Is Big Chopping Against The Bible?

Like Tree155Likes

Read this post on CN yesterday and it's really got me thinking. Not sure where I stand. What do you all think?

Big Chopping and the Bible | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Curly Hair Care
I cannot.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds

-Albert Einstein
Discounts:iHerb: EZA283 for $5 off!, OCO522 for $10 off first purchase | Komaza Care Referral Code: J5Q362VG
Honestly, I think people can find pretty much anything in the bible to interpret in a way that will best fit their own personal beliefs. That's one of the many reasons that I stepped away from religion many years ago, and happily never looked back. I personally don't believe in the bible, so what that man said would not give me pause in any way. However, if someone does believe, I think they should do what feels right in their heart and based on their own personal relationship with their higher power. Not based on someone else's interpretation of some random scripture.
I heard a Bible teacher explain this once. He said that it was a cultural thing at that time for prostitutes to have shaven heads....it distinguished them from everyone else. The length of your hair has nothing to do with your standing in God....and the hair being your glory simply meant it was beautiful to look at. I think that it is sickening how people have taken scripture out of context and created denominations that keep people in bondage to fear and distrust of a loving God.
PJ Rehab 9/2011
Honestly, I think people can find pretty much anything in the bible to interpret in a way that will best fit their own personal beliefs. That's one of the many reasons that I stepped away from religion many years ago, and happily never looked back. I personally don't believe in the bible, so what that man said would not give me pause in any way. However, if someone does believe, I think they should do what feels right in their heart and based on their own personal relationship with their higher power. Not based on someone else's interpretation of some random scripture.
Originally Posted by Yltnelis
I agree the bible can be interpreted in many ways. From my understanding there is a HUGE difference in cutting your hair and attempting to have an appearance of a man (which is supposed to be a no no). This reason is usually is why woman are told not to wear pants. But if it has to do with a woman working as a prostitute it may also be related to the "critters" that many prostitutes may have lived with due to the encounters they had with many people. Just like how people used to shave their heads and wear wigs because of "critters".

I personally believe that a look has nothing to do with the virtue of a person. Religion many times is used by people as a way to control and manipulate others, instead of being inspiring and freeing (the way I think it should be).
Why didn't the article (or post) quote the scripture? I hate it when people do that.

Did the poster even bother picking up her Bible to read the passage for herself? I mean it's her head and she obviously doesn't take it to heart if she plans on big chopping again. So what difference does it make.

I think i need a nap. I'm cranky.
Ninjarette likes this.
“Mama says pretty comes in all different sizes. And my size… is cute!” -Honey Boo Boo
no shade, but i don't really care. for one, i'm not really a christian. for two, when i did consider myself a christian, i still didnt believe that the bible was meant to be taken as literaly as some ppl take it these days (my HS religion teachers actually told me this). i feel like a lot of these laws were made up more for evolutionary/physical/social survival reasons than because the Lord really frowns upon them. it seems like it would be easier to get ppl to listen to you if you say "God doesn't want you to fornicate or commit adultery, and you'll go to hell if you do" than if you say "Hey men, you shouldn't go sleeping around all willy nilly b/c you'll end up with babies all over the place that you can't keep track of, therefore you really won't know who is a part of your bloodline... which is bad" and " Women, you shouldnt go sleeping around either b/c men most likely wont claim you and your child, and at this point, women and children are still pretty dependent on men to survive"

i'm not saying that there aren't "sins" that are really morally/ethically wrong (adultery is wrong b/c you're actions are ultimately hurting someone in the process), but some of them are more about survival than morality (you really aren't hurting anyone by fornicating).

you know the deal... i ramble. hope you got something from that.

ETA: for three, even if it does go against the bible, ppl cherry pick from the bible all the time, so... eh.
Read this post on CN yesterday and it's really got me thinking. Not sure where I stand. What do you all think?

