Is Big Chopping Against The Bible?

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No, I didn't take your post as "bashing". You have a vast knowledge of Christian doctrine, as a Jew. I respect that.

But see, I never understand why people seek guidance on CHRISTIAN principles from the masses...comprised primarily of folks who don't believe...that makes no sense to me.

So, questions like these often never get a biblical/scholarly answer...it just ends being, "Christianity is stupid", "I don't believe in the bible",
"It's all foolishness", etc. Okay. But guess what? That's not what was asked.

The OP never gets what they came for...and again, I question why they came for it, in the first place. Study the bible for yourself. Nothing wrong with asking questions, but consider your audience, if you really want a biblical perspective.
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
Well I certainly cannot give a valid arguement against what you've stated above. Given, I did make an effort to expound on the topic as briefly as I could here from a perspective based on the New Testament writings. That's why I gave the text reference in hopes the OP and others would go an read it if they desired.

I love discussing religion and I didn't want to come in and just be like..."Christianity is stupid" and that's it. I wanted to try to give some background on Paul, the times, the custom, and the fact that many men after Paul's time have made his epistles into something they just aren't. Not to mention it's not always as cut and dry as the English translation of the text makes it seem. It's difficult to do that briefly..and especially in this setting because frankly it's a hair board..LOL!
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Well, I think it's best to avoid the "stupid" label...period, when discussing someone's religious beliefs.

I also agree the hair boards aren't the best place to seek answers to these kind of questions.
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Stating that one does not believe in the bible is not the same as Christianity bashing. Also, I did not get the impression that the OP was strictly looking for a biblical/scholarly answer, as she did not ask to hear only from Christians or scholars of the bible. She asked "What do you all think?" Which led to responses from Christians and non-Christians alike. Perhaps she posed the question in such an open-ended manner in order to obtain different points of view.
Originally Posted by Yltnelis
I never said that not believing in the bible is "bashing" Christianity. I said I HOPE this thread doesnt' turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread.

It's one thing to say "I'm not a Christian", and another to say, "Christianity and the bible are hogwash!". The latter is bashing.

What generally happens, when non-Christians (and even Christians) share, they never truly answer the question. They go around it, or give a general, "The bible can be misinterpreted", "People take the bible literally" type answer. We all know the bible is misquoted, misunderstood, taken literally when it shouldn't be, etc.

The OP sounds like a Christian, who wants an understanding to help her with developing her own convictions about the teaching. In other words, the bible's position seems to matter to her, whether or not it matters to someone else.

Marah answered the question - by providing a history on the doctrine, as someone who has studied Christian doctrine. She's a Jew. So, obviously I'm not saying non-Christians shouldn't comment. I don't tell people to comment/not comment in threads.
Originally Posted by Ninjarette


Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm confused as to what your point is, NEA. I mean, I understand that you said that you hope this thread doesn't turn into a Christian bashing session like it does in Off Topic, but your concern doesn't seem warranted because 1. this isn't off topic. Many of the people in off-topic don't even post over here and there isn't a lot of craziness over here anyway (no shade, but shade). And 2. no one was bashing Christianity.

It *sounds* like you're implying that people that are not academically versed in theology don't have valuable things to contribute to the topic. The question is "is big chopping against the bible?" and several people, including Marah, have answered the question, and quite eloquently IMO. All may not have the academic certification that Marah does, but they answered the question.

There's no right answer to a question like this. Just like there's no right religious belief, or non religious belief. I'm not sure what the OP wanted out of this discussion, maybe it was to start some drama, but if anything she brought an interesting topic to our attention and it's worth discussing.

I said "I cannot" because that was my reaction to reading the letter on CN. I had nothing else of value to add at the moment. I think it's ridiculous, personally. Am I right? I don't know. But I really don't care. Words on a piece of paper don't govern my morality. That's how I see it. If it governs yours (generally speaking) then do you, boo. No tea. I'm just sharing me and mines. It's one thing to impose your perspectives and beliefs onto others, which is what the guy in the letter was doing to the lady who BC'd, but when asked I will share what I think.
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I was reading the comments on CN and pretty much agree with these 2 sentiments.

This...

K. said...
People always pick the most interesting parts of the bible to obey it seems. The bible has some pretty strong words about fornication but I NEVER hear any man arguing about abstaining from it. SMH.
And this...

Anonymous said...
This (the quoting of I Cor 11:14-15 in reference to a woman's hair choices) has bugged me for years. YEARS, I tell you. Even before I went natural this bugged me.

