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No. No one Jew can speak for all Jews. No one said that or implied it. All I'm saying is the Jews that practice Judaism do not believe Jesus was a god. So if Christianity teaches he is a god (which it does) he couldn't possibly be OUR god (those of us Jews that practice Judaism). And if you are a Jew (that practices Judaism)..then you know that and I'm not sure why you as a practicing Jew would ever pretend or say other wise unless of course you converted to Christianity or some other religion that recognizes him as god that teaches he was some Jewish rabbi that abolished or disposed of Kashrut Law. And if you did convert to another religion..that's fine. You have a right to choose whichever religion you wish. Doesn't mean suddenly you aren't culturally Jewish if you were born to a Jewish family.

And sure.. I can say who counts as a Jew and who doesn't.. just like you can. According to Halacha we have certain regulations on who is a Jew. And well you say you are Jewish..then you know that so I'm not saying anything that should be new data for you or that should offend you as a Jewish person.

I appreciate you calling me "sister". If you are Jewish, I especially appreciate it. But you as a Jew then you know that saying.. "You get 2 Jews in a room..you got 3 opinions." I'm calm. But surely you can understand my frustration when someone says Jesus taught Kashrut Law is nonsensical. He really didn't do that at all. He never ever disrespected Kashrut Law in any way if those passages are read with understanding. And frankly, that is me actually DEFENDING Jesus and I don't even believe he was a god nor am I Christian.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful (I was just frustrated at what you stated about Kashrut Law) and I do apologize if my tone was improper (I will try to curb it more) toward you in the future. I do respect the opinions of others but I certainly have a right to challenge those opinions if I don't agree with them. My challenge of an opinion doesn't mean I don't respect the rights of another to have them.[/QUOTE]

Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained is Judaism. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with my people's religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
No. No one Jew can speak for all Jews. No one said that or implied it. All I'm saying is the Jews that practice Judaism do not believe Jesus was a god. So if Christianity teaches he is a god (which it does) he couldn't possibly be OUR god (those of us Jews that practice Judaism). And if you are a Jew (that practices Judaism)..then you know that and I'm not sure why you as a practicing Jew would ever pretend or say other wise unless of course you converted to Christianity or some other religion that recognizes him as god that teaches he was some Jewish rabbi that abolished or disposed of Kashrut Law. And if you did convert to another religion..that's fine. You have a right to choose whichever religion you wish. Doesn't mean suddenly you aren't culturally Jewish if you were born to a Jewish family.

And sure.. I can say who counts as a Jew and who doesn't.. just like you can. According to Halacha we have certain regulations on who is a Jew. And well you say you are Jewish..then you know that so I'm not saying anything that should be new data for you or that should offend you as a Jewish person.

I appreciate you calling me "sister". If you are Jewish, I especially appreciate it. But you as a Jew then you know that saying.. "You get 2 Jews in a room..you got 3 opinions." I'm calm. But surely you can understand my frustration when someone says Jesus taught Kashrut Law is nonsensical. He really didn't do that at all. He never ever disrespected Kashrut Law in any way if those passages are read with understanding. And frankly, that is me actually DEFENDING Jesus and I don't even believe he was a god nor am I Christian.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful (I was just frustrated at what you stated about Kashrut Law) and I do apologize if my tone was improper (I will try to curb it more) toward you in the future. I do respect the opinions of others but I certainly have a right to challenge those opinions if I don't agree with them. My challenge of an opinion doesn't mean I don't respect the rights of another to have them.
Originally Posted by shainala
Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not in your response. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. So what? I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained his Judaism throughout his life. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with our religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his (Jewish) community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Go back and read my post. How can you be CHRISTIAN if you are CHRIST? That makes NO SENSE. Its like if there was a man called Jew and he started Judaism, then turn around and say he was Jewish. Christian literally means "One Who Follows Christ". How can someone follow themselves?
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
Oh I read it. I wonder if you comprehend the contradiction of what you wrote though. All you did was prove my point. Using your logic Jesus wasn't a Christian and there is no point in Christianity. And so what was he.. a god ? And if he was a god then he couldn't be Jewish because there is no man-god in Judaism. Period. Never was.. never will be. Why couldn't he follow his own religion ? Moshe was in charge of leading Israel..and he followed Judaism. He was who all of Israel listened to when he said he got the word from the Creator. So sure.. a man can follow his own teachings. Muhammad followed his.. ask your BF about that..