Big Chopping and the Bible | Curly Nikki | Natural Hair Styles and Curly Hair Care
Originally Posted by Precious Curls

Oy vey. Frankly, that particular verse in the New Testament Bible doesn't apply to me. I'm Jewish and the NT is irrelevant to my own life..but I have extensively studied the NT, Christianity, and Paul.

Anyhoo..This whole issue is based on 1 Corinthians 11. I would have to go into a bunch of nauseating detail to really flesh it out for you. But the bottom line is Paul is talking about the supposed order under God. God being the top, the husband being the second, the wife being under her husband and God.

Paul gives the advice that if the woman doesn't cover her head while she is praying or prophesying it is a disgrace because she's not showing the proper order of things. It's a sign of disrespect. In those days.. normally most men wore their hair short and woman grew their hair long and wore veils if they weren't with their spouse. It's was normally harlots that cut their hair short.

So Paul is basically saying if the wife is not going to cover her head to show the proper order of things in during prayer and prophecy... she might as well go all out and shave her darn hair all off or cut it super short like a man would. Because she'd be "out of order" anyway by not showing propriety during prayer and prophesy.

Notice though in verse 16 of the text Paul says that if any man is contentious about what he's saying..recognize there is no actual LAW. They use the word "custom" in English taken from some Greek words that mean a certain thing to Paul. Paul was for all intents and purposes a Jewish man and he thought more from a Hebraic perspective. So he uses the the term in a certain way when he uses it.

So I would venture to say the understanding is he's saying there is no actual Jewish Halacha (law or Jewish codeified prohibition) against it. He's simply making guidelines concerning propriety for the church community that he's trying to establish to keep order. He's not saying a woman MUST do as he says..he's basically saying, "If any of ya'll wanna catch an attitude about what I'm saying about propriety then do you cause what I'm saying isn't law anyway..I'm just trying to get yall to see order!"

You have to realize that Paul gives a lot of what he feels are useful and helpful guidelines to the people he's build up. So that when he leaves they won't revert back to their old ways of impropriety. Keep in mind the letter is to people in Corinth which was in Greece. These people were formerly pagans. So he's trying to get them to be "holy". Some of what he says is not always what he has gotten from his revelation from Jesus Christ or god. It's just his own advice.

So it's important to denote that Paul makes distinctions about what are his own ideas and what has been revealed to him through the word of Jesus Christ or god.

Unfortunately, many of Paul's epistles have been used in Christianity to brow beat the hell out of women into being "submissive" to their husband and other men. Paul's words have been distorted to base all sorts of nonsensical beliefs on that have been one of which I consider primary in the many errors in mainstream Christianity.

But I assure you there is no admonisment from Paul or any other apostle or Jesus Christ that a woman that has chemically relaxed or altered her hair can't cut or shave that part or all of it off to grow back her hair to a healthy and natural state. Heck.. I would think Paul would be glad of it.. a woman getting back to originally what god made her.. nu ?
FoxyGuide
Guest
Posts: n/a
There are certain things in the Bible that were meant to address a certain church or certain group of people at the time. If Big Chopping is against the Bible then so is wearing pants, or makeup if people want to be anal. I am a Christian and I know that people pick and choose certain verses, remove them from context, and use them to try to control or condemn others which I don't buy into.

I won't go any deeper into it, I have no real desire to, but I do know that no woman is going to burn in hell because she BC'd.
My roommate in college belonged to a church that didn't believe in women wearing pants, cutting their hair or wearing makeup. She wore long skirts but she kept right on getting hair cuts and wearing makeup because she said she looked all through the Bible and didn't find one single passage against it. Personally I think those things are not Biblical teachings but religious doctrine made up by people who are counting on other people taking their word for it instead of taking the time to look it up themselves. Usually it's men trying to control women. As soon as they started teaching that submission stuff in church, I figured I would probably never get married cuz that's just not me.
You mentioned there was no scripture quoted. I saw a passage in the Bible that said to be a leader in the church a man must have only one wife so I wonder how the FLDS men talk their way out of that one?
I heard a Bible teacher explain this once. He said that it was a cultural thing at that time for prostitutes to have shaven heads....it distinguished them from everyone else. The length of your hair has nothing to do with your standing in God....and the hair being your glory simply meant it was beautiful to look at. I think that it is sickening how people have taken scripture out of context and created denominations that keep people in bondage to fear and distrust of a loving God.
Originally Posted by twirlygranny
see! that's what i mean!
You mentioned there was no scripture quoted. I saw a passage in the Bible that said to be a leader in the church a man must have only one wife so I wonder how the FLDS men talk their way out of that one?
Originally Posted by adthomas
By doing the same nonsense others do..twist "Scripture" and create doctrine.. but they use the "Old Testament" to justify their tom foolery with several wives.