Because everybody has their own interpretation I prefer to just go with the literal: I think it's safe to say that the ancient Corinthians didn't have short Afro hair as a general rule. Otherwise Paul would have said something else. His letters were meant for the people they were sent to, and as such they (like a large part of the Bible) aren't going to apply to all peoples, all over the world, in all situations.

Just because he refers to long flowing hair in his letter (because that's the kind that "covers", right?) does not mean Afro-haired black folks are "less than" or have to "do more" to be considered acceptable in the eyes of God. To suggest otherwise is another form of programming designed to make black folks feel like they're lesser beings compared to whites specifically and non-blacks in general...and it has ALWAYS fascinated and annoyed me to see how blacks themselves participate in their own degrading (I mean that word literally: de-grade) by throwing that verse out when a woman makes a CHOICE to cut HER hair.
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Yes, I just wanted to hear some opinions on this! I have never in my life heard of anyone considering the BC against the Bible, and I found this a very interesting topic for discussion. I am a Christian myself, but as some of you said, picking and choosing verses and using that against someone is not right. Rather, as some of you mentioned, the Word should not always be taken literally, and the time period and customs at that time should be considered. I read all of your responses and found them very insightful. Did not want to stir anything!

I didn't do the BC; I did a long transition and my relaxed ends broke off between harsh combing and straightening . Normally though, BCing is the only way to become fully natural. It is not something done to deliberately go against God (as one or two of you mentioned, shaving your head off to disturb the order under God.) In fact, cutting your hair in order to be natural seems alright to me. After all, you are cutting the relaxed ends and leaving what God allowed to grow naturally out of your head.

I said that I wasn't sure where I stood, because I am a Christian, but I just had a hard time considering the BC to be against the Bible. I now understand that it wasn't right for him (in the post) to use that verse on her with no backdrop. I also had a theology teacher who talked about taking the Bible literally, and how problems can arise from that. Thank you guys for your input.
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Last edited by Precious Curls; 11-17-2011 at 10:59 PM.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm confused as to what your point is, NEA. I mean, I understand that you said that you hope this thread doesn't turn into a Christian bashing session like it does in Off Topic, but your concern doesn't seem warranted because 1. this isn't off topic. Many of the people in off-topic don't even post over here and there isn't a lot of craziness over here anyway (no shade, but shade). And 2. no one was bashing Christianity.

It *sounds* like you're implying that people that are not academically versed in theology don't have valuable things to contribute to the topic. The question is "is big chopping against the bible?" and several people, including Marah, have answered the question, and quite eloquently IMO. All may not have the academic certification that Marah does, but they answered the question.

There's no right answer to a question like this. Just like there's no right religious belief, or non religious belief. I'm not sure what the OP wanted out of this discussion, maybe it was to start some drama, but if anything she brought an interesting topic to our attention and it's worth discussing.

I said "I cannot" because that was my reaction to reading the letter on CN. I had nothing else of value to add at the moment. I think it's ridiculous, personally. Am I right? I don't know. But I really don't care. Words on a piece of paper don't govern my morality. That's how I see it. If it governs yours (generally speaking) then do you, boo. No tea. I'm just sharing me and mines. It's one thing to impose your perspectives and beliefs onto others, which is what the guy in the letter was doing to the lady who BC'd, but when asked I will share what I think.
Originally Posted by CocoT
My points are I hope this stays on topic, and I hope the question gets answered, without a free-for-all on personal issues with Christianity. I often think folks don't really have anything really relevant to add. They just take an opportunity to share how ridiculous it all is - religion, Christanity, the bible, etc. That's annoying to me. Asking is BCing against the bible implies that the person wants an understanding of what the bible teaches about the issue. Perhaps I misinterpreted the question. I'm open to correction on that, because that's exactly how I took it.

If you all you got out of what I said was I was implying that if you don't have a "scholarly" answer, you missed my point.. most definitely. My bad.

Marah gave the most complete answer (imo)...not the only answer. Not saying you have to be a Moody Bible Institute graduate to tackle it, but seems to me one would come a little stronger than, "I don't believe the bible", which is not relevant, and which happens a lot when folks ask biblical questions. Just sayin'. The OP didn't ask if you believe what the bible teaches about cutting/big chopping hair. She asked is cutting/big chopping hair against the bible. I can say that. I just chose to be direct, rather than post my true feelings in SIIDY.