How is he incorrect? So the fact that you're Jewish makes you automatically correct? And since you seem to know so much about Jesus and the New Testement (which you don't follow) then you should know that Jesus and God are one in the same. You cannot (in Christianity) get to God without going through Jesus, which is another entitiy of God. When I do pray, I pray to God. When Muslims pray, they pray to Allah, which is God. The same God that you believe in. And Muslims do believe that Jesus existed, they just believe he was a prophet. Jews don't believe in him at all. Have you been to a Christian church or ceremony?
No. It doesn't make me correct because I'm Jewish. What I'm saying is Christianity teaches that Jesus is god. It also teaches that he was a man. It also teaches that he claimed he was god and man. Judaism doesn't recognize Jesus as our anything. So he can't possible be our "god". It is idolatry for us to accept him as a god.

I didn't make any comments about which god Muslims believe in so..that's pretty much pointless. But I'm fully aware of what they believe about Isa (or as you call him Jesus). They don't believe he was a god now do they ? NOPE.

And yes, I've been to many Christian churches and christian ceremonies during my research. I've also been to a few mosques, sat in on a Wiccan ceremony, as well as other religious services including doing study with Jehovah's Witnesses and I have practiced religious Apologetics for more than 10 years. I minored in Comparative Religion in college. You ever go to any Jewish services or ceremonies ?

I'm done, I believe that all three religions have the same God, simple as that.
Hey you can believe whateve you want..I'm just telling you as someone that practices Judaism and has ALL her life that no.. Jesus is NOT our god. Period. You can like it or not. And your BF can feel whatever way he likes about it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*

Learn to read. I never said Jesus was the Jewish God. Smh. This argument is pointless when people don't read and choose to only get what they want to get. And please don't disrespect my boyfriend. I'm not having that. Thank you and God Bless.
No. No one Jew can speak for all Jews. No one said that or implied it. All I'm saying is the Jews that practice Judaism do not believe Jesus was a god. So if Christianity teaches he is a god (which it does) he couldn't possibly be OUR god (those of us Jews that practice Judaism). And if you are a Jew (that practices Judaism)..then you know that and I'm not sure why you as a practicing Jew would ever pretend or say other wise unless of course you converted to Christianity or some other religion that recognizes him as god that teaches he was some Jewish rabbi that abolished or disposed of Kashrut Law. And if you did convert to another religion..that's fine. You have a right to choose whichever religion you wish. Doesn't mean suddenly you aren't culturally Jewish if you were born to a Jewish family.

And sure.. I can say who counts as a Jew and who doesn't.. just like you can. According to Halacha we have certain regulations on who is a Jew. And well you say you are Jewish..then you know that so I'm not saying anything that should be new data for you or that should offend you as a Jewish person.

I appreciate you calling me "sister". If you are Jewish, I especially appreciate it. But you as a Jew then you know that saying.. "You get 2 Jews in a room..you got 3 opinions." I'm calm. But surely you can understand my frustration when someone says Jesus taught Kashrut Law is nonsensical. He really didn't do that at all. He never ever disrespected Kashrut Law in any way if those passages are read with understanding. And frankly, that is me actually DEFENDING Jesus and I don't even believe he was a god nor am I Christian.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful (I was just frustrated at what you stated about Kashrut Law) and I do apologize if my tone was improper (I will try to curb it more) toward you in the future. I do respect the opinions of others but I certainly have a right to challenge those opinions if I don't agree with them. My challenge of an opinion doesn't mean I don't respect the rights of another to have them.
Originally Posted by shainala
Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not in your response. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. So what? I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained his Judaism throughout his life. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with our religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his (Jewish) community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Originally Posted by shainala
That's what I was trying to say, Jesus was a Jew, therefore he can not be Christian. I never said that he was the Jewish God. And furthermore, Jesus isn't A God. Jesus is part of God. Its not like we worship many Gods, its the same to a lot of Christians. Basically he's a human form of God.