The Scripture that is reference about woman's hair is 1 Corinthians 11. I stated that in my earlier post..if you'd like to read the text for yourself.
Anyone that will compare a "BC" to the fictional book of the "bible" REALLY needs to examine their mental health? Really though? C'mon SON!






OP, if you're not sure where you stand, I suggest you do some personal bible study and gain insight that way.

Also, I sincerely hope this doesn't turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread....which from OT experience (off-topic, not old testament) is what usually happens.

*sigh*
KurlyKorean and NYCityKurl like this.
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture
OP, if you're not sure where you stand, I suggest you do some personal bible study and gain insight that way.

Also, I sincerely hope this doesn't turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread....which from OT experience (off-topic, not old testament) is what usually happens.

*sigh*
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
That's the best thing to do.. like Hillel said.. "Go and Study!" LOL!

I know you are a Christian, Nia and I respect you. I did make an effort not to bash Christianity in my posts. To me, it's basically other men over time that have distorted what Paul was trying to convey and it's lead to oppression of women and others in Christianity. No offense. Basically they used his words to work that which is unseemly..if you get my drift.
OP, if you're not sure where you stand, I suggest you do some personal bible study and gain insight that way.

Also, I sincerely hope this doesn't turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread....which from OT experience (off-topic, not old testament) is what usually happens.

*sigh*
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
That's the best thing to do.. like Hillel said.. "Go and Study!" LOL!

I know you are a Christian, Nia and I respect you. I did make an effort not to bash Christianity in my posts. To me, it's basically other men over time that have distorted what Paul was trying to convey and it's lead to oppression of women and others in Christianity. No offense. Basically they used his words to work that which is unseemly..if you get my drift.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
No, I didn't take your post as "bashing". You have a vast knowledge of Christian doctrine, as a Jew. I respect that.

But see, I never understand why people seek guidance on CHRISTIAN principles from the masses...comprised primarily of folks who don't believe...that makes no sense to me.

So, questions like these often never get a biblical/scholarly answer...it just ends being, "Christianity is stupid", "I don't believe in the bible",
"It's all foolishness", etc. Okay. But guess what? That's not what was asked.

The OP never gets what they came for...and again, I question why they came for it, in the first place. Study the bible for yourself. Nothing wrong with asking questions, but consider your audience, if you really want a biblical perspective.
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture

Last edited by Ninjarette; 11-17-2011 at 09:16 PM.
PRecious Curls, why aren't you sure where you stand?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds

-Albert Einstein
Discounts:iHerb: EZA283 for $5 off!, OCO522 for $10 off first purchase | Komaza Care Referral Code: J5Q362VG
OP, if you're not sure where you stand, I suggest you do some personal bible study and gain insight that way.

Also, I sincerely hope this doesn't turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread....which from OT experience (off-topic, not old testament) is what usually happens.

*sigh*
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
That's the best thing to do.. like Hillel said.. "Go and Study!" LOL!

I know you are a Christian, Nia and I respect you. I did make an effort not to bash Christianity in my posts. To me, it's basically other men over time that have distorted what Paul was trying to convey and it's lead to oppression of women and others in Christianity. No offense. Basically they used his words to work that which is unseemly..if you get my drift.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
No, I didn't take your post as "bashing". You have a vast knowledge of Christian doctrine, as a Jew. I respect that.

But see, I never understand why people seek guidance on CHRISTIAN principles from the masses...comprised primarily of folks who don't believe...that makes no sense to me.

So, questions like these often never get a biblical/scholarly answer...it just ends being, "Christianity is stupid", "I don't believe in the bible",
"It's all foolishness", etc. Okay. But guess what? That's not what was asked.

The OP never gets what they came for...and again, I question why they came for it, in the first place. Study the bible for yourself.
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
Stating that one does not believe in the bible is not the same as Christianity bashing. Also, I did not get the impression that the OP was strictly looking for a biblical/scholarly answer, as she did not ask to hear only from Christians or scholars of the bible. She asked "What do you all think?" Which led to responses from Christians and non-Christians alike. Perhaps she posed the question in such an open-ended manner in order to obtain different points of view.
No, I didn't take your post as "bashing". You have a vast knowledge of Christian doctrine, as a Jew. I respect that.

But see, I never understand why people seek guidance on CHRISTIAN principles from the masses...comprised primarily of folks who don't believe...that makes no sense to me.

So, questions like these often never get a biblical/scholarly answer...it just ends being, "Christianity is stupid", "I don't believe in the bible",
"It's all foolishness", etc. Okay. But guess what? That's not what was asked.

The OP never gets what they came for...and again, I question why they came for it, in the first place. Study the bible for yourself. Nothing wrong with asking questions, but consider your audience, if you really want a biblical perspective.
Originally Posted by Ninjarette
Well I certainly cannot give a valid arguement against what you've stated above. Given, I did make an effort to expound on the topic as briefly as I could here from a perspective based on the New Testament writings. That's why I gave the text reference in hopes the OP and others would go an read it if they desired.

I love discussing religion and I didn't want to come in and just be like..."Christianity is stupid" and that's it. I wanted to try to give some background on Paul, the times, the custom, and the fact that many men after Paul's time have made his epistles into something they just aren't. Not to mention it's not always as cut and dry as the English translation of the text makes it seem. It's difficult to do that briefly..and especially in this setting because frankly it's a hair board..LOL!
aishasoleil likes this.

Last edited by *Marah*; 11-17-2011 at 09:29 PM.

Stating that one does not believe in the bible is not the same as Christianity bashing. Also, I did not get the impression that the OP was strictly looking for a biblical/scholarly answer, as she did not ask to hear only from Christians or scholars of the bible. She asked "What do you all think?" Which led to responses from Christians and non-Christians alike. Perhaps she posed the question in such an open-ended manner in order to obtain different points of view.
Originally Posted by Yltnelis
I never said that not believing in the bible is "bashing" Christianity. I said I HOPE this thread doesnt' turn into a "Christianity bashing" thread.

It's one thing to say "I'm not a Christian", and another to say, "Christianity and the bible are hogwash!". The latter is bashing.

What generally happens, when non-Christians (and even Christians) share, they never truly answer the question. They go around it, or give a general, "The bible can be misinterpreted", "People take the bible literally" type answer. We all know the bible is misquoted, misunderstood, taken literally when it shouldn't be, etc.

The OP sounds like a Christian, who wants an understanding to help her with developing her own convictions about the teaching. In other words, the bible's position seems to matter to her, whether or not it matters to someone else.

Marah answered the question - by providing a history on the doctrine, as someone who has studied Christian doctrine. She's a Jew. So, obviously I'm not saying non-Christians shouldn't comment. I don't tell people to comment/not comment in threads.
aishasoleil likes this.
Platinum Product Junkies
The Facebook
| The Twitter

The Product Lines:
Curl Junkie, b.a.s.k, Siamese Twists, Bobeam, Uncle Funky's Daughter, Amazing Botanicals, Zuresh, Dabur Vatika, Karen's Body Beautiful, Curls Unleased, Broo, Qhemet Biologics, Signature Texture, Darcy's Botanicals, Shea Moisture

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com