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@cysca how do you apply the KKC? I just can't seem to get it to give me curls. I get ramen noodles when I do it on wet hair and I've used the KT and Strawberries and Cream VO5 and still no go. I've used it on second day hair but never wet with good results.

@juanab the shealoe you are talking about is from Koils by Nature?

@allycoils I have shedding/breakage problems but I think I might rethink the non-protein approach. Even with a lot of conditioner my hair still has breakage when I detangle.




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@cysca how do you apply the KKC? I just can't seem to get it to give me curls. I get ramen noodles when I do it on wet hair and I've used the KT and Strawberries and Cream VO5 and still no go. I've used it on second day hair but never wet with good results.

@juanab the shealoe you are talking about is from Koils by Nature?

@allycoils I have shedding/breakage problems but I think I might rethink the non-protein approach. Even with a lot of conditioner my hair still has breakage when I detangle.
Originally Posted by TriniJaNY
No, I meant Shealoe butter. It works great for me.

texture - medium/fine, porosity - low/normal, elasticity - normal
co-wash - NaturelleGrow Coconut Water or Marshmallow Root, Slippery Elm Bark & Blue Malva Cleansing Conditioners
LI - KCKT mixed w/ SM C & H Curl & Style Milk
DC - NG Mango & Coconut H2O or Chamomile/Brdck Root
Gel - SM souffle (winter), KCCC (summer) or CR Naturals Aloe Whipped Butter Gel (year round)
Sealers - Virgin Coconut Oil, Avocado butter, Aloe butter
Ayurvedic treatments - Jamila Henna, Sukesh, Aloe Vera Powder, Hibiscus Powder
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@cysca how do you apply the KKC? I just can't seem to get it to give me curls. I get ramen noodles when I do it on wet hair and I've used the KT and Strawberries and Cream VO5 and still no go. I've used it on second day hair but never wet with good results.

@juanab the shealoe you are talking about is from Koils by Nature?

@allycoils I have shedding/breakage problems but I think I might rethink the non-protein approach. Even with a lot of conditioner my hair still has breakage when I detangle.
Originally Posted by TriniJaNY
I apply KCCC and KCKT to wet hair (use a spray bottle) along with Carefree Lite Activator Gel using my fingers one section at a time. I'll post some pics later.


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@cysca how do you apply the KKC? I just can't seem to get it to give me curls. I get ramen noodles when I do it on wet hair and I've used the KT and Strawberries and Cream VO5 and still no go. I've used it on second day hair but never wet with good results.

@juanab the shealoe you are talking about is from Koils by Nature?

@allycoils I have shedding/breakage problems but I think I might rethink the non-protein approach. Even with a lot of conditioner my hair still has breakage when I detangle.
Originally Posted by TriniJaNY
I ended up doing a protein treatment and now my shedding has stopped. I used to do one every month or 2 months but I had fallen off. I see now that I can't afford to not keep that in my regimen.




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First, as for finding breakage when I press/straighten my hair for a trim, I do not notice much. However, when hair is pressed or flat ironed, I believe the manipulation during the styling is when the breakage primarily occurs. The detangle before the blow dry, the blow drying itself (so hard to keep track of any hairs during this process especially, if your blow dry), and then the pressing or flat ironing. Moreover, if you do not do your detangle, blow dry, or press/flat iron yourself, you may miss just how much breakage occurs during manipulation. Also, hair in its curly state is more likely to stick around, latch on to something...

Second, as for low manipulation, I completely agree with the other ladies. I never detangle or style on dry hair and try to keep my henna/protein treatments to once a month. I am also not shy about protein in my weekly deep conditioners (Darcy's Botanicals Deep Conditioning Mask, Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed Conditioner, Hairveda's Acai Berry Phyto Conditioner, Oyin Honey Hemp).

Last, I really think when, how, and the tools used during your detangling routine determine the level of breakage and overall condition of your hair (rough detangling is just as bad as horrid product, it all adds up). I pre-poo with my henna (depending on the week), shampoo, then deep condition overnight (all my DCs have protein and slip). BUT, before I put my conditioning cap on for the night - I twist then bantu knot my hair in the sections I will detangle in. I finger part and lightly finger detangle to make sure my hair is stretched before I twist then bantu knot the twist (this part is hardly perfect, just want those suckers to stay in and minimize shrinkage). I NEVER give my hair a chance to shrink, sorry - shrinkage = more tangles.

In the morning I use three tools to detangle; wide tooth rat tail comb (Diane no. 40), detangling comb (just replaced my Nexxus Style Effexx Detangler - cousin helped herself to the stash...), and a paddle brush (Denman D83)). I use the rat tail first to detangle the ends - get them all going in the same direction and catch shed hairs at the ends - only the last two inches of my hair. Then switch to the detangling comb. Finally, I use the paddle to make sure every hair is going in the same direction and all the shed hair is out. Once I got the steps down, detangling time went down significantly.


Sincerely hope this helps!
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Could you ladies offer some product suggestions from the Shea Moisture Line for fine haired curlies? I have only tried the Retention shampoo but that left a film on my hair. Don't know if I should steer away from the whole organic shea butter line (gold label). The PJ in me is warning me not to miss the sale, haha! Many thanks.

Oh, forgot my stats last post... fine hair, normal density, normal porosity (I believe), loves protein...
James Baldwin
A Talk To Teachers
[...]
one of the paradoxes of education [is] that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society. It is your responsibility to change society
[...]