I follow the OT and the NT. I believe in the God in Heaven the same way Jews and Muslims do too. He created the world in 7 days. He created Adam and Eve from Adam's rib. If the three religions didn't have the same God, then their would be no need for the OT in the Christian Bible. Where do you think that Christianity came from? It didn't just poof out of the air. It came from a Jewish man and his followers were called Christians because they followed Christ. Christ can not be a Christian because he isn't a follower of himself. Smh.
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Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained is Judaism. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with my people's religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Originally Posted by shainala
If you say you were born Jewish..um okay. I confirmed that you stated as much. Initially, your stance just didn't seem very Jewish to me is all. It seemed pretty darn Christian until I made mention of what you said about Kashrut Law and then it seemed you tapped danced back and tossed out the "I'm Jewish too" card. But..hey whatever.

I have a background in Comparative Religions and have written several position papers on various religious stances not to mention been involved in many interfaith programs, etc.. so if I come of as authoritative.. it's because I am on some level. Doesn't mean I think I know everything in the world though. I apologized for my tone to you..it's up to you to either accept it or not. I can live with it either way. No shade.
**Raises hand sheepishly**

I'm not a huge fan of religion, but I think I understand what Marah is saying. If Jesus is a form of God, then Jews and Christians cannot worship the same God - because if Jesus was Jewish, he can't be God to them. The only difference between God and a god is that God is THE supreme being, while "a" god is one of many supreme beings. So, if Jesus is the human form of God that would make him a Jewish god.

I also don't think anyone was being disrespected, but obviously we are on the internet and that's open to interpretation.

Last edited by CurlyElectra; 11-21-2011 at 05:38 PM. Reason: Why am I seeing all these typos hella late?
Learn to read. I never said Jesus was the Jewish God. Smh. This argument is pointless when people don't read and choose to only get what they want to get. And please don't disrespect my boyfriend. I'm not having that. Thank you and God Bless.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
LOL.. I can read..maybe you should ask for clarification if you don't get the point. If Jesus is a god, part of a god, or any form of a god.. then he's not the Jewish God. YOU stated that you think all 3 religions have the same god. And if Jesus is part of this god thing you speak of..then he'd have to be included in being the Jewish god. That's common sense. And I'm saying that's false for JEWS. However you choose to see god is your business. And I thought you were done.. guess not.

And give me a break...I'm not dwelling your boyfriend. I have a husband.. a good Jewish one. And we believe the same things religiously. So whatever I choose to say about you or your boyfriend's religious views..it'll just be stated reguardless of what your having. No thanks on the god bless junk cause we don't have the same god. LOL!
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This thread definitely turned into what I hoped it wouldn't. I think discussions where people have different views and opinions can be very healthy, but they can also turn into something very counterproductive if we are not careful. I am not a fan of censorship, but when people begin to take things too personal and launch attacks against others , or become defensive, stop listening, and are only concerned about getting their point across without being respectful of other people then I have to say something about it.

I am glad that we did get to discuss some different views and beliefs within this thread, but it is no longer really about the OP's original post so I will have to ask that it either return to that or we leave the discussion alone.
**Raises hand sheepishly**

I'm not huge of religion, but I think I understand what Marah is saying. If Jesus is a form of God, then Jews and Christians cannot worship the same God - because if Jesus was Jewish, he can't be God to them. The only difference between God and a god is that God is THE supreme being, while "a" god is one of many supreme beings. So, if Jesus is the human form of God that would make him a Jewish god.

I also don't think anyone was being disrespected, but obviously we are on the internet and that's open to interpretation.
Originally Posted by CurlyElectra
This is EXACTLY what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Christians or anyone else cannot believe in whatever god they choose. I'm just saying IN JUDAISM if Jesus is a god or part of a god..then he can't be our god because for us (Jews that practice Judaism) that's idolatry and blasphemy. But we know it's not idolatry and blasphemy for Christians. That's all. And when a Jew (that practices Judaism not some other religion) hears someone implying or suggesting that Jesus is our god too.. well yeah a lot of us tend to get pissy about it.

