with the CJ. I like that one. However, even though it has butters, it seems very light, so if you like heavier leave ins it might not be the best one for you. You could get the Rehab and leave that in - it's GREAT and super moisturizing. It really nourishes my ends. Shea butter is high up on the list too.
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Thanks gagirl09 and Elle re: how to track dew points!
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Ohhh yeah that's right.. I forgot you and I have similiar hair properties!!! Well it feels like SUMMER here..will be officially soon! I see I have to just save my SM for the Fall. I'm glad Elle suggested me trying new oils and conditioners.. now I can still have my normal method but also feel like I'm trying new things too like the other ladies here.

Oh and I didn't even think my hair would like butters...cause I tried Shea butter a long time ago and my hair acted weird. Well I whipped some Shea Butter with Macadamian nut oil some months back...my hair LOVED it. So I'm going to try that again too!

You know I didn't think dew points were all that important for me..and I guess they aren't when I use my old method but I see if I use products like SM I'll need to pay attention to them.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
My hair texture twin!

My hair does OK with shea butter but only blended with other oils - not so much solo. One balm/butter NEA turned me on to is from Zipporah Beauty. Her butters are thick, but not heavy and easily melt on skin into an oil. I love their Delight My Hair Butter and GF (glycerin free) Green Tea Hair & Body Butter.
Originally Posted by greenandchic

Yeah.. I can't use straight shea butter on my natural hair either. I learned that lesson some years ago..What I do is buy it in bulk and whip it with some different oils. The last batch I made I mixed it with Macadamian Nut Oil that I got from Making Cosmetics.com.

I'll have to look up Zipporah Beauty. Never heard of it.. I'm just trying to think though since it's hotter weather will that Shea Butter melt down my face or anything.

I don't use a lot of oil..just enough to lightly coat so that's never a problem for me in warm weather.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
The shea butter wont melt down your face. With the Zipporah butters, a little goes a long way so a 4 oz container would last a good while. It acts more like a blended oil than a butter.
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