^^^I believe the green label is geared for fine hair (at work right now). I havent used it enough to speak on it.


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4a fine, thin, high porosity
Poo: SM Y&B, BT TT
C: HE Reconditioning, Suave Almond and Shea
DC: CJ CR, CJ RM
LI: JC DT
Curl Cream: RN BWCC, CJ CCCC
Gel: CJ AFG
Refresher: SM Thickening Mist, SM Y&A Milk, CJ CIAB
Moisturizer: CJ SL, SM CES
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4a fine, thin, high porosity
Poo: SM Y&B, BT TT
C: HE Reconditioning, Suave Almond and Shea
DC: CJ CR, CJ RM
LI: JC DT
Curl Cream: RN BWCC, CJ CCCC
Gel: CJ AFG
Refresher: SM Thickening Mist, SM Y&A Milk, CJ CIAB
Moisturizer: CJ SL, SM CES
I'm not too sure on my hair stats but I believe they are high density, high porosity (I think!) and even tho my hair is fine it loves thick butters and thick creamy leave ins. But then again thats probably due to the high porosity-ness.

I usually retain length via twists but they look scalpy and get uber frizzy less then a week. So for now Im giving my hair a resting period to where I just wear a loose ponytail and do big jumbo twists for detangling. As a hairstyle I just pull out a twist in the front and strategically wrap a scarf over the rest.

Some of my favorite products are Qhemet and Shea Moisture Direct Leave In. Light leave in lotions that I use by themselves seem to just evaporate from my hair. Like Oyin Hair Dew and Curl Junkie Beauticurls Leave In.
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I'm really getting into my Nutiva Organic Coconut Oil now
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Could you ladies offer some product suggestions from the Shea Moisture Line for fine haired curlies? I have only tried the Retention shampoo but that left a film on my hair. Don't know if I should steer away from the whole organic shea butter line (gold label). The PJ in me is warning me not to miss the sale, haha! Many thanks.

Oh, forgot my stats last post... fine hair, normal density, normal porosity (I believe), loves protein...
Originally Posted by cocodej
I've used the Shea Moisture conditioner which my hair thought was a joke.
I also had a brief love affair with the Shea Moisture Masque. It smelled great and it was thick and creamy. Then I noticed my hair started shedding a lot more than usual. Oh well onward search for another DC.
I stay away from the pink line because coconut dries out my hair.




"Don't beat yourself up for not knowing all the answers. You don't always have to know who you are. You don't have to have the big picture, or know where you're heading. Sometimes it's enough just to know what you're going to do next." - Iris, Undomestic Goddess
Thanks ladies. I will try the SM Yucca line if I can find it. My Target is really well picked over right now and Walgreens does not carry the Yucca Line shampoo. I wish I could place an order online at one or the other, but they share that line so no luck...

I am pretty much set on conditioner thought...I was/am on a shampoo craze this summer.
James Baldwin
A Talk To Teachers
[...]
one of the paradoxes of education [is] that precisely at the point when you begin to develop a conscience, you must find yourself at war with your society. It is your responsibility to change society
[...]

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"Don't beat yourself up for not knowing all the answers. You don't always have to know who you are. You don't have to have the big picture, or know where you're heading. Sometimes it's enough just to know what you're going to do next." - Iris, Undomestic Goddess
my hair used to shed something terrible, it stopped after i started taking garlic supplements and deep conditioning with curl junkie rehab.
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My daughter's hair is 4a, really thick and dense, yet extremely fine. And l-o-o-ng. Normal pigtails on her stop at her neck....but if you take her hair loose and stretch it, it's waist-length.

I've found out the following about her hair:

1) The wrong stuff tends to "sit" on her hair and cause greasy buildup. Even petrolatum- and mineral oil-free products.

2) The smaller the pigtails/twists/cornrows, the more unmanageable her hair will be when taken down.

3) Like others have said, that "snap-crackle-pop" if handled too roughly. Even though her hair is so thick, care must still be taken to handle it. The length makes it even more challenging.
My daughter's hair is 4a, really thick and dense, yet extremely fine. And l-o-o-ng. Normal pigtails on her stop at her neck....but if you take her hair loose and stretch it, it's waist-length.

I've found out the following about her hair:

1) The wrong stuff tends to "sit" on her hair and cause greasy buildup. Even petrolatum- and mineral oil-free products.

2) The smaller the pigtails/twists/cornrows, the more unmanageable her hair will be when taken down.

3) Like others have said, that "snap-crackle-pop" if handled too roughly. Even though her hair is so thick, care must still be taken to handle it. The length makes it even more challenging.
Originally Posted by sinistral55
What products do you use on your daughter?




"Don't beat yourself up for not knowing all the answers. You don't always have to know who you are. You don't have to have the big picture, or know where you're heading. Sometimes it's enough just to know what you're going to do next." - Iris, Undomestic Goddess
I have fine hair that is highly porous and has a medium density.

My hair needs protein; it is not optional for me. I avoided protein like the plague when I started doing my own hair, and I ended up with breakage galore. I use a protein at every wash (usually, it is Aubrey Organics GPB.).

Trimming is also not optional for me. I notice that my detangling sessions are rougher and my hair in general is fussy when I need a trim.

Less is more for me when it comes to applying styling products.

Not excessively touching my hair helps me to minimize tangles and knots.

Usually quality hair tools helps me to minimize breakage.

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