So yeah I think I have a right and all the authority in the world to convey that much about MY religion. And that's something I'll never make an apology for under ANY circumstances. To do that would be a betrayal to my own people and my religion..and well that ain't happenin'.
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This thread definitely turned into what I hoped it wouldn't. I think discussions where people have different views and opinions can be very healthy, but they can also turn into something very counterproductive if we are not careful. I am not a fan of censorship, but when people begin to take things too personal and launch attacks against others , or become defensive, stop listening, and are only concerned about getting their point across without being respectful of other people then I have to say something about it.

I am glad that we did get to discuss some different views and beliefs within this thread, but it is no longer really about the OP's original post so I will have to ask that it either return to that or we leave the discussion alone.
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Oops.. I didn't see this until AFTER I made my last post. I'm sorry. I'll refrain from any other comments unless it is about 1 Corinthians 11.
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This thread definitely turned into what I hoped it wouldn't. I think discussions where people have different views and opinions can be very healthy, but they can also turn into something very counterproductive if we are not careful. I am not a fan of censorship, but when people begin to take things too personal and launch attacks against others , or become defensive, listening, and are only concerned about getting their point across without being respectful of other people then I have to say something about it.

I am glad that we did get to discuss some different views and beliefs within this thread, but it is no longer really about the OP's original post so I will have to ask that it either return to that or we leave the discussion alone.
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
Oops.. I didn't see this until AFTER I made my last post. I'm sorry. I'll refrain from any other comments unless it is about 1 Corinthians 11.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
You are fine. And I certainly do not mind you sharing facts about your faith because I think we can all learn from one another or at least respect each other even when our faith is different, but I see people are getting genuinely upset or taking things personally when they don't have to.
Learn to read. I never said Jesus was the Jewish God. Smh. This argument is pointless when people don't read and choose to only get what they want to get. And please don't disrespect my boyfriend. I'm not having that. Thank you and God Bless.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
LOL.. I can read..maybe you should ask for clarification if you don't get the point. If Jesus is a god, part of a god, or any form of a god.. then he's not the Jewish God. YOU stated that you think all 3 religions have the same god. And if Jesus is part of this god thing you speak of..then he'd have to be included in being the Jewish god. That's common sense. And I'm saying that's false for JEWS. However you choose to see god is your business. And I thought you were done.. guess not.

And give me a break...I'm not dwelling your boyfriend. I have a husband.. a good Jewish one. And we believe the same things religiously. So whatever I choose to say about you or your boyfriend's religious views..it'll just be stated reguardless of what your having. No thanks on the god bless junk cause we don't have the same god. LOL!
Originally Posted by *Marah*

I'm not playing devil's advocate or anything (or maybe I am), but is there a scripture in the Torah about God walking into the Garden in the cool of day or visiting Jacob in human form?
This thread definitely turned into what I hoped it wouldn't. I think discussions where people have different views and opinions can be very healthy, but they can also turn into something very counterproductive if we are not careful. I am not a fan of censorship, but when people begin to take things too personal and launch attacks against others , or become defensive, stop listening, and are only concerned about getting their point across without being respectful of other people then I have to say something about it.

I am glad that we did get to discuss some different views and beliefs within this thread, but it is no longer really about the OP's original post so I will have to ask that it either return to that or we leave the discussion alone.
Originally Posted by FoxyCleopatraGuide
I just saw this, so I guess my question won't get answered. Yea religion, politics, and intercourse are some touchy subjects.
I'm not one of the mad ones, lol. I love this discussion, and Marah for being open to discuss it. People are entitled to their opinions, conversation is healthy, and we all grow from it. What I have learned is what I already knew, from experience with my husband. The essence of someone's religion is usually is not known by someone who doesn't practice it. My husband had a lot of misconceptions about Christianity and it's principles. I had to explain the Trinity to him. He doesn't believe it, but he respect it and my belief. I could go back and forth, but I'm not here to change anyone's belief. I'd find it safe to say the 97% of Christians believe the it's the same God. Why? Because of what we're taught. The OT is part of Christianity. Those teachings were passed down by man, just like those of Judiasm. That's the beauty of religion. It's about faith. I wholeheartily believe in what I was taught, just as Marah does. Who's to tell either of us that we're wrong? If what I say goes against what she was taught, she doesn't have to believe it. It won't make it any less true, same for me. Last I checked, none of us were alive to say what really happened or not. All we have is what was written and what was taught. I can respect that. But if she really wants to know, she can ask. People thought the world was flat, it was law until someone disproved it. You can't disprove religion.
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Learn to read. I never said Jesus was the Jewish God. Smh. This argument is pointless when people don't read and choose to only get what they want to get. And please don't disrespect my boyfriend. I'm not having that. Thank you and God Bless.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
LOL.. I can read..maybe you should ask for clarification if you don't get the point. If Jesus is a god, part of a god, or any form of a god.. then he's not the Jewish God. YOU stated that you think all 3 religions have the same god. And if Jesus is part of this god thing you speak of..then he'd have to be included in being the Jewish god. That's common sense. And I'm saying that's false for JEWS. However you choose to see god is your business. And I thought you were done.. guess not.