You don't have to worry about "coming across the wrong way", because honestly, I (me) think when people preface a statement/statements with, "Please don't take this the wrong way", and then proceed, it's usually not a top concern that their words be interpreted in a particular way. They want to make their feelings known.

I'm cool with that. It's all good.
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Last edited by Ninjarette; 11-17-2011 at 11:08 PM.
Yes, I just wanted to hear some opinions on this! I have never in my life heard of anyone considering the BC against the Bible, and I found this a very interesting topic for discussion. I am a Christian myself, but as some of you said, picking and choosing verses and using that against someone is not right. Rather, as some of you mentioned, the Word should not always be taken literally, and the time period and customs at that time should be considered. I read all of your responses and found them very insightful. Did not want to stir anything!

I didn't do the BC; I did a long transition and my relaxed ends broke off between harsh combing and straightening . Normally though, BCing is the only way to become fully natural. It is not something done to deliberately go against God (as one or two of you mentioned, shaving your head off to disturb the order under God.) In fact, cutting your hair in order to be natural seems alright to me. After all, you are cutting the relaxed ends and leaving what God allowed to grow naturally out of your head.

I said that I wasn't sure where I stood, because I am a Christian, but I just had a hard time considering the BC to be against the Bible. I now understand that it wasn't right for him (in the post) to use that verse on her with no backdrop. I also had a theology teacher who talked about taking the Bible literally, and how problems can arise from that. Thank you guys for your input.
Originally Posted by Precious Curls
Thanks for clarifying your reason for asking, which is what I thought. You didn't stir anything. The topic of religion is stirring...all by itself.
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You mentioned there was no scripture quoted. I saw a passage in the Bible that said to be a leader in the church a man must have only one wife so I wonder how the FLDS men talk their way out of that one?
Originally Posted by adthomas
By doing the same nonsense others do..twist "Scripture" and create doctrine.. but they use the "Old Testament" to justify their tom foolery with several wives.

The Scripture that is reference about woman's hair is 1 Corinthians 11. I stated that in my earlier post..if you'd like to read the text for yourself.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I was responding to another poster. We must have been typing at the same time because I didn't see your post until after I was done.
I'm Christian and I've sat in on Sunday school and worship services with Muslims and Jews. All they talked about was David and Abraham yadayadayada. Same old stuff as in church. And the Muslims also talked about Jesus although as a prophet and not devine. If we worship/love/fear the same God, I don't understand why that's not enough to bring us together instead of focusing on the differences that keep us fighting, bickering and killing each other for centuries.
Do any of these three religions have stellar track record when it comes to women's equality? I don't think so.
You mentioned there was no scripture quoted. I saw a passage in the Bible that said to be a leader in the church a man must have only one wife so I wonder how the FLDS men talk their way out of that one?
Originally Posted by adthomas
By doing the same nonsense others do..twist "Scripture" and create doctrine.. but they use the "Old Testament" to justify their tom foolery with several wives.

The Scripture that is reference about woman's hair is 1 Corinthians 11. I stated that in my earlier post..if you'd like to read the text for yourself.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I was responding to another poster. We must have been typing at the same time because I didn't see your post until after I was done.
I'm Christian and I've sat in on Sunday school and worship services with Muslims and Jews. All they talked about was David and Abraham yadayadayada. Same old stuff as in church. And the Muslims also talked about Jesus although as a prophet and not devine. If we worship/love/fear the same God, I don't understand why that's not enough to bring us together instead of focusing on the differences that keep us fighting, bickering and killing each other for centuries.
Do any of these three religions have stellar track record when it comes to women's equality? I don't think so.
Originally Posted by adthomas
Nope.
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My points are I hope this stays on topic, and I hope the question gets answered, without a free-for-all on personal issues with Christianity. I often think folks don't really have anything really relevant to add. They just take an opportunity to share how ridiculous it all is - religion, Christanity, the bible, etc. That's annoying to me. Asking is BCing against the bible implies that the person wants an understanding of what the bible teaches about the issue. Perhaps I misinterpreted the question. I'm open to correction on that, because that's exactly how I took it.

If you all you got out of what I said was I was implying that if you don't have a "scholarly" answer, you missed my point.. most definitely. My bad.

Marah gave the most complete answer (imo)...not the only answer. Not saying you have to be a Moody Bible Institute graduate to tackle it, but seems to me one would come a little stronger than, "I don't believe the bible", which is not relevant, and which happens a lot when folks ask biblical questions. Just sayin'. The OP didn't ask if you believe what the bible teaches about cutting/big chopping hair. She asked is cutting/big chopping hair against the bible. I can say that. I just chose to be direct, rather than post my true feelings in SIIDY.