And give me a break...I'm not dwelling your boyfriend. I have a husband.. a good Jewish one. And we believe the same things religiously. So whatever I choose to say about you or your boyfriend's religious views..it'll just be stated reguardless of what your having. No thanks on the god bless junk cause we don't have the same god. LOL!
Originally Posted by *Marah*

I'm not playing devil's advocate or anything (or maybe I am), but is there a scripture in the Torah about God walking into the Garden in the cool of day or visiting Jacob in human form?
Originally Posted by honeysweet20
And I'm not trying to be rude but I did say I was going to only comment on things to do with 1 Corinthians 11 meaning the original topic of this thread. And your question is not that. I think to get into the above would open a whole other can of worms that would cause another train wreck. So I'm sorry I can't answer that in this thread. No disrespect meant. I just don't want another problem in here. Foxy (an NC moderator) has asked us to stay on the OP subject or leave the discussion alone.

Oh.. I just noticed you saw it already. Nevermind then.

Last edited by *Marah*; 11-21-2011 at 07:03 PM.
No. No one Jew can speak for all Jews. No one said that or implied it. All I'm saying is the Jews that practice Judaism do not believe Jesus was a god. So if Christianity teaches he is a god (which it does) he couldn't possibly be OUR god (those of us Jews that practice Judaism). And if you are a Jew (that practices Judaism)..then you know that and I'm not sure why you as a practicing Jew would ever pretend or say other wise unless of course you converted to Christianity or some other religion that recognizes him as god that teaches he was some Jewish rabbi that abolished or disposed of Kashrut Law. And if you did convert to another religion..that's fine. You have a right to choose whichever religion you wish. Doesn't mean suddenly you aren't culturally Jewish if you were born to a Jewish family.

And sure.. I can say who counts as a Jew and who doesn't.. just like you can. According to Halacha we have certain regulations on who is a Jew. And well you say you are Jewish..then you know that so I'm not saying anything that should be new data for you or that should offend you as a Jewish person.

I appreciate you calling me "sister". If you are Jewish, I especially appreciate it. But you as a Jew then you know that saying.. "You get 2 Jews in a room..you got 3 opinions." I'm calm. But surely you can understand my frustration when someone says Jesus taught Kashrut Law is nonsensical. He really didn't do that at all. He never ever disrespected Kashrut Law in any way if those passages are read with understanding. And frankly, that is me actually DEFENDING Jesus and I don't even believe he was a god nor am I Christian.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful (I was just frustrated at what you stated about Kashrut Law) and I do apologize if my tone was improper (I will try to curb it more) toward you in the future. I do respect the opinions of others but I certainly have a right to challenge those opinions if I don't agree with them. My challenge of an opinion doesn't mean I don't respect the rights of another to have them.
Originally Posted by shainala
Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not in your response. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. So what? I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained his Judaism throughout his life. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with our religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his (Jewish) community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Originally Posted by shainala
That's what I was trying to say, Jesus was a Jew, therefore he can not be Christian. I never said that he was the Jewish God. And furthermore, Jesus isn't A God. Jesus is part of God. Its not like we worship many Gods, its the same to a lot of Christians. Basically he's a human form of God.