You don't have to worry about "coming across the wrong way", because honestly, I (me) think when people preface a statement/statements with, "Please don't take this the wrong way", and then proceed, it's usually not a top concern that their words be interpreted in a particular way. They want to make their feelings known.

I'm cool with that. It's all good.
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
Ok, first let me address the last statement. I said "please don't take this the wrong way" because I didn't want you to think I was attacking you or belittling what you said in any way. So, I am concerned that my words be interpreted in a particular way, just as much as I want to convey my feelings.

Secondly, I just want to stress the fact that I didn't say that religion is ridiculous. I'm not saying you said that I said that, but I just want to put that out there. However, I do think it's a relevant statement. To say it's not is unfair.

As to the rest, this isn't an academic setting. Do we now need to consult a rubric to engage in intellectual discussion? The OP just said that she wanted opinions about this topic, and that's what she got. No one was warned against participating. And in asking if big chopping is against the bible, on an open forum, you're inviting opinions from all perspectives.

I'm not good at passive aggressive and I try to just say it straight, so with that I won't go any further. I'm done with this conversation because I'm uncomfortable.
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I'm sure you wont go to hell or get shunned from heaven by cutting your hair.. I'm sure God has more important things to worry about than a haircut.. mankind in general for example..

I mean its not like getting a BC is the same as taking your life..
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Ok, first let me address the last statement. I said "please don't take this the wrong way" because I didn't want you to think I was attacking you or belittling what you said in any way. So, I am concerned that my words be interpreted in a particular way, just as much as I want to convey my feelings.
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I was responding to another poster. We must have been typing at the same time because I didn't see your post until after I was done.
I'm Christian and I've sat in on Sunday school and worship services with Muslims and Jews. All they talked about was David and Abraham yadayadayada. Same old stuff as in church. And the Muslims also talked about Jesus although as a prophet and not devine. If we worship/love/fear the same God, I don't understand why that's not enough to bring us together instead of focusing on the differences that keep us fighting, bickering and killing each other for centuries.
Do any of these three religions have stellar track record when it comes to women's equality? I don't think so.
Originally Posted by adthomas
I was just trying to give kudos to your point with my post is all. I guess I didn't back you up as well as I thought.

I do have to ask though..um WHAT "worship service" in a synagogue you sat in on where they just discussed David and Abraham..and yada..yada like they do in a church ? Because we (Jews) have a prescribed method of service outline.

A Jewish service is NOTHING like a Christian one..at all. So I'd love to know which synagogues you were in where all they did was talk about David and Abraham..and who is "they" ? The rabbi, the chazzan, the gabbai ? Cause it's not a free for all in synagogue on Shabbat or any other holy day...just about any Jew can go to any synagogue on a Shabbat and pick up because we do pretty much the same stuff..unless it's a non-mainstream synagogue thats non affliated. And many rabbis today usually discuss current events in their sermons because it's important to Jews to stay aware of what's current. We aren't a stagnat people...never have been.

Unless what you really mean is you sat in on a Torah Study which isn't the same as service on Shabbat or holy days. Now yada yada about David and Abraham make sense there..but not in service.

To many Jews..um no we don't have the same "god". But for the sake of tolerance and going along to get along..many Jews don't say that to Christians. Furthermore, there was never any religious unity between us so why should we be in bed with Christians just cause they claim the same god ? Even the NT says that Jesus says plenty of folks will calling on him and making claims about all the wonderful works they did in his name only to have him say, " I know you not, depart from me ..you workers of lawlessness!" So saying you down and being down are two different things. No offense but that means something to Jews.

In Judaism women have alway been seen as equal but having separate roles. Our version of equal just doesn't fit snuggly into the Western idea of hyper-feminism though. But in Judaism..women run the home, they call all the shots with sex, and are considered to have a higher degree of intelligence than men, and could own, sell, keep land, and have say in marriage..all this before many women could in Western civilizations. And none of those are "new" concepts in Judaism. So I'd say yeah.. Judaism..the fundamentals of our religion has a stellar record on equality for Jewish women.

I know I'm about to catch hell for that.. LOL!
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After reading the Curly Nikki post twice and thinking about it, it seems like the man mentioned in the blog entry used religion as a means of delivering a backhanded compliment to her. Instead of coming out and saying he didn't care for her hair being so short (which a lot of men do have issues with), he used a "Biblical" standpoint to serve his cause. It really seems like it had nothing to do with what he really believed.

I just have to wonder if someone cussed, was caught in a lie, had sex before marriage, cheated, basically anything that we are taught is wrong from a biblical view, does he bring up it is "against the Bible"?

I know I said I was done with this, and this time I really am. I just find it interesting once again how we pick and choose what battles to fight in the face of "morality." If right is right and wrong is wrong, then how come most people only feel like waging a war when the cause is something that bothers them?
His comment reminded me of that whole "gaslighting" convo.. he was trying to manipulate the OP, or undermine her. Either way, don't stress it. You have free will too. You don't have to take his (or anyone's) opinion on your personal life decisions seriously.
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In Judaism women have alway been seen as equal but having separate roles. Our version of equal just doesn't fit snuggly into the Western idea of hyper-feminism though. But in Judaism..women run the home, they call all the shots with sex, and are considered to have a higher degree of intelligence than men, and could own, sell, keep land, and have say in marriage..all this before many women could in Western civilizations. And none of those are "new" concepts in Judaism. So I'd say yeah.. Judaism..the fundamentals of our religion has a stellar record on equality for Jewish women.

I know I'm about to catch hell for that.. LOL!
Originally Posted by *Marah*
The same could be said of teachings of Christianity, as well. Separate can be equal.

The problems come in when "man", whether Christian or Jewish, interject their own take on the sacred text, rather than take it for what it actually says - based on an understanding of the time, the setting, who is talking and who is being spoken to (as well as some insight into Hebrew and Greek. The interpretation of scripture is often not as "open" as people wanna think it is. Some stuff is really cut and dry.
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After reading the Curly Nikki post twice and thinking about it, it seems like the man mentioned in the blog entry used religion as a means of delivering a backhanded compliment to her. Instead of coming out and saying he didn't care for her hair being so short (which a lot of men do have issues with), he used a "Biblical" standpoint to serve his cause. It really seems like it had nothing to do with what he really believed.

I just have to wonder if someone cussed, was caught in a lie, had sex before marriage, cheated, basically anything that we are taught is wrong from a biblical view, does he bring up it is "against the Bible"?

I know I said I was done with this, and this time I really am. I just find it interesting once again how we pick and choose what battles to fight in the face of "morality." If right is right and wrong is wrong, then how come most people only feel like waging a war when the cause is something that bothers them?
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This is so ironic because when I was visiting a friend she told me that she was not going to cut her hair anymore because it was against the bible/God. I told her to find me the scripture where it says that and she could not. While she was in Brazil some of the Brazilian women had told her that women cutting their hair is sinful. She kept saying to me your hair is you glory and I kept asking her so it says your hair is your glory therefore you cant wear it short or cut it? ( I knew what scripture she was referring to and was trying to get her to think about what she was saying) I told her that I personally from looking at the scripture took it to mean that women should take care of their hair; be it short, long, asymmetrical, or dyed. I too agree with the struggle that ppl have with the bible of when it's symbolic when it's liteal. Also when its meaning is more pointed for the social context of when it was written.


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Uhm...I believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same God. We all have different beliefs in Jesus and who he was, but in Christianity and Islam it says it's the same God. Even in the Old Testament. Didn't Abraham have two sons, Isaac and Ishmael? And didn't Ishmael go on to "give birth" to the nation of Islam? I'm just saying from what I read it seems to have the same God in all three religions...

Back to the original topic...if the man says that you can cut your hair for maintanence reasons, wouldn't BC'ing be just that? You need to cut off the relaxed ends to have healthier hair right? I don't believe that cutting your hair is against God...my hair broke off to the point where I had to cut it, because believe me, I didn't want short hair...it made my cheeks chubby and I felt I looked like a boy. So me cutting my hair due to breakage is another thing under maintanence.

If cutting your hair is against God then what about adding hair and then taking it out? A lot of women would be in trouble because so many women cut their hair and then grow it back. And what about women who have cancer and are going through chemo? What if they don't want to deal with patchy hair after it starts to fall out?
Uhm...I believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same God. We all have different beliefs in Jesus and who he was, but in Christianity and Islam it says it's the same God. Even in the Old Testament. Didn't Abraham have two sons, Isaac and Ishmael? And didn't Ishmael go on to "give birth" to the nation of Islam? I'm just saying from what I read it seems to have the same God in all three religions...
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
Um what Isaac and Ishmael got to do with Christianity though ? I know who Issac is.. I know who Ishamel is..what ancient patriarch yall got that leads back further than Paul or maybe Peter ? Which frankly.. neither of them created Christianity itself if we wanted to get technical.

And no.. we don't all have different "beliefs in Jesus". Jesus is irrelevant to Jews... well ones that practice Judaism. I'm not trying to be disrespectful.. I'm just not on that whole "The Jewish Roots of Christianity" tip. Cause to me..there is none, never has been, and never will be. And I think that's difficult for non-Jews to understand why many Jews are resistant to that notion deep inside even though many of us are tolerant among non-Jews. And go along to get along for peace.

Let me put it another way:

Just like it's one thing for white people that are of European descent to SAY they understand when black people say they still feel hurt by the "N" word or how blacks are treated and they just want to squash it..it's another thing to truly relate to the pain and hurt black folks feel for what happened and what does still happen. And the truth of the matter is..they (white folks) don't, never have, and never will. Doesn't mean we can't be tolerant of one another though..and I would say from a Jewish perspective we have a much better track record of tolerance of Christians then they have EVER had of us.

I don't mean to be hurtful and I know that's difficult to comprehend in some token because my feelings about Christianity shouldn't be a secret at this point. But a lot of Christians are like.. "I don't get it..why can't we just move past it and be one big happy family" and Jews are like.. "Um..nawl we remember what yall did to us not to mention how you still teach replacement theology which basically means if we don't eventually subscribe to YOUR way...we will be damned!"

Just like certain white folks that are like.. "Slavery is over..you got a black president..why do so many of you all have a chip on your shoulder and are distrustful of us ? You all are just keeping this stuff going!" And it's not as simple as "slavery is over" and a black man is president.

So it's not to cut and dry for some of us Jews as "oh well we all believe in the same god or like it's not for black folks when they hear.. we are all Americans..etc". Because when you forget history..it tends to leave an opening for a repeat.

I'm on the NEVER AGAIN tip! If you don't know what that phrase means to Jews..please look it up. And it's not just about the Shoah...for the record.

Last edited by *Marah*; 11-18-2011 at 09:18 AM.
Um what Isaac and Ishmael got to do with Christianity though ? I know who Issac is.. I know who Ishamel is..what ancient patriarch yall got that leads back further than Paul or maybe Peter ? Which frankly.. neither of them created Christianity itself if we wanted to get technical.

And no.. we don't all have different "beliefs in Jesus". Jesus is irrelevant to Jews... well ones that practice Judaism. I'm not trying to be disrespectful.. I'm just not on that whole "The Jewish Roots of Christianity" tip. Cause to me..there is none, never has been, and never will be. And I think that's difficult for non-Jews to understand why many Jews are resistant to that notion deep inside even though many of us are tolerant among non-Jews. And go along to get along for peace.

Let me put it another way:

Just like it's one thing for white people that are of European descent to SAY they understand when black people say they still feel hurt by the "N" word or how blacks are treated and they just want to squash it..it's another thing to truly relate to the pain and hurt black folks feel for what happened and what does still happen. And the truth of the matter is..they (white folks) don't, never have, and never will. Doesn't mean we can't be tolerant of one another though..and I would say from a Jewish perspective we have a much better track record of tolerance of Christians then they have EVER had of us.

I don't mean to be hurtful and I know that's difficult to comprehend in some token because my feelings about Christianity shouldn't be a secret at this point. But a lot of Christians are like.. "I don't get it..why can't we just move past it and be one big happy family" and Jews are like.. "Um..nawl we remember what yall did to us not to mention how you still teach replacement theology which basically means if we don't eventually subscribe to YOUR way...we will be damned!"

Just like certain white folks that are like.. "Slavery is over..you got a black president..why do so many of you all have a chip on your shoulder and are distrustful of us ? You all are just keeping this stuff going!" And it's not as simple as "slavery is over" and a black man is president.

So it's not to cut and dry for some of us Jews as "oh well we all believe in the same god or like it's not for black folks when they hear.. we are all Americans..etc". Because when you forget history..it tends to leave an opening for a repeat.

I'm on the NEVER AGAIN tip! If you don't know what that phrase means to Jews..please look it up. And it's not just about the Shoah...for the record.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Agreed. We all do not believe in the "same" God. Heck, even among CHRISTIANS, there's disagreement as to who "Jesus" actually is/was. I never get the "we all worship the same God" perspective, either.
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