I follow the OT and the NT. I believe in the God in Heaven the same way Jews and Muslims do too. He created the world in 7 days. He created Adam and Eve from Adam's rib. If the three religions didn't have the same God, then their would be no need for the OT in the Christian Bible. Where do you think that Christianity came from? It didn't just poof out of the air. It came from a Jewish man and his followers were called Christians because they followed Christ. Christ can not be a Christian because he isn't a follower of himself. Smh.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
i'm not trying to join this mess.... but is the catholic church the only one that teaches that jesus was fully divine and fully human? b/c this is the first i've heard someone say the bolded. i thought all the denominations were atleast in agreement about THAT.
i'm not trying to join this mess.... but is the catholic church the only one that teaches that jesus was fully divine and fully human? b/c this is the first i've heard someone say the bolded. i thought all the denominations were atleast in agreement about THAT.
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Sooooooooo back to 1 Corinthians 11 and the original subject of big chopping like Foxy said to do.. LOL!

I wonder how come so many people take that chapter so literal without reading it in context. With all the study Bibles out today and Greek/English dictionaries..one would think otherwise. Even without them though.. Paul does make it clear what his advice is and what he says he got directly from god/Jesus. And well he never says that god, Jesus, says a woman with shorn or shaved hair is something they/he/it (however you look at it) told him was a sin or anything. He even makes it a point to say there is no actual "Law".

So when someone uses that passage to discourage a woman cutting her hair.. it's hard for me to believe they actually read the passage with understanding. And if they did..then they are being pretty darn manipulative about the text and context.
Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained is Judaism. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with my people's religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Originally Posted by shainala
If you say you were born Jewish..um okay. I confirmed that you stated as much. Initially, your stance just didn't seem very Jewish to me is all. It seemed pretty darn Christian until I made mention of what you said about Kashrut Law and then it seemed you tapped danced back and tossed out the "I'm Jewish too" card. But..hey whatever.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
whatever. If you know yiddish, you know my username is a yiddish diminutive for my actual name. I don't need to prove my jewishness to you, and I don't feel the need (every time I stating my opinion) to state my ethnicity of religion.
I differ in opinion from you, and I know a lot of Jews who differ from you, and believe, as I do, that Jews, Christians, Muslims and a whole host of other monotheistic traditions all honor the same God.
You don't speak for all of us and your words before I started responding to you on this board gave the unfortunate impression that you were speaking for all of Jews. Now that it's obvious that you don't you call my Jewish bona fides into question.
pretty lame.
[QUOTE=shainala;1821458]
Somehow it's hard to take your words sincerely when you are still calling into question whether I am Jewish or not. I'm Jewish, I was born Jewish, I was raised Jewish. I'm saying that according to the historical record it appears Jesus was also born to a Jewish mother and father and maintained is Judaism. I don't think saying Jesus was a Jew conflicts with my people's religious conviction that he was not the Messiah. He had a following, that much is clear, and he was revered as a religious teacher within his community.
I also don't think I have all the answers or that anyone does. I guess i was objecting to the feeling I as getting from your various posts that you see yourself as THE authority. I think there is lot about our religion and all the Abrahamic traditions that is unknowable and that it is necessary to accept that no one has all the answers when entering into a religious discussion.
Who was this man who told the author of the article that she shouldn't cut her hair? Just a man. Who was he to judge?
Originally Posted by shainala
If you say you were born Jewish..um okay. I confirmed that you stated as much. Initially, your stance just didn't seem very Jewish to me is all. It seemed pretty darn Christian until I made mention of what you said about Kashrut Law and then it seemed you tapped danced back and tossed out the "I'm Jewish too" card. But..hey whatever.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
whatever. If you know yiddish, you know my username is a yiddish diminutive for my actual name. I don't need to prove my jewishness to you, and I don't feel the need (every time I stating my opinion) to state my ethnicity of religion.
I differ in opinion from you, and I know a lot of Jews who differ from you, and believe, as I do, that Jews, Christians, Muslims and a whole host of other monotheistic traditions all honor the same God.
You don't speak for all of us and your words before I started responding to you on this board gave the unfortunate impression that you were speaking for all of Jews. Now that it's obvious that you don't you call my Jewish bona fides into question.
pretty lame